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Tue May-18-10 01:06 PM
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Andrea Mitchell keeps asking why Obama isn't in Pennsylvania |
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The answer is simple. There is very little overlap in Specter supporters and Obama supporters. Sure, people would turn out for an Obama rally, but they'd turn right around and vote for Sestak. Obama and the democrats are only supporting Specter because he did do them a big favor with his votes, but I think everyone including Obama would be pleased if a real democrat won (Sestak).
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Captain Hilts
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Tue May-18-10 01:07 PM
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1. But VA and NJ also showed they would just stay home. nt |
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Tue May-18-10 01:16 PM
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10. He came to NJ and did a large event in Holmdel |
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Very, very good. It is too bad the governor did not use the themes Obama did, but instead ran a nasty demoralizing campaign.
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Tue May-18-10 01:18 PM
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12. For whatever reasons, voters stayed home in both races. |
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Tue May-18-10 01:29 PM
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18. Exactly - Corzine was very unpopular - Codey could have won |
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Tue May-18-10 01:07 PM
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Obama wants Specter. He's a close buddy of Biden, and he's a confirmed, demonstrated centrist, just like Obama likes. He didn't have to campaign nearly as much as he did for Specter. He definitely didn't have to bring OFA into the mix. He did because he wants him.
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apples and oranges
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Tue May-18-10 01:09 PM
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5. I don't think so. Specter is old and set in his ways |
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Friends or not, I'm pretty sure they want Sestak, or they would have done some last minute rallies.
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Tue May-18-10 01:15 PM
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If they wanted Sestak, they wouldn't have fired up OFA. They wouldn't have shown up either. They'd a helped him raise money, and they'd worked the phones to try to avoid a primary challenger. But they did much more than that. They actually put their boots on the ground, they had OFA sending out messages to people not even in PA. They did robo calls. And there was probably other things of which we do not yet even know.
They pulled out in the last week because they didn't want to be associated with another loser.
Sorry, Specter is the kinda guy Obama likes.
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Tue May-18-10 01:19 PM
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16. Sadly, I agree - the prez likes Republidems. nt |
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Tue May-18-10 01:09 PM
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3. imo he doesn't want to be associated with the loss he sees coming... |
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Mitchell was tough on Sestak a while ago but he held his own.
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Tue May-18-10 01:13 PM
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7. And I believe that's Mitchell's motivation for asking, she wants to tie Obama to a loss in order |
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to personalize the race instead of allowing the decision to stand on it's own merits and to weaken Obama should it happen, making it easier for a Republican to win in 2012.
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Tue May-18-10 01:18 PM
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13. Yeah, she's not even close to being an impartial journalist. nt |
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Tue May-18-10 01:39 PM
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22. I believe that's endemic to the institution, from my observations, the last thing the |
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corporate media want are for American Elections to be decided on the issues instead of the personalties or horse race aspects.
That's because the corporate media has far more power regarding their own influence when personalities or horse race aspects are involved over issues.
They can camouflage a candidate's shortcomings, and demonize, a superior candidate with ease by using their one way top down corporate owned and subsidized megaphones, however issues are more complex, although that doesn't stop the corporate media from trying to obfuscate or ignore those as well.
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Tue May-18-10 01:09 PM
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4. Andrea should understand that historically presidents have used little political capital |
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on primaries. They prefer to such a valuable commodity only when it gets, which is in the real election.
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Tue May-18-10 01:15 PM
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9. Which is how ya know he really wanted Specter |
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No way he does this for anyone he doesn't want, and ain't Biden's buddy.
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Tue May-18-10 01:11 PM
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6. Obama is hedging his bet. |
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He's got to "officially" support the incumbent Dem - Specter - but needs to be able to throw his weight behind the winner of the primary, no matter who it is.
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Tue May-18-10 01:30 PM
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19. He does not have to do anything in a primary, unless he WANTS to |
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He wanted Specter to win. Presidents normally stay out of primaries, unless they want something.
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Tue May-18-10 01:17 PM
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Would not have put out feelers to how to get Sestak to not challenge Arlen if they were ambivalent of the primary result.
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Tue May-18-10 01:19 PM
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14. it's fucking easy, andrea, he's in youngstown ohio |
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Tue May-18-10 01:19 PM
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15. Actually, Specter is very popular in Philadelphia with Obama supporters. |
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African American voters, in particular, are expected to turn out heavily for Specter.
The real reason may be that with issues like the oil spill, now may not be the best time for the President to be seen politicking. Besides, Philadelphia elections run more on street money anyway.
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Tue May-18-10 01:29 PM
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17. I disagree. I think Obama and everyone in the WH wanted |
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and expected Specter to win. He is after all, far closer to them on the issues, being center right.
Now, they see the possibility of a Sestak win and don't want to damage the president's image by having him be seen backing a loser.
Sestak is the obvious choice for democrats, his voting record on important issues is far more Democratic than Specter's.
But the party backs Blanche Lincoln and Specter and any other right leaning 'democrats' they find.
It was a big mistake for Obama to support anyone in the primary season. Presidents should remain neutral in those races. But they WANTED Specter, just as they WANTED Liebermann.
Please don't try to soften the fact that this WH supported two rightwingers when they could have remained silent with no political consequences.
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Tue May-18-10 01:31 PM
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20. Mrs. Greenspan wants The President to run down there and save Specter's ass? |
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sigh. I guess he's obligated, and he certainly has done nothing for DEMOCRAT Joe Sestak. Is he hiding? Or did he just lose interest because it looks like Specter is a big fat Leeeeoooooser?
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Tue May-18-10 01:33 PM
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21. Andrea Mitchell and Wolf Blitzer |
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These are two who like to instigate situations that will provide toxic results. Wolf did it all through the Haiti disaster wondering if the people were being violent as they fled for their lives. Andrea can never see the glass as being full. It is always half empty and will not fill until there is some chaos to tip it off.
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