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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:11 PM
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The Democratic memos from 2003 that defined party "activists" negatively...
They are the memos that I think have been part of conditioning the leaders of the Democratic Party to view the liberals, activists, the left...whatever the name...with skepticism.

I believe they came about because someone questioned the leadership of the think tank leaders who wrote the memos. Those policy setters felt threatened in 2003, and they did what they had to do to hold their power over policy.

First the Memos by the DLC leaders.

The first one came in May 2003, not long after Howard Dean reiterated Wellstone's words about the group wanting the party to be kinder and gentler Republicans. They not only attacked him, they went after his supporters.

The Real Soul of the Democratic Party

By Al From and Bruce Reed.

Not only is the activist wing out of line with Democratic tradition, but it is badly out of touch with the Democratic rank-and-file. In 1996, a survey by the Washington Post compared the views of delegates to the Democratic convention to those of registered Democratic voters. The delegates perfectly mirrored the Democratic electorate in terms of race, ethnicity, and gender. But they could not have been more different when it came to class and education. Democratic delegates were nearly five times more likely than Democratic rank-and-file to have incomes over $75,000, three times more likely to have a college degree, and over four times more likely to have done postgraduate work. No wonder that when the New Yorker recently asked Karl Rove to describe the Democratic base, he said, "somebody with a doctorate."


Comparing the convention delegates to the rank and file of the party....a very strange thing to do. Even stranger is to point out the degrees and salaries of the delegates. Very odd thing to do.

Unlike Gov. Howard Dean, we never forget to give the late Sen. Paul Wellstone credit for coining the phrase, "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." We often disagreed with Sen. Wellstone on the issues, but we always knew he was fighting for the little guy.

But the great myth of the current cycle is the misguided notion that the hopes and dreams of activists represent the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. Real Democrats are real people, not activist elites. The mission of the Democratic Party, as Bill Clinton pledged in 1992, is to provide "real answers to the real problems of real people." Real Democrats who champion the mainstream values, national pride, and economic aspirations of middle-class and working people are the real soul of the Democratic Party, not activists and interest groups with narrow agendas.


They coined the term "interest groups" and said we had narrow agendas.

This next part is really quite insulting. However the party leaders in DC and many states totally accepted the premise about those at the lower levels of the party.

Clinton understood what too many others are prone to forget: most Democrats are doers, not ideologues. They don't vote to make a statement; they vote in hopes of getting things done. They want social progress, but they're not on a social crusade. Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else; they are everyone else. They don't swoon when they hear a candidate say it's time for Democrats to dream again. What they want is the American Dream, where everybody who works hard and plays by the rules has the chance to get ahead.


Elitists? Swoon? Social crusade?

The next memo came in July 2003:

It was by the same two fellows who wrote the first.

Activists are out of step

They had to do this they thought because the party activism and excitement was growing because of the anger over the Iraq invasion.

Most of those party activists the candidates are trying so hard to please are wildly out of touch not only with middle America but with the Democratic rank and file. The great myth of the campaign is the misguided notion that the hopes and dreams of party activists and single-issue groups represent the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. They don't.

The fact is, "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," as former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean likes to call it, is an aberration, a modern-day version of the old McGovern wing of the party, defined principally by weakness abroad and elitist interest-group liberalism at home.
That wing lost the party 49 states in two elections and turned a powerful national organization into a much weaker, regional one.


When you are an aberration, then people don't have to take you seriously. The choice of words against activists were amazingly insulting.

When Dean dropped out of the race he wrote some scathing things about the way this group was hurting the party. It did not go over very well. Just an example:

Dean: "They turned their back on their core constituencies, in some cases under the guise of being "New Democrats." In fact, they relabeled their "core constituences" as "special interest groups," whose influence, they tried to tell the public, had to be avoided like the plague."

He refers to this quote from Time Magazine in 1995 in which Al From told Time that "a long-term majority will never be created around the interests represented by Jesse (Jackson) and the labor unions".

Dean further states that "the real problem, of course, is that Jesse Jackson and the labor unions form the core of the people who traditionally have elected Democrats. It is not an accident that members of labor unions and African-American voters became less interested in the Democratic Party as we crept to the right......we began to lose elections up and down the ballot with increasing regularity." END SNIP

From You Have the Power, pp. 63, 64.


There was an article in Alternet in 2004 which pretty well sums up the campaign.

The DLC reacted with fury to the Dean candidacy, going all out to torpedo his momentum. Although Democratic nominees soon piled on the "bash-Dean" bandwagon, earlier attacks were carried out by DLC operatives. There was even the smell of scandal when two top Democratic candidates were found sharing information about Dean in an attempt to slow him down.

This is where Dean lost a crucial ally -- the mainstream media also joined in on the anti-Dean feeding frenzy. In his early days, he had flayed big media for caving in to George Bush on Iraq, and media giants never forgave him for this. In the same week, Time and Newsweek ran "Who is the Real Howard Dean?" stories. One cover showed a face covered in dark shadows, another showed an incomplete jigsaw puzzle! Semioticians take note -- bad guys in westerns always have their faces obscured in shadows!

In the end, Dean threatened a troika of powerful institutions. He was a threat to the political parties (because he attacked Democrats' centrist drift), to media (because he criticized their cowardly reporting) and to big business (because he would roll back chummy tax-benefits for corporations). All three institutions responded with venom and destroyed Dean's candidacy. In 1968, a bullet ended Robert Kennedy's anti-establishment candidacy. In 2004, the methods used were more subtle, but just as effective.

The Assassination of Howard Dean


It disturbed the DLC think tank even more when Dean became chairman. His goal was to build activism, to build the party from the ground up. That was not what this group wanted.

The essence of Dean's goals

Critics like to say Dean's 50-state strategy will "destroy the Democratic party" and claim there "is no Democratic establishment." Both claims are specious. There are in fact two parties, one composed of activists who believe in what the party is all about, the other consisting of professionals who say they are trying to implement that vision.

Once people cross the line from just complaining (as bloggers often do) to getting in the line and working (which Dean wants people to do) these lines start to blur a bit. Those who were just complaining start to see the problems more clearly. They may find themselves fighting corporate interests within the party, even waging primary fights, but their involvement is what makes the party go.

.."Dean's 50-state strategy is designed to create activists. It's designed to turn bloggers into activists, to turn people concerned with just local issues into activists, and to connect all these people to the top reaches of the party through the Internet and a self-sustaining pyramid of bloggers acting as a "jungle telegraph" between the bottom and the top.


The activists banding together are starting to have some wins. Not a lot yet, but now and then.

Al From continued the assault on activists after the November 2006 wins. He knew things were still not going his way.

He used the terms "bend knee to noisy activists.". So very insulting.

There's a perception in some media and political circles that Democratic White House wannabes, like their Republican counterparts, must systematically bend the knee to ideologically inflexible and noisy party activists to have any prayer of nomination or election.

Democrats must adopt a centrist course


I believe that is why it is so hard to get leadership to take activists seriously. They have used the terms against us for years, and I am quite sure the leaders of the party have absorbed them well.


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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:17 PM
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1. What is so ironic is when a Dem wants to win he/she calls on activists to help out
Edited on Tue May-18-10 11:17 PM by county worker
because they know damn well that the rank and file Dem only gets involved on election day.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:22 PM
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2. Bruce Reed's son Chad was one of the biggest Dean haters around here during the 2003/04 primaries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=909472

There's a guy here now who reminds me a lot of Chad. Uses the same avatar too. Hmmmmm......

WWCGD ;)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:37 PM
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5. Ah yes, I remember those posts.
:hi:

Unpleasant times here then.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:25 PM
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3. Dean's support was a mile deep and an inch wide
He had great appeal among a segment of the Democratic base: educated, well to do, younger white people. That's all fine and good, but he had very little appeal to blacks, Hispanics, Southerners and working class whites. Obama followed and perfected much of the Howard Dean campaign model, but was better disciplined and had more appeal to more groups of Democratic voters.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:36 PM
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4. Beg To Differ
Dean's 50 state strategy was brilliant and won us elections though DLCers like Rahm, Carville and Schumer tried to claim credit. I think Obama owes him big thanks,never delivered, because what Dean did helped him to won.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:12 PM
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16. George W. Bush and the rubber stamp Congress was the key to the 50 State Strategy. nt
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:50 PM
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49. I think you're both right. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:47 PM
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6. Those groups you mention did not care for Dean's social liberalism.
He stood up for gays and women's rights. The groups you mention do not embrace such rights as a rule.

Obama has learned well, and now no progress is made in those areas.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:19 PM
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18. This might surprise you:
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:26 PM
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19. This "working class white" person supported him
and I still do. In fact, many in our Dean For America group were "working class whites."
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HillGal Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:03 PM
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55. We had a small local group at the time called "Keen for Dean" and we were all working class. NT
NT
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:27 PM
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20. Obama bears no similarity to Dean. Obama doesn't stand up for anything.
Dean does. Frankly, I prefer Howard Dean to Obama any day.

The press and the DLC did Dean in. The press and the DLC have the money.

The DLC goes to big corporations and begs for just a few crumbs of donations. Out of pity and to prevent the Democratic activists from getting anywhere, big corporations like BP give a small portion of their money to the DLCers and huge amounts of it to the Republicans. By taking money from the big corporations and not fighting with the so-called "left," the DLC helps Republicans get elected.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 04:32 PM
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26. The difference between Obama and Dean was that Obama effectively melded
--Dean's internet strategy with a good ground game. Dean lost in Iowa because Kerry was the one with the ground game oriented toward the people who mattered--native Iowan caucus attendees. Obama combined Dean's internet advantage with Kerry's ground advantage and scored big.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 05:14 PM
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27. The difference between Obama and Dean...
...was funding from Wall Street and the Health Insurance Industry.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 05:46 PM
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28. That, too. My point was that the internet pioneering of Dean was only half a strategy n/t
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:47 PM
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41. Maybe that is part of his genius, Obama took Dean's internet grass roots strategies
and coupled it with traditional republican money sources.

Plus the incredibly large numbers of those lefty activists working for peanuts, which also acted as a money multiplier (less money needed to get a much larger "market penetration" than the traditional McCain BS machine was operating under).

Whether I like or not with Obama's policies, I can't give credit where credit is due and recognize that was a very smart approach to campaigning.
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merkins Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 07:57 PM
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36. Obama is Top Recipient of Political Cash from BP, Goldman Sachs, Defense Contractors, Pharma
K&R
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:57 PM
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45. Obama is the top recipient of cash from EVERYONE, the whole world loved him.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:50 PM
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42. Agree . . . 1000%
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 06:05 PM
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30. It's easy to appeal to a broad swath of the population when you don't actually stand for anything.
And that's Obama's appeal: be as inoffensive as possible to as many
people as possible (well, except for the left because of the "What will
they do, vote for Palin?" theory).

Tesha
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:59 PM
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7. I regret I have only 1 rec to give. nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:26 AM
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8. They were afraid of the way Dean used the internet.
I remember before 2004 people were desperate to get the Dems to DO SOMETHING. Bush and the right were running all over them. I think that's when many people found the online forums. At first people were so enthusiastic, I don't remember any split on the left, the vitriol then was always from the right.

After the 2004 elections, things online began to change. I started seeing Democrats repeating talking points, many of them I see in your OP. It was hard to believe at first. Democrats who were spouting anti-liberal diatribes, and blog owners who were encouraging it, on progressive blogs.

I think now that the DLC realized the potential and started sending out operatives to slam the 'left' online. So much time was wasted on these blog wars. But I do remember seeing taling points that could have come right from those memos 'single issue voters' etc. Demeaning comments even worse than I had experienced from the right sometimes.

I hope tonight they realized that the left has power. Throwing out Specter, and hopefully in the run-off one of their favorites, Blanche Lincoln. Hopefully Marcy Winograd will eliminate another DLC favorite, Jane Harman. Now we are all wiser. We know what they think of the base of the party. No more donations to the DNC so that the DLC can choose the candidates.

Thank you for the exposure. It is unbelievable but it helps explain a lot. Their operatives are easily recognizable now and as a result, any power they have had is diminished.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 08:29 AM
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10. Talking points that have "come right from those memos"
Exactly right. That is where the talking points even now come from. If not the memos, the mindset at the think tank.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 03:30 AM
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9. Wolves in sheep's clothing
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 08:40 AM
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12. Exactly right.
Pretending to be something else, even taking the language of "liberals", the Left, as their own...pretending to be what they are not.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:54 PM
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50. what may be happening
The faction controlling the party may be remaking the Democratic party as the main conservative party in the country - an improved and more effective version of the Republican party. More modern, smarter, more efficient, more effective at advancing the needs and desires of the wealthy, and the corporations. We can see that there is less and less room over on the right for the Republicans to stand on, less and less ways for then to differentiate themselves from the Democrats, so they are becoming more and more extreme and bizarre. The Democrats have stolen their agenda, the heart of their agenda without the wacky fringe - which is exactly what the DLC leadership said they were going to do.

However, until the Republican party is completely dead, the Democratic party leadership still needs support, votes, and money the old traditional base of the Democratic party. So we have the strange phenomenon of being told to get lost, and then being told we are imagining it that we are being told to get lost. We have the strange phenomenon of the conservatives within the party - and every aspect of the conservative agenda is now promoted and defended here - telling us that conservative politics are actually liberal politics, and then accusing us of trying to dictate and enforce some purity test or rigidly define who is and who is not a Democrat. We have the strange phenomenon of being promised things, the promises being broken, and then being told we are crazy to think that we were promised anything - so we are not to be taken seriously - and that what was promised is unrealistic anyway - so shut up - or the "change" may be coming at some time in the future - so be patient - or that the change already happened and we missed it - you weren't paying attention. It is the damnedest thing to watch unfold.

What the leadership is doing is killing the Republican party not by fighting it, but by gradually stealing its program, while at the same time slowly moving the leftists farther and farther out onto the margins and in the meantime lying to them. If this is not a party that is in the process of switching positions from liberal to conservative - as the Republican party did back in the early 1900's - then I don't know what would be. I think that is what is happening. They are going to take the words "liberal" and "progressive" and "Democrat" with them and re-define the words to suit their purposes, so I don't think we should be too attached to those words. Adhere to the priniples and ideals, not the labels.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 08:36 AM
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11. K&R ! //nt
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 08:49 AM
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13. the italian democratic party has been doing the same, with extreme precision...
...pushing away activists from the engine of the party, keeping away from the "citadel" the new energies and resources emerging from the boiling guts of society, labeling as "extremists" or at best a source for reflection and stimulation those slices of progressive political communities that could not find anything but the internet to organize themselves - as if they were the opponents, as if the cries and shouts coming from there were just a nuisance for the political poker table where the official leadership of the party was playing the game.

the outcome is easily seen - a rightist government rules undisturbed, the italian DP suffered defeat after defeat. the project turned out a failure due to its impermeability.

i have no trust anymore, indeed.
ciao madfloridian.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 01:18 PM
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24. Demoleft, I am so sorry about that. One called us internet "flotsam and jetsam"
I remember a few years ago when hubby and I had high hopes as well.

I am sad to hear the Italian Democratic Party is pushing away activists.

A sad and moving post.

"labeling as "extremists" or at best a source for reflection and stimulation those slices of progressive political communities that could not find anything but the internet to organize themselves - as if they were the opponents, as if the cries and shouts coming from there were just a nuisance for the political poker table where the official leadership of the party was playing the game."

One of the DLC bloggers called us "internet flotsam and jetsam.

"Some Democrats are rushing into the grasp of the loony tune lefties. Move On has moved on to Connecticut to attempt to purge one of the most esteemed centrists in the party - Joe Lieberman. They are joined by the flotsam and jetsam of the internet and Howard Dean's organization in an attempt to demonstrate to the country that hawkish moderate liberals are not welcome in the Democratic Party."
http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2006/05/gop-good-news.html
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 08:53 AM
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14. Rec 22/"America has one political party with two right wings" - Gore Vidal
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:22 AM
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15. I've been posting these DLC articles on Facebook. Very educational. Thanks for posting!
I hope all the other progressives on here can do the same, whenever appropriate.

It's a very simple, well documented message. The DLC is not on our side. Even low-info progressives are starting to catch on. Articles like these provide a very cut and dry lesson on why our party has disappointed us so much, which people are very curious about. Thanks again.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:13 PM
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17. K & R#34 nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:36 PM
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21. So, the DLC pushes the intellectual leadership of the country to the side.
That says a lot. And it identifies the reason the country is in such trouble.

Intellectuals have learned how to analyze and identify problems and then solve them.

The intellectual elite push for real change. Intellectuals make politicians feel uncomfortable because politicians want to please first and foremost, and intellectuals want to analyze and do the right thing first and foremost.

Both people-pleasing and careful analysis and problem-solving or needed.

Has Obama appointed one intellectual to his cabinet? I can't think of anyone. Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe the Secretary of Energy. But he has not been showcased as he should be. He should be a star of this administration. I hope that he will be after this BP fiasco.

It's a big mistake to shut intellectuals out of government. It's like driving with your eyes closed.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 12:45 PM
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22. I think the DLC learned a trick from the GOPers --
Edited on Wed May-19-10 12:45 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
Demonize "intellectuals" and drive them out of the Party -- dumber people are easier to fool/lead/scare/get to vote for you.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 01:22 PM
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25. And side-step broader, troubling aspects by focusing on obscure jargon/legalese
i.e. "facts" intended to blur the obvious
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:25 PM
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37. It is more than learning, it is full blown imitation.
The DLC is made up mostly of people who wish to join the GOP, but can't because they belong to groups traditionally in the shit list of Republicans. They exhibit the same self hate as the common GOP WASP toadie.

Since they can't in good faith join the GOP, they are doing the next best thing: turning the Dem party into their own private GOP. As such, it is no surprise the MO of most DLCers differs little from traditional Republican approaches.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 01:18 PM
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23. You're a bloody inspiration. Rec'd n/t
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 05:51 PM
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29. The second highest thread on the Greatest Page needs all of this as backup
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 06:50 PM
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31. Well, I wish they had told me
back during the hundreds of hours I gave to get Obama elected that they really didn't want people like me as a part of their coterie. I could have done a lot of things that Fall instead. Hmmmm. Maybe next time.....
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:32 PM
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38. I'm right there with you... After pouring all that sweat and effort canvasing, phone banking, etc
Edited on Wed May-19-10 09:32 PM by liberation
during the campaign... only to get insulted/yelled or talked upon the most condescending of tones by people who did not move a single finger during the election, and yet feel like the electoral victory does not only belong to them... but somehow it granted them carte blanche to belittle anyone who disagrees with whatever center-right platform they deem as the only "realistic" one.

It sort of makes sense when you consider many of these people were former republicans, looking for a less damaged brand. It seems they outsource everything, even political activism. They simply don't want to deal with those pesky lefty activists once their job/usefulness ends.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:33 AM
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52. Lots of newbie fans who wouldn't work
during the campaign. They showed up for caucus and parties, but were no-shows for the door to door work. Then they took the victory as a personal win.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 07:18 PM
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32. Dean/Grayson as soon as possible.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 07:19 PM
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33. K&R and bookmarked!
Great post!

:kick:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 07:23 PM
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34. You are on fire lately. nt
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 07:27 PM
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35. That 50-State Strategy Of DEAN'S Helped Obama get Elected
It was a nice thanks he got too.:sarcasm:
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:42 PM
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39. This post is why I love DU.
Well researched, well thought out essays connecting the dots. Nicely done, madfloridian. :thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:54 PM
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43. ....
What a nice thing to say. :)

Your sig line is one I love. I relate to it well. Sometimes if I am speaking my mind on the phone or in person I get so passionate my voice does shake.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 09:46 PM
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40. Amazing how adept the DLC is at right wing propaganda -- liberals/unions, the enemy--!!
Edited on Wed May-19-10 09:48 PM by defendandprotect
A new "thank you" for the info I wasn't aware of and the reminders re

the bit I did know about !!

Astonishing!!

:eyes:
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:39 PM
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44. Democratic party establishment response in Connecticut in '06
Remember how the party establishment responded in '06 when Lieberman lost the party nomination and declared himself an independent? All of those good DLCers beat feet to Connecticut to campaign for Lieberman and against Ned Lamont against their own party. That's what the DLC thinks of rank and file democrats.

What did Obama do shortly after winning the election in '08? He dumped Howard Dean as party chair and a few months later proudly proclaimed himself a "new democrat." That's code for DLC.

Sorry folks but we have in Barack Obama is another Bill Clinton. And what we can expect from Obama is further erosion of what is left of the New Deal. Look for major changes in Social Security if not outright privatization, ongoing wars, ever increasing "defense" spending, less regulation, further privatization of public education, etc. Basically if you read the DLC manifesto you'll see where we're headed.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:05 PM
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46. Democratic leadership does not want citizen participation in government...
they want us to sit on our asses, send them money and pull the lever for them - we aren't competent to do anything else - for that they have Fortune 500. They want us barefoot and pregnant in kitchen serving up votes.

Now we understand "wall street reform" "health reform" and "oil drilling" and "war".

The DLC proudly crows about representing centrist America, pretending that mediocrity is a virtue.



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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:07 PM
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47. excellent work
Very well done. Recommended.

The people who have gained control have never made a secret of their intention to move the party to the right. Yet we have people right here everyday denying that the party is in fact being moved to the right, denying that people on the left have any legitimate grounds for complaint, while at the same time repeating all of the smears against the left that we see in those memos and promoting every right wing idea.

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:38 PM
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48. And after all this sabotage, Dean still ended up taking Party chair
Go figure.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 03:59 AM
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51. nice OP thanks for all you do at DU
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:36 AM
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53. I'm such an elitist my car is 15 years old...n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 10:42 AM
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54. Al From- he worked on Lieberman's Conservative, Pro-Bush, Pro War 3rd party campaign.
Al From has actaully worked with a conserviatve 3rd paty to defeat a legit Democratic candidate. He has no standing to say who is a good DEM and who is not.


I think From's 3rd party campaign work speaks volumes about who the DLC really sides with.
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