ok DUers, help me finish off (proverbially, I love my family) my redneck cousin...

[LaydeeBug]

who says regarding the Arizona Immigration Law (I took a poll and posted about it on FB):

LB's redneck cousin: Uhmmm the way I see it is why is everyone crying foul. Arizona just passed into local law that the Federal Government has had in place for a very long time


LB: No they didn't. Read the law. The law allows police officers (two towns are refusing to enforce it because it's an unfunded mandate) to racially profile. It is NOT a crime to "be" in this country without papers. It is a crime to CROSS THE BORDER (misdemeanor). If Arizona wants to end illegal immigration, they need to make *HIRING* one a felony. Until then, it's straight racism, through and through.


LB's redneck cousin: Uhm maybe you should read the federal laws. All your points ar absolutely wrong. You may want to read this wikipedia article on federal laws regarding immigration

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States?wasRedirected=true

LB: maybe you should read the LAW, and not wikipedia, which I can edit right now to say whatever I want. (You can do the same). There is not a single one of my points that is wrong, unless you disagree with my opinion (which you are free to do) But that there are towns refusing: FACT. That the law encourages racial profiling: FACT. This is because it would make the failure to carry immigration documents a crime and give the police broad power to detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally. FACT. That is NOT in the US Statute. FACT. That if you want to stop illegal immigration all you have to do is outlaw hiring them...MY OPINION which you are free to disagree with.

(end)

You all are so good on the fly. :hi:

[JuniperLea]

1. If you keep putting that saucer of milk out there (jobs)

The stray cats will continue to come into your yard.

I would rather see all the money used against immigrants used toward making a positive change for them in their own country. Hell, we send money everywhere else! These people need help.

I'm really sick of this issue coming up every stinking election cycle! No one cares the rest of the time!

[LaydeeBug]

2. ain't that the truth. nt

[LaydeeBug]

3. Does my redneck cousin have a point? i really

think he could turn around.

[hwmnbn]

4. LaydeeBug, you're off to a good start....

try handing him this trip...



Step 1: There are "illegal" immigrants in the US from Canada, many from European countries. They can be blond haired, blue eyed and speak English. How does this law address these "illegals?" Ask him if he knows. (he probably doesn't)

Step 2: To make it personal, ask him on what "reasonable suspicion" grounds would the Arizona sheriff be justified to ask your cousin his immigration status? Ask him to be specific. (he probably can't)

Your cousin won't be able to describe what an illegal white immigrant looks like or how he acts or how he dresses that would tip off the sheriff. There is no definitive standard for suspicion in this law.



Bottom line, unless Arizona is prepared to apply this arbitrary "standard" to everyone equally, including white folks like your cousin, it's a blatantly racist law. It was DESIGNED that way.




That might get him thinking about the origins of this law and its authors enough to investigate. If so, you are home free with another notch on your wingnut trophy bowl.

If not we'll get you some links. LOL

[Jazzgirl]

5. Tell him that at one point, up to about '95 I believe,

the Irish were the largest group of illegal immigrants to the US. That is true.

[mkultra]

6. you cant just edit wiki to say whatever you want

they have editors that approve changes and require all things to be sourced. Its equal if not greater to most encyclopedias for accuracy according to Discovery.



being here undocumented is not a criminal offense, its a civil offense. Citizens are not required to carry proof of citizenship and this law puts legal citizens at risk for search and detention while they are operating withing their rights.

[Puzzler]

7. Ask your redneck cousin this...

... if hypothetically there was a sudden influx of illegial immigrants that for some reason closely resembled your cousin, would he object to being hounded by the police all the time to produce HIS "papers"? Because that's what it boils down to.

[LaydeeBug]

8. Here are my overnight replies:

LB's ex boyfriend from highschool: Hey I live in Arizona 15 minutes from the boarder. Heather you need to come and visit and see what is going on out here. You are wrong. Does not encourage racial profiling. When you get pulled over speeding, do you show you papers? Yes you do,it is called a drivers licence.

I will add that through personnal conversation with my wife the past week. The hispanics that are citizens support the law.

Oh yea...Arizona just passed a temp sales tax of 1% for the next three years. Maybe if the state did not spend a few billion...yes I said a few billion on illegals, the tax increase probably would not be needed.


LB's redneck cousin: LB's ex bf, there are some points that she doesn't understand. Well many pointsand your so right about the driving issue. To compound on that a police officer can approach anyone and ask for their ID in Baltimore City it is a law that everyone must carry an ID or are subject to arrest. Oh crap I wonder why people haven't jumped on that one. I dint beleive and maybe I'm wrong that the law in Arizona says any Mexican in the state must carry papers. I would bet it says probably about the same as the ordinance in Baltimore that all persons must provide vaild identification or would be subject to arrest. I could be wrong here NOT