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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:14 PM Original message |
Armed Robber steals $4 pack of socks, gets life in prison |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Maybe some people are well off because of an attempt |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
2. Access to a gun ruined this man's life. |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Using the gun during the commission of yet another crime |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Criminal behavior ruined this man's life. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Obviously, having the gun emboldened him to commit the crime. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Never going stop trying to get that fail-wagon moving, huh? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. No, whatever reduced him to having to steal socks and underwear... |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
57. The same forces that invented "zero-tolerance"... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I believe in zero-tolerance for violent crimes. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Zero-tolerance is always an excuse... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. That is where we differ. Long and severe IS the appropriate punishment for violent criminals. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Zero-tolerance would mean stupid stuff like life imprisonment without parole... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. If criminal doesn't have a gun at the crime they CAN'T shoot a victim |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I can't buy that theory... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. No buden on law abiding citzen. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Anyone, to include bystanders and law enforcement... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. In a legal sense he defined his intent by bringing a weapon to the crime. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Yes, it's a "pretty simple concept." |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
90. Apparently, he could afford a gun /nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:21 AM Original message |
He could have bought a complete set of halfway decent clothes for what he paid for the gun |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
77. Fool |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
94. He'd have gotten exactly the same sentence had he used a toy or fake gun instead of a real one |
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lefty2000 (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. All this for $4.00? Idiotic |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. This was more about the gun than $4 socks. nt |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Maybe you wouldn't feel that way if you'd had the gun pointed at you. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
47. I see it as being idiotic on the part of the robber |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
65. So we should just ignore the fact that this guy |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. Fear of freedom? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The former- fear |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Fear is exactly what promotes this sort of deal- it's also behind the zero tolerance crap |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. sorry i'm done feeling sorry for armed robbers |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Shot at by crack heads? |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. Sounds like he is a fucking idiot. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. +1 n/t |
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ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
12. pretty simple.. dont do the crime you dont do the time.....that being said... |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
13. "armed robber" |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
15. it's because he is a repeat offender, but i want to know what he was in prison the first time |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Fla Dept of Corr website - offender search nt |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
18. And Murkans wonder why the USA has more people behind bars than any other country |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Probably because they use guns |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. It's partly because we have more violent criminals than any other country |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
66. Drug crimes. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Remove non-violent drug offenders from prison. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Yes. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
96. locking up armed robbers is now un-liberal? |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
20. If that gun was in your face, would you care what he was trying to steal? |
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byrok (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I had a gun pointed right at my face. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Give me the name and local |
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byrok (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. The statement was a written deposition... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Don't Proffer Any More Information On This. |
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byrok (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You're right. |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. You Are Most Welcome. Try To Maintain That Healthy Perspective. (n/t) |
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proudohioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. Some jurisdictions allow a victim impact statement @ sentencing. n/t |
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byrok (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That is exactly right. n/t |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
58. You are way off-base. |
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byrok (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Thank you. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. The state of FL does not believe in rehab. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. As someone who has a friend doing prison time for robberies he committed for drug money, |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. What these "law and order" authoritarians fail to understand is that as we move |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. No penalty for murder should be death penalty. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
54. Robbery is not the same thing as petty theft |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. +1. Very important distinction. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
85. Bottom line however is that this is still a pety crime given these facts |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. No it isn't. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Under these facts it certainly was! |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. "guy shows a gun" = threat of violence with weapon during an armed robbery. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. He used a threat of deadly force to keep from getting grabbed |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. He didn't get life in prison for this one crime |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
89. You and Statistical make my point right here. |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
22. Won't find me crying over this one. |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
25. Horrible decision making and there you go. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
26. He didn't get prison for $4 socks. He got prison for an armed robbery. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
28. if only he stayed in school and eventually gotten a job on Wall Street |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #28 |
78. That's right. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
32. Sock problem permanently solved. n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
36. Reading this thread and the responses makes one realize why America's headed for third world status |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Because there are people who are stupid enough to throw away their freedom for some cheap socks |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. No- because the knee jerk reactions are both very costly and evince a nation that no longer cares |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
37. Good. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Just like in states with the death penetly, people kill less? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. That's one of the reasons I oppose the death penalty |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. I agree and disagree... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Murder is rarely a crime of opportunity. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Good points. In the 50s and 60s the criminal gangs in the UK used to pat each other down |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. That is a major reason why I feel felony murder statute is a good one. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
43. Wouldn't have made any difference if he had got away empty handed |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Very true. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
45. The value of the items that the robber took is totally irrelevant. Robbery is by definition violent. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
50. This thread is a great example of the reading comprehension of people on DU. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
51. Armed robbery where all he got away with was a pack of socks |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
73. Why are we arguing about his sentence? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. The benefits to sociey from better prison rehabilitation would be enormous |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #76 |
98. Or, after several periods of incarceration rehab wears off. nt |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
91. I think the moral of this story is don't go out and commit armed robbery |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
95. cheney getting away with crimes doesnt excuse armed robbery. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
97. An inept armed robber with poor judgment about what to steal is still an armed robber. |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
99. Yeah, if I were the Juror, I would disregard the Judge |
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