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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:36 AM
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One Party is ALWAYS willing to investigate, prosecute and impeach and the other is NEVER willing to
Edited on Thu May-27-10 07:53 AM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
So that is why we have Democratic Presidents investigated, prosecuted and impeached for blow-jobs while Republican Presidents can illegally surveil and wiretap almost everyone, out CIA agents, torture, lie us into fabricated wars, literally stand by and watch hurricane victims die, manipulate elections, and do what ever else they feel like and the Dems will roll over and tell us to move forward and take all the illegalities off the table. For the good of who? The American people? I don't think so.

As sleazy and weird and hypocritical and willfully ignorant and corrupt as the Republicans are, they are always willing to shout and uphold the Rule of Law if they perceive it gives them an advantage. In a strange way, I actually take some comfort in that, in that at least some group is pretending that there ARE laws even if they only apply to some of the people some of the time = Democrats. In the Democratic world, investigating and prosecuting and impeaching/convicting is just so damn messyand we're just not up to the task.

And people are surprised that the Repubs and the media are all over the Sestak issue?

It won't go away. THEY WON'T LET IT.

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The law they are all jumping up and down about is 18 USC 600

"Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both."
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I don't know if this law is applicable or not. I don't understand the effect of "provided for or made possible in whole or any part by any Act of Congress" - what does that mean?


The Obama administration needs to get out front with details on what exactly occured with Sestak, because if they don't, believe me, at some point in the very near future he (Sestak) will. Soon, if they haven't already, the Republicans will say that he is participating in a "cover-up" of a crime by not divulging the details. Military guys always go berserk if anyone besmearches their honor. In fact, I think Sestake was highly insulted that someone thought he could be manipulated with a job offer and that's probably why he spilled the beans in the first place - to demonstrate his independence.

The only way for the White House to put this to rest is to tell everyone very clearly who made the offer, what position was being offered and what were the exact circumstances. There is a way that a perfectly legitimate offer could have been made both legally and ethically - if the person making the offer NEVER MENTIONED the primary race. Also, in one of the early interviews with Sestak he said that the offer was made "indirectly" - so that's also a possible out/explanation. But whoever made the indirect offer probably needs to be tossed under the nearest bus pronto. If the White House doesn't come forward with the details and put the whole thing to bed, this thing will just continue to fester and get bigger by the day.

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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 07:55 AM
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1. The reason for the Democrats is so that there's no alternative to the Republicans.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:15 AM
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2. We should really emulate the GOP?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:46 AM
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5. Bush 3 is not emulating the GOP? hmm nt
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:25 AM
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3. What it means is...
...a job or paid position established as a result of a Congressional Act (for example, Congress provides funding for a high speed rail network, and establishes a High Speed Rail Commission to manage the distribution of the funds; appointing someone to a paid position on the Commission as a Quid Pro Quo for political activity (or non-activity) In the Sestak Case, the Department of the Navy was established by an Act of Congress in 1798.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:27 AM
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4. what? you mean more than one dem prez was impeached for lying about
a blow job? How did I miss that?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 08:51 AM
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6. I was speaking in terms of establishing precedents
Democratic Presidents get investigated for anything and everything and Republican Presidents get investigated for nothing.

But then you knew that.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 03:20 PM
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7. And here we go! As always, highly predictable
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4400456

If we don't want to spend the rest of forever hearing about this crap, it behooves the White House to come out now and offer a credible explanation. Gibbs said they had a lawyer review what happened and nothing illegal occurred. So share the details, it's not going away. Also, there is that great post around here about Reagan offering Hayakawa a job to drop out of the Cal. Senate race Maureen Reagan was in. Someone else mentioned that Bush did this at least five times.

Strong defense AND offense!

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