Why Carville has NO RIGHT to attack Obama on this disaster. He knew damn well what Cheney was up to

[blm]

all those years, as his wife was ASSISTING Cheney every day to fulfill his fascist agenda - an agenda that relied heavily on deregulating his favorite industries.

Carville knew/knows and he never ONCE came out screaming his head off on camera to attack Cheney, Matalin and their cohorts whose every day workload included abetting the oil companies' crimespree against the planet and consumers.

Making this catastrophe all about Obama distracts from the real criminal activities that led directly to this event - the same group of criminals who cooked the books on Iraq to push this nation into war - the same group of criminals who abetted the thug behavior of the financial elite.

Every now and then Carville makes a cute soundbite designed to appease the left, but, I can't for the life of me imagine there are many on the left willing to jump on those meatless bones anymore.

Carville protects ONLY what he and his wife have built - a media-driven charade designed to dupe the gullible of both parties. THAT is what pays their mortgages and lines their bank accounts.

Of COURSE he attacked Obama....you think he'd dare tell the truth about the REAL CULPRITS in government who deserve the lion's share of the blame?

[FSogol]

1. Well said. n/t

[FreeJG]

21. He sure did...he sleeps with Mary! She knew too, now she cries

[goclark]

87. What is Mary the Tool crying about ~

I bet she/he/they have received more pay offs than the Mafia.

Correction ~ she is the Political Mafia and her pillow partner is a Tool as well.


Don't get me started on these two ~ please. :puke:

[Clintonista2]

2. You managed to make a post without any mention of Clinton or the BCCI?

I'm impressed.

[blm]

8. Frivolous attitude ya got there. A luxury this day and age, don't ya think?

Ever think about putting some effort into explaining to us why it was OK with you that Clinton deepsixed BCCI matters, instead of insulting those concerned about the crimes involved?

Tell us how this nation benefitted from the efforts to close the books on BCCI. We're all ears.

[BeFree]

9. Thanks

Because it was Clinton that let BCCI getaway free after they ripped off billions of dollars.
Thanks for the reminder, Clintoista.

***************

BLM, thanks for the heads up. Carville is scumming again.

[meegbear]

10. BWAH-HAHAHAHAHA!!

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

excellent points, all!!!

:hi:

[roguevalley]

59. given that he lives there I cut slack for outrage. given that we

lived through exxon, I can see his rage and raise it two.

[kas125]

100. No, he gets no slack and has no right to feel outraged. Nor

does his evil witch of a wife get any slack now that she's parading herself on television literally crying about what she helped bring about. She didn't care before, but now that the mess is in her own backyard she's on tv crying. The hypocrisy makes me feel ill, truly.

[flamingdem]

145. He doesn't live there! nt

[TwilightGardener]

3. He and Mary are both opportunistic political leeches. Things must be slow for them right now.

[goclark]

86. He sleeps with the Enemy and they are both

Tool Boxes.

[Kookaburra]

4. Yep -- you got it. He needs to close his pie hole.

The good news is you can't understand 1/2 of what he says anyway, so...

[emulatorloo]

5. If we can characterize anybody as "DLC" it is certainly Carville.

But mostly Carville is about Carville and Matalin $$$$$$$$

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. the biggest Carville supporter here is also a Bobby Jindal fanboy.

No surprise there.

[mod mom]

7. and, of course, there's his role in keeping Bush in office:

CLINTON ALLY JAMES CARVILLE'S ROLE IN THE QUICK KERRY CONCESSION:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[goclark]

88. Wonder how much is in his Off Shore Acct. for that gem

:puke:

[blm]

153. he became a made man on that one...

.

[SalviaBlue]

11. CYA for wifey.

rec.

[greencharlie]

12. Carville was right... nt

[blm]

15. Carville was right to stay silent about Cheney and Matalin's efforts to let oil industry dictate

policy?


Carville's right to attack Obama with the LIE that Obama didn't come down to Louisiana to deal with the disaster at all?

Are you sure? Can you explain further why Carville is credible to you on this?

[LaydeeBug]

23. Carville did NOT stay silent about Cheney, and you know it. nt

[blm]

27. You are welcome to the MEATLESS BONES he threw over the years. His treachery has been established

and, in some cases, documented on film.

[LaydeeBug]

35. First, you said "silence" NOW you say "meatless bones".

:eyes:

[blm]

46. Silent about the REAL MATTERS involved. If he HAD spoken about the REAL MATTERS the meat would have

been on the bones.

Now...why pretend this concept is difficult to grasp?

BTW...you are welcome to show us clips of Carville screaming his head off at Cheney and Matalin's work giving the oil industry every thing they wanted to commit crimes against this planet and consumers.

Until then....you are welcome to the meatless bones he has thrown to you over the years.

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LaydeeBug]

58. It happened on Crossfire and the Republicans boycotted CNN for it and other policies.

I am not digging up the transcript. He did it. More than once. I saw him do it, and your meatless bones is bullshit. Mind you, I haven't seen him criticize Obama, so maybe I should, but that does NOT negate the FACT that YOU said he never criticized Cheney for the Energy Panels, and he did.

(start quote)
U.S. News: GOP "boycott" of Crossfire "has become official policy." From U.S. News' April 29, 2002, "Washington Whispers": "The GOP whisper campaign to boycott CNN's political show Crossfire has become official policy. Top leaders have told members not to go on the show because they feel cohosts and Democratic activists James Carville and Paul Begala are unfair to them and their views."

(end quote)

Be pissed if he is criticizing loudly, that is your opinion. But you are WRONG on the facts, dear, and there's no way marginalizing me is going to change that.

[blm]

69. Dog and pony show. Carville never went THERE where it would expose and hurt Cheney and Matalin

and cast a light on their fascist agenda. He always held back. Meatless...bones.

He sure isn't holding back his anger at Obama.

[rhett o rick]

82. Carville is a DLC bastard and you know it. He is a Democrat that doesnt give a shite about Americans

And you know it. He is lower than a republican.

[rhett o rick]

81. Disrupter alert. Disrupter alert. nm

[kenfrequed]

115. Uhm...

As much as I dislike the decision to let BP handle everything related to this environmental catastrophe, Carville really isn't that pure about this sort of thing and though he might coincidentally be somewhere in geostationary orbit around correct, his previous treatment of issues and conservative leanings, as well as his subservience to DLC candidates make it difficult for me to accept anything he says.

[redqueen]

127. LMFAO... I knew you'd out your dumbass self one day.

Stupid fuckin trolls... sad that they get so much traction here with their bandwagon-jumping.

[bigtree]

13. k&r

:thumbsup:

[Greybnk48]

14. Thank you blm. I agree totally.

I used to adore James Carville, but those days are long gone. He's a player, sadly.

[ShortnFiery]

16. As a man who hails from Louisiana, James Carville had EVERY right to speak his mind.

:thumbsup:

[blm]

24. except being a fascist enabler all these years FOR the oil industry agenda he abdicated that right

to speak for every day people suffering from the consequences of HIS enabling Cheney and Matalin's efforts.

He HAS the right to get in front of a camera and tell the truth for a change, but, when do you expect that will happen?

[BeFree]

25. Right, he does

But what would we say if Carville blamed God for the gusher?

[karynnj]

42. It matters that he is male and from LA ? who knew!

[ShortnFiery]

54. OK, any HUMAN BEING who was born and raised along the Gulf coast has that right. eom

[tomp]

116. you mean those who weren't born and raised there don't?

sounds like when people say military personnel have more right to speak about foreign military policy.

[blm]

128. Was he concerned about the Gulf Coast when he was protecting Matalin and Cheney and

their oil industry agenda all those years?

[goclark]

137. Bingo! He is the Manchurian Candidate and Howdy Dowdy

Does he care about his State ~ of course he does.

Who wouldn't.

I don't live there but I care and you care as well.

Everyone on this Board Cares.

But the words that come out of his mouth I do not trust.

Their paychecks are one and the same ~ they are paid to look like they disagree but somehow, he always lands on the same page she is on.

She is Bob and he is Howdy Dowdy.

[uberblonde]

142. It matters that he moved his family to New Orleans...

AFTER Katrina. Yes, I think that matters.

[Scurrilous]

17. Amen.

:thumbsup:

[GReedDiamond]

18. Cheney's "secret energy task force"...

...from the earliest days of the "Bush Administration," is at the root of all that has happened, regarding the last decade of "national energy policy":

* deregulation and the Enron/Big Energy Scam that, in particular, screwed California
* policies pandering to Big Oil - overpriced gas at the pump, deregulate/"self regulate," drill baby drill!
* "Operation Iraqi Liberation" (remember the "energy task force" apparently viewing maps of Iraqi oil fields for dividing-up amongst the transnational oil companies?)
* energy conservation is un-Amurrkin
* the downplaying/underfunding any serious efforts to develop renewable, green energy sources
* etc., as long as Cheney/Bush cronies profited, even at any expense to national security and/or the economy/environment.

Cheney's bloody fingerprints are all over the BP/Transocean/Halliburton criminal negligence in The Gulf of Mexico.

And I saw Carville and his shrew-of-a-wife on CNN, and the irony of their handwringing over this criminal act did not escape me.

[goclark]

90. Were they both on CNN ? My TV is so glad

I was not watching because my hand would have broken the glass.

He is a snake in the grass and so is she.

A lot of people are from the Oil Mess region.
They have suffered and suffered.
He and she are not alone in that suffering.

Everytime I see his face,I remember Kerry and get angry all over again! :puke:

I have no compassion for him at all!

[GReedDiamond]

104. They are both "paid political consultants" to CNN...

...how convenient for them.

I saw them both together today on CNN.

Same handwringing. Somebody here pointed out how DLCer Carville makes some good points. Yeah. Agreed. But he's married to Cheney's personal assistant, fer Chrissakes!

[goclark]

134. The Manchurian Candidate

Yep, that's him.

[Upton]

19. President Obama has recieved a lot of criticism

on this issue. Not just from Carville. Does anybody have a "right" to criticize the president in your opinion?

[blm]

131. There is plenty of room to criticize Obama...I do it quite often, myself. But, Carville abdicated

his right on THIS event because it happened BECAUSE of the fascist policies he enabled by protecting his wife and Cheney's oil industry agenda. He knows WHY the disaster happened and won't use his privilege of airtime to speak that truth.

[goclark]

139. Ding! Ding! Ding!

[madokie]

20. Well put

someone was unrec'ing it as I rec'd it. Why would anyone want to unrec this is beyond me.

damn well put I might add

[LaydeeBug]

22. Ummm YES HE DID.

"Carville knew/knows and he never ONCE came out screaming his head off on camera to attack Cheney" He did it all the fucking time.

[blm]

28. No...those were meatless bones that many of us stopped buying long ago.

.

[LaydeeBug]

37. Again, FIRST you said, "silence" THEN you say "meatless bones" and NOW you add "that many of us.."

"...stopped buying long ago". I had no idea there was such a bandwagon.

[blm]

41. His silence about the REAL matters involved. If he had spoken about the REAL matters then the bones

thrown would have HAD some meat on them. Uh...why is that so difficult to understand?

[LaydeeBug]

57. Your attempt to backpedal by marginalizing me is failing. You said SILENT, and OF COURSE he spoke

about Cheney's secret oil panel. Saying he didn't is dishonest.

[laughingliberal]

62. I thought you answered that well in #58. Seems you've had this conversation with this OP twice, now.

[blm]

71. He didn't talk about the REAL nitty gritty issues involved in those panels. Issues he'd know about

because his wife's work was FURTHERING the agenda. He would criticize generally but never SPECIFICALLY, when he damn well could have, couldn't he?

[joeybee12]

26. He's criticinzing, rightly so, Obama's response or lack of it...not that the spill

is his fault, as are most of us.

[blm]

31. You think Carville doesn't know that US government doesn't have the equipment or expertise to deal

with the exact nature of this disaster? Obama is doing what CAN be done...and Carville outright LIED about Obama not showing up in Louisiana...why?

And rightly or wrongly, Obama gave BP the room (too much time, imo) to deal with it because they were SUPPOSED to have the equipment and expertise that the disaster needs.

But...Carville's credibility on this was shot long ago.

[joeybee12]

36. He (Obama) and the government should have been overseeing that from Day One...

BP was lying its ass off, and it was obvious pretty quickly.

[ProSense]

43. Statement about day one activities.

For Immediate Release April 22, 2010

Statement by the Press Secretary on the President's Oval Office Meeting to Discuss the Situation in the Gulf of Mexico

The President and First Lady's thoughts and prayers are with the family members and loved ones facing the tragic situation in the Gulf of Mexico. The President was briefed in the Oval Office this afternoon by a number of senior officials including Department of Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano, Admiral Thad Allen, United States Coast Guard Commandant, Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, EPA Deputy Administrator Bob Perciasepe, FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate as well as a host of senior white house officials including Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change Carol Browner, Chair of Council on Environmental Quality Nancy Sutley and Director of the National Economic Council Lawrence Summers.

The United States Coast Guard informed the President that search and rescue efforts are ongoing. The President made sure that the entire federal government was offering all assistance needed in the rescue effort as well as in mitigating and responding to the environmental impact and that this response was being treated as the number one priority. The President asked the responding departments to devote every resource needed to respond to this incident and investigate its cause.

The National Response Team has been activated and Unified and Area Commands have been established near New Orleans to coordinate search and rescue operations and oil spill response efforts.

The Department of the Interior and the Minerals Management Service as well as the Coast Guard are also working with responsible parties to support their important efforts to secure the pollution sources. Deputy Secretary of the Interior David Hayes was dispatched to the region yesterday to assist with coordination and response. The President wishes to thank the bravery of the professionals across the government who have worked non-stop over the last two days to save lives and protect the environment.

[goclark]

92. Thank you very much

[KonaKane]

98. Doing what, exactly?

Standing there and nodding with his arms folded?

[Ikonoklast]

146. More than you'll ever know.

But, keep up with the right-wing talking points.

Seems you spout a lot of them here.

[BeFree]

38. Unbelievable

This is the 1st time I have ever disagreed with you, blm.

But then you saved yourself. "Obama gave BP the room (too much time)"

Whew, that was close. Kerry on. I got your back.

[blm]

44. Hey...I do believe Obama was wrong to give them too much time...but...I do get that the equipment

needed was not something the US government had, and that BP was supposed to possess. Maybe now the US will set a priority for its energy and FEMA Depts. to HAVE the expertise and the equipment to deal with this level of disaster.

[BeFree]

45. Obama was trapped, indeed.

But he's breaking out now.

[rhett o rick]

83. He is an oppurtuinist bastard. He is a DLC bastard and should be kicked out of the party. nm

[ProSense]

29. Media Matters: Media falsely suggest gov't is ignoring Louisiana barrier plan

Media Matters: Media falsely suggest gov't is ignoring Louisiana barrier plan

Carville, Matalin, Jindal and Rove are posturing assholes.

[blm]

34. Some here still think Carville is attacking for honest reasons. As IF he has any integrity left.

.

[bobthedrummer]

30. k&r and another archived thread restating the facts in your OP, from 3-18-2007

A DU collaborative investigation: National Energy Policy Development Group/NEPDG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x440721

Carville=mole

[EFerrari]

32. Right on. Carville is slime. n/t

[NNN0LHI]

33. When he didn't mention Halliburton during his hysterics I knew he was full of shit

:thumbsup:

[blm]

40. EXACTLY. Like when he'd say something about Iraq, never mentioning his wife and Cheney cooking the

books on Iraq with their Iraq War Group.

[Ganja Ninja]

39. I agree 100%.

The both of them disgust me.

[glitch]

47. This time the results of their complicity are striking a bit too close to home.

No doubt they have a lovely beachfront home on the Gulf.

They don't notice a problem until it affects them personally, you know how they are.

[blm]

50. Yeah...their property value has gone down considerably, I imagine.

.

[glitch]

56. That Carville agrees with some on the left on this issue doesn't discredit them.

It's not his bandwagon that is being jumped on, he is the one doing the jumping.

[Canuckistanian]

48. I give him as much credibility as Matalin

They're both peas in a pod, working on opposite sides of an imaginary fence.

[goclark]

93. Ding, Ding Ding ~ peas in a pod

"working on "opposite" sides of an imaginary fence.

You nailed them exactly ---Two Tools In The Same Tool Box.

[MagickMuffin]

49. Thanks for this post, Hammer meet Nail Head.... er or should that be Snake Head

As his wife so aptly named, he speaks with forked tongue. I have never cared for him. And especially after he married his snakey wife.


They KNEW what was going on during the Cheney Bush years, and they profited off of it very nicely.


KKKKK & RRRRRRR


:thumbsup: :applause:

[TheKentuckian]

51. Its no means all about Obama or even mostly about Obama but he's done

little to change the direction set by the corrupt Cheney and BushCo. and even proposes to ramp up the drilling despite knowing the ridiculous system in place.

Obama and his fiercest supporters need to get it through their skulls that we do not have to continue with horrendous policies because they were inherited. BushCo. came into a lot of things they didn't continue, up to and including the Constitution of the United States but they bent and amended about everything they could touch. I'm certainly not advising the Administration to set themselves up as an extra-Constitutional despot but they damn well should have been changing the culture and setting a new policy direction in the first place.

Also, Carville's complaints have nearly nothing to do with the damage to regulatory and bureaucratic agencies but rather to his impression of the President's response. He may or may not be on target with those complaints but other than the incident happening in the first place what Cheney and friends did has nothing to do with what Carville is screaming about.

He sure didn't seem to be protecting BP, if that is what you are implying.

I'm not a Skeletor fan politically but I find him an entertaining rodeo clown sometimes but just on the dispersant issue we know their is at least some gray area on whose best interests are in mind when calls are made. We also know that the EPA got the high hat and is now had to fall back to begging them to use less. There is some stink stank stunk and definite weakness in the authority of the federal government over these mega-corps that shows across sectors and that feebleness might be the greatest with the oil industry.

We also know BP lies their asses off but their data is still considered reliable and used as the basis for all corrective steps. The relationship is very uncomfortable or should be for those that want the interests of the Gulf, the environment, and our citizens.

I'd also say that Obama was silly politically to allow himself to be tied to BP. As soon as trust for BP fell completely apart then the President started getting catching heat too. The reason that happened is because it very much appears that BP has been allowed to call the shots and if they are calling the shots that means they were permitted to do so by the Administration and then next thing you know you hear James Carville yelling.

Obama would be all over the top of this if he'd not proposed more drilling, if he was serious and public about restoring regulation across the board, and was on BP's ass in a superior but adversarial tone all the way.

No superhero antics, no Justice League action, just doing what a guy in the job can do if so inclined.

[blm]

74. I agree with much of what you observe...my ire was directed at the hypocrisy of the Carvilles who

are clearly aware that THEIR cohorts working for the benefit of the oil industry are the real culprits. This attack was distraction politics. Matalin and Carville know exactly what they are doing and who they are doing it for...and it ain't the American people or the shores of Louisiana.

[goclark]

94. +1000

"Matalin and Carville know exactly what they are doing and who they are doing it for...and it ain't the American people or the shores of Louisiana."

You put the tail on those two donkeys tonight! :fistbump:

[dadzilla]

149. Exactly When did he have 5 extra minutes?

Faulting Obama for not fixing 8 years of republican sabotage over at the MMS when he was trying to prevent another Great Depression and restart an economy that was wrecked is just asinine. Bad news folks, I'd bet money there are plenty of Bush land mines we are going to hit.

[aquart]

52. Does anyone have a right to criticize Obama?

Just wondering. See I wanna know why national guard weren't mobilized to put protections of any damn kind we could find BEFORE the fucking oil hit the marshes. SLOW response? YES. Damn straight it was slow. We've lost the wetlands. Our government was busy being deliberate and consulting.

[ProSense]

55. "I wanna know why national guard weren't mobilized to put protections of any damn kind "

FRIDAY, APRIL 30

In response to the BP oil spill, the Secretary of Defense authorizes under Title 32 the mobilization of the Louisiana National Guard to help in the ongoing efforts to assist local communities in the cleanup and removal of oil and to protect critical habitats from contamination.

TUESDAY, MAY 4

National Guard Activation

Secretary Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).

The state of Louisiana has activated approximately 1,200 National Guard members under Title 32 for command and control and sandbagging operations in St Bernard and Plaquemines parishes. Louisiana National Guard personnel are actively manning the Joint Operations Center and Tactical Aviation Cell.

THURSDAY, MAY 13

National Guard Support Continues to Build

1,304 National Guard personnel are currently supporting oil response—952 from the Louisiana National Guard are providing Command and Control and sandbagging support to St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes, supporting marina operations and conducting HAZMAT training; 323 from the Alabama National Guard are deploying protective barriers around Dauphin Island and conducting sandbag and security operations; 25 from the Mississippi National Guard personnel are providing helicopter support and liaison officers to aid local officials with emergency response; and four from the Florida National Guard are performing liaison duties in support of the response effort to the Unified Command Center in Alabama and to its own emergency operations center in Tallahassee.

THURSDAY, MAY 20

Natural Resource Conservation Service Continues to Build Response

USDA’s Natural Resources Conservation Service has deployed personnel and multiple vessels to assist the Louisiana Department of Fisheries and Wildlife in monitoring oil making landfall in Terrebonne Bay and Breton Sound areas in Louisiana, and continues to assist the Louisiana National Guard with technical engineering recommendations for stabilizing beach and headland areas where sand and earthen material is being placed to plug openings to prevent the oil from entering the wetlands.

deepwaterhorizonresponse.com

[October]

105. Thanks for that post. /nt

[blm]

72. I agree there is ROOM for criticism..but not CARVILLE'S attack which is inaccurate and political BS

since he'd never acknowledge the REAL CULPRITS in all of this, which includes his WIFE, the war criminal.

[Dinger]

96. Yes We Do (nt)

[saracat]

60. Real cuprits? That would be M+M and Salazar and BP + the Bush Admin. Carville has

every right to complain as does every Louisianian and every American. Nothing takes that right away. I have heard James speak on multiple occasions and he has always, always attacked Cheney and for years. I am not a huge fan of his, and he knows it.
James knows a lot about pereception and symbolisim.It is sad that his wisdom is being scoffed at by some. I am not a fan but to refuse to give respect to someone when they are correct because you do not liketheir primary choice is silly. May as well never watch Tim Robbins movies again or come to the conclusion he has no talent because he supported Nader!

[ProSense]

61. "James knows a lot about pereception and symbolisim."

Yeah, standing there with Matalin "clutching" Gulf water is proof of that.

Assholes.

[saracat]

63. I hope you never have to directly deal with these circumstances and I hope someday you learn to care

than just the party line.

[ProSense]

64. What utter BS

"I hope someday you learn to care than just the party line."

Matalin and Carville are self-serving assholes. These are the two people who wrote a letter defending Scooter Libby.

[saracat]

67. I don't care. The world is dying and I don't care about Scooter Libby, Mary Matalin or all that

petty garbage. I don't care who anyone supported in a Primary OR who they are sleeping with. Just don't give a damn. You concentrate on defending whatever worthless pols you want as one of the greatest natural disasters in history takes place. Go ahead ,whatever floats your boat. But it is floating in a sea of oil that three admins did nothing to stop and are currently not making plans for the future. BTW there is yet another oil plume in the ocean today but I guess you didn't notice being too busy dissing a man whose home is in jeopardy. Life is more than just politics.

[ProSense]

68. I don't give a shit about Carville and Matalin's opinion on this.

And their posturing isn't doing a damn thing to help the situation.

[saracat]

70. Neither is yours.

[Beacool]

121. You hope too much..............

:eyes:



:7

[blm]

73. My distrust of Carville predates the primaries. If you have concluded that Cheney (and Matalin) did

nothing that led to this disaster (like Carville obviously does as he used his airtime privilege to only attack Obama) then I would be interested in seeing how you came to that conclusion.

[spanone]

65. freakin' FUCKING A

[DividedWeAre]

66. no respect for him

carville lost my respect the day i found out he was married to what's-her-name. "i fear that he is insincere". just an empty political operative at this point.

[Scurrilous]

75. Kick

:thumbsup:

[Octafish]

76. Seems like money conquers what love can't.

Thank you, blm.

[condoleeza]

77. I came into the NPR interview w/him before I knew who was being interviewed

I'm driving in my car and listening to the interview and thinking that this must be some local citizen with an opinion about what is happening to Louisiana, and he's passionate about it, and he's making a few good points, but I'm trying not to judge someone because of where they're from and I was thinking this guy was basically an idiot, and then it just devolved into a political attack. So, then I hear it's Carville, and honestly - isn't he way more "southern" now? Frankly, at that point, I got over my wish not to judge someone because of where they're from. Carville is just an idiot, so I guess I am prejudiced and I really try not to be, but, if Carville is the voice of this part of he US, then they're in real trouble. As if Katrina and the oil spill weren't enough.

Strange bedfellows - what in the hell do these people talk about when they're cuddlin' down in bed? Honestly, I really am afraid to know.

[amborin]

78. 18 months ago, Salazar said he'd clean up MMS, but did zip; 4/2009 Int Dept exempted this BP project

from required environmental impact study; had the study been done, the project would not have been approved.....

yes, past history matters, but there were more recent forks in the road

[disndat]

129. Obama said as much yesterday

and personally took the blame and responsibility. It was a strange sight on CNN to see Mary Matalin looking like the Wicked Witch of the West heaping blame on Obama for not doing more to stop the leak. Maybe she was desperate to displace blame from her old boss, Mr. Big Oil, Cheney.

[blm]

135. exactly the point of my post... distracting from Cheney/Matalin's involvement that led directly to

this disaster.

[disndat]

130. Obama said as much yesterday

and personally took the blame and responsibility. It was a strange sight on CNN to see Mary Matalin looking like the Wicked Witch of the West heaping blame on Obama for not doing more to stop the leak. Maybe she was desperate to displace blame from her old boss, Mr. Big Oil, Cheney.

[David Zephyr]

79. K&R.

This needed to be said. Thank you for doing it, blm.

[UrbScotty]

80. He has a RIGHT to - but not much CREDIBILITY on this matter.

[K8-EEE]

84. Yes, that's true!

[rhett o rick]

85. Fuck Carville and the DLC bastards. nm

[stevedeshazer]

89. What you said, blm.

Mr Matalin has zero credibility.

[Jennicut]

91. Of course, let's protect little wifey poo who has the gall to get on tv

and whine about Obama after all the crap her boss pulled. Screw them both. I feel bad the residents of LA have to put up with those two.

[goclark]

95. They are two ugly and mean birds that are flocking together

[scarletwoman]

97. Enthusiastic rec. I'll NEVER stand with that loathesome snake-headed freak DLC scumbucket Carville.

I'm not much of an Obama fan, but there's absolutely NOTHING that comes out of that fuckstick reptile's (Carville) slimy pie hole that's worth a nanosecond of attention.

Ugh. :puke:

sw

[G_j]

99. I dislike the way his remarks seemed to overshadow

the statements of fishermen and others who are being hit by this disaster. He is a hypocrite slime-ball etc, but he does live there. He is free to say what he wants, but I want to hear the real people. this ego maniac has had TV exposure enough. I can't take him seriously.

[blm]

136. Exactly....others who didn't abdicate their right to criticize Obama by enabling Cheney's fascist

quest to give the oil industry free reign over this nation's resources.

[Lucian]

101. So people have no right to criticize the president?

Isn't that what the Republicans did to us during Bush's eight years?

Last I checked, it's totally okay for anyone to criticize the president...*cough*First Amendment*cough*

[blm]

132. Who said that? My post didn't. I say why Carville abdicated HIS right on this issue.

.

[pundaint]

102. Carville, like all of us, has the right to verbally attack any public figure. He does seem to be

misinformed, but, as do many of us, believes that leadership is not a behind closed doors activity. Leadership must be aggressive, and leadership for Change must be over the top. The current White House resident, is an administrator of the status quo for the primary benefit of the same power elite who have stolen America while the People sleep.

[October]

103. Absolutely agree! K&R

[JI7]

106. it is interesting , Carville saying he wishes the Shell Oil guy was in charge on Larry King

while the shell oil asshole is going after obama for stopping deep water drilling.

[jobycom]

107. Yeah, right, because men are supposed to keep their wives in line, right?

A man who can't control his woman is, well, just like a woman, right? Doesn't have big brass balls, and all that?

FUCK THAT.

[blm]

138. Gee, joby...so retro that you think that is what this post is all about...give us a clue WHY you

came to believe the post was about a man keeping his wife in line?

[jobycom]

150. Because that's what it's about. Explain how it is you don't see it.

OP claims Carville has no right to complain now because he didn't come out screaming before? The Hell he wasn't screaming before. He's always opposed Bush/Cheney, he's always complained about the deregulations and bad government that allowed things like this to happen. There was a lot to scream about, and he did it regularly, and he campaigned hard for people on the other side. The OP and you both know that as well as I.

What else is the OP complaining about, then? It's not about Carville not screaming enough, because Carville always screams. Carville didn't dump his wife? He didn't specifically condemn her for doing her job for Cheney? Come on, you're not that naive, you can think past the stereotypes. What's the OP really doing here? All he's doing is holding Carville responsible for Matlin. Carville didn't keep Matlin in line, didn't make her quit her job, didn't force her to believe and say what he said. You tell me what you think the OP said if it wasn't that. Carville was never silent about Bush/Cheney, only about his wife.

[blm]

152. Baloney. That's what you WANT to see. Carville never attacked Matalin's role or the info he

would have surely possessed about the WORST of what they were doing. Carville had a role on TV to attack the LIES of Bush-Cheney AND Matalin and he didn't do it with ANY teeth. He screamed on silly crap and did NOTHING to inform the audience about the extent of what was being done.

Some of you are always satisfied with the petty screaming that gets us nowhere.

[Diane R]

108. Oh, please. Can't I recommend this a hundred more times?

[RoccoR5955]

109. K & R Perhaps his nutjob wife finally got to him. n/t

[cornermouse]

110. Unrec. Carville attacked Cheney every chance he got.

For those with what appears to be short memories, I'm going to take a moment to point out that calls demanding people only marry those of a particular affiliation is the type of thing you typically find only in religious organizations and racist organizations. In short, its wrong.

[swilton]

111. Carville is right

and Obama should listen to him - whatever Carville (from Obama's own corner neither being from the left fring nor a teabagger) is saying, others from within and outside of Obama's party are thinking.

You can't make Carville - regardless of who his wife is - a scapegoat for Obama's disaster - He came into office and is Bush lite vis a vis change...Obama put in Geitner and his ilk; he also put in Salazar and others that are in bed with big business.

Follow the money - who has contributed over 900,000 to Obama's campaign in just 6 years Obama is one of the top ten recipients of oil and gas largesse.

His thin resume was always an issues and this disaster validates those who were sceptics.

And I am no fan of Carville's.

[tomp]

124. carville has no problem with bush or bush lite.

that is why his remarks are hypocritical. let someone else make the case against obama.

carville is to be denounced at any and every opportunity as a paid spokesperson for the powers that be, a henchman, a lackey, a shill.

MAYBE he's right on the facts, but his motive is perpetuating "the american problem" (fascism/corporatism) and self-aggrandizement. there is not a patriotic bone in his body.

[blm]

140. you said it more clearly...it's the 'motives' behind his criticism and the fact that he aimed ONLY

at Obama.

[penndragon69]

112. Forget carville.

He used to say some good and empowering things, but not anymore. He is a sad and pathetic
leach attached firmly to bill and hillary's ass. Still pissed about his girl getting
beaten by Obama and now he will do dick chennys dirty work of covering up the bush crimes.

He should co-author his next book with ann coulter, they are almost identical twins now!

[freddie mertz]

113. I don't think he was "attacking," he was calling for help.

I don't have much use for him most of the time, and find his TV appearances with his wife on shows like MTP to be supremely irritating.

In this case, however, I believe that his frustration is real and his criticism to a great extent is valid.

But even if I did not, he obviously has the "right" to speak his mind, thus my disagreement with the main argument of the OP.

[Aleric]

114. So Bush wasn't at fault for Katrina?

It was really God's fault for causing the hurricane? Bush was just the unlucky guy in office when it happened?

No.

Obama is there now. HE has to deal with the problem NOW. If he is screwing up NOW, he should get called on it NOW. Blaming that last administration is the first resort of a republican.

[Beacool]

120. That's my measure of what is a fair attack on Obama.

I ask myself, if XYZ situation had happened and Bush had been in charge, would we be going after his butt? If the answer is yes, then I know that people will say and write anything to excuse Obama simply because he's a Democrat.

:shrug:

[blm]

133. My post said WHY Carville abdicated his right to attack on THIS issue. Try replying to the subject.

.

[scentopine]

117. Carville was dead nuts on - this is disaster for the Gulf and Obama -nt

[blm]

144. And whatabout when Cheney and Matalin CRAFTED the oil policies that directly led to this disaster?

You think Carville and Matalin have absolutely no agenda pointing attacks squarely on Obama?

[scentopine]

154. Not in this case. BTW I was furious when republicans

blamed 911 on 8 years of Clinton. I was furious about how Bush behaved during Katrina and I am furious with the "loyal" democratic party hacks spinning and hacking away like Obama is doing a heck of a job. And I am furious at Obama rushing to open up the Eastern seaboard to more drilling based on MMS review. The same MMS the was sleeping and doing drugs with oil lobbyists.

I don't put party over principals. There is a time when the raw humanity and horror transcends political strategy and if there was ever a fucking time it is now.

This is a goddamn disgrace of leadership. More flowery long winded speeches, press restrictions and BP is still in charge.

Grrrr - I don't like Obama but I removed a cheap shot he probably deserves.

[Beacool]

118. Boy, Carville must have stepped on some toes.

He appears to have become Enemy #1 around this board.

The man is from the area. He loves his state, that's why he moved his family from DC to LA. He is justifiably angry that more was not being done to stop this mess. Other companies and countries have offered to help and have all been rejected (according to Sen. Hatch on the radio this morning). The question is why? I would think that this is a situation that would require all hands on deck. Don't you?

:shrug:

[saltpoint]

119. It must have been a sad moment at the hospital when Carville was born,

with the attending physician telling his parents that they'd just given birth to a caricature.

"They often live well into their 60s and 70s. They just don't make any sense when they speak."

[limit18]

122. Carville has every right to speak his mind...

[jwirr]

123. I am not interested in his ideas about anything but they do make me

wonder about the others down there who have consistently voted to keep the coastal states red. Do they have any concept of their part in this mess? Has anyone learned anything? I understand when the Democratic Party people in those states want government to do more in this mess but it is truly hypocritical of the pugs to scream where is the government. I want to scream back and ask "Where were you when they were deregulating all of this?"

[goclark]

141. And how much money were the oil companies giving under

the table for many,many years.

Did I read that Haliburton was somhow involved in all of this mess?

[valerief]

125. Carville and his ugly wife are both irrelevant. nt

[tomp]

126. carville/matalin = democratic/republican parties...

...in bed together.

a great symbolic exposure of the american problem. if you can't see that, you're blind.

[Cleita]

143. Stephanie Miller made an observation about Mary Matalin today.

She said that in that interview she was scratching more than her dogs. Could that be a 'hens coming home to roost' guilty conscience type of nervous reaction? I mean she helped Cheney with those oil policies and probably the torture and war policies too. She was one of his advisors. What was she advising him about? His snarl?

[Moochy]

147. Yeah that or cocaine

[ProSense]

148. "terminal silliness"

'TERMINAL SILLINESS'....

Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) has some thoughts on the politics of the BP oil spill disaster.

"In fairness, there's not a lot we can do. The federal government has no vehicle capable of going down there. None of our submarines can go down there. That is a pre-existing condition that was not the fault of the Obama administration."

But, he added, "As we know, politics is as much perception as reality." He said a "clear risk factor" in the fallout of the spill going forward was that it would sully the administration's record.

Rendell also noted a difference between Obama's style and that of the last Democratic president, a famous micromanager: "If Bill Clinton was president, he'd have been in a wetsuit, you know, trying to get down to see the spill," the governor said with a laugh.

I wish that were funny, but as Matt Zeitlin noted, it's an example of the "terminal silliness" of much of the crisis analysis.

I think this perfectly captures the vast majority of purely perception based criticism of Obama's personal response to the oil spill. Best I can tell, very few of the people who are saying that Obama hasn't been publicly aggressive and involved enough actually specify what he should have done as a matter of policy once the spill happened. Most of the commentary seems to be on the level of getting in the wetsuit.

Or complaining that the president doesn't "seem" to be "sufficiently enraged."

Our discourse too often leaves so much to be desired.

So, who was it that said the criticisms had nothing to do with politics?

[havbrush]

151. Carville knew

Wow! I never looked at it that way but now that you put it out there it's obvious. Carville is married to Matalin, one of the most rabid rightwingers going, And probably worked with Cheney to loosen oil drilling regulations. You tend to forget about the Carville/Matalin aliance. It's unnatural. Me and my wife have wondered about it many times. How do you stay married to someone who thinks completely differently than you. Who's only mouthing rethug talking points and working to pump up profits for corporations and Wall Street and who cares what happens to the little people and Main Street. Which is what Carville is supposed to be opposed to, being the big democrat. I think you're right. It's all a charade that they came up with to keep them on the air in their pundit roles. Network and cable bookers say, "isn't that cute, they're married but one is a rightwing rethug and the other is the ragin' cajun dem spout word about helping people, let's book them on the show." Sexual attraction I can understand. It lasts for a while but if the person's thinking is diametrically opposed to everything you stand for, you're going to get sick of that person eventually, sex or no. Or you'll get sick of yourself if you stay and the relationship will then break up. Unless some unholy deal has been struck.

[goclark]

155. You hit that nail ~ Bingo!