Why do we hate Veterans this much? Doesn't This Shame the USA?

[SargeUNN]

http://www.allgov.com/Controversies/ViewNews/US_Prepares_to_Deport_Thousands_of_Veterans_100527
Service in the armed forces is no guarantee for legal immigrants to remain in the United States if they break the law. There are approximately 3,000 to 4,000 veterans awaiting deportation by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is using a 1996 law to speed up the process of removing so-called banished veterans.


Advocates, and some former high-ranking military officers, disagree with the policy, believing that those who have served the U.S., and possibly risked their lives doing so, deserve a chance to remain in the country, even if it’s behind bars.

“I come at it from a legal, moral and ethical background,” retired Army Major General Alfred Valenzuela, former deputy commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, told Military.com. “If you commit a crime, you pay your dues. Having said that … if you’ve served your country, I think you are due a certain right, if you will, .”
-Noel Brinkerhoff
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Another casuality of the immigration stupidity and why I call for logical and reasonable answers instead of laws like SB1070 that just make more problems

[zipplewrath]

1. Bonus Army

You have no idea how cruel we can be.

At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, Fort Myer, Virginia, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch the U.S. Army attack its own veterans. The Bonus Marchers, believing the display was in their honour, cheered the troops until Maj. Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them—an action which prompted the civil service spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"

After the cavalry charge the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling this exercise was a Communist attempt at overthrowing the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Hundreds of veterans were injured and several killed—including William Hushka and Eric Carlson. A veteran's wife miscarried. The infant, Bernard Myers, died in the hospital after the incident but reports indicated the death was not caused by the evacuation of the BEF.

[SargeUNN]

2. Yeah I know from first hand experience

I served in both Air Force and Navy, was discharged due to an injury I got in combat training and thankfully it caused my orders to Vietnam to be cancelled and lucky enough for me, those were the last to get orders there. I didn't know at the time but the injury was to become chronic and would end my military career and would actually end several promising careers as well. I got cheated out of my service connected pension for years thanks to the Reagan Admin and finally when I got 1/5 of what I was told I would be discharged at other problems like inner ear deafness thanks to a B52 that almost left me totally deaf was denied even though I spent 2 weeks in the hospital and came one test away from being forced out then.

I have watched my benefits as a Veteran disappear and watched as our "thanks for your service" crowd sits by and refuses to lift their voices or efforts to help us. I even had some workers at the V.A. in Jackson Mississippi tell me to shut up that we were getting a handout and should be glad we are getting the good hearted attention we did nothing to earn. I told them to go to hell after finding out they refused to go into the military.

I have talked with some of these Banished Veteran and have told the story of Fabian a veteran that was awarded a medal of bravery by President Clinton but today is in Mexico and was deported for a bounced check. He even told me that the judge made the statement he had deported many veterans with a smile of pride.

Oh well I guess we veterans should be use to the fact most really don't give a damn about our service and just say it because it is patriotic as long as they do no more.

[Glorfindel]

3. I know what you mean

It only took one visit to the Biloxi VA for me to decide that I'd rather die in the street than avail myself of their "services" ever again. Fortunately, I have been in good health ever since and able to afford my own medical care. Not every veteran is in the same boat. The villification of Al Gore and John Kerry should be enough to demonstrate to everyone how despised (especially) Vietnam veterans are. Well, I never expected any thanks. I went where I was sent and I did what I was told. No combat was included, thank goodness.

[SargeUNN]

4. the failure to discuss and view this topic proves the title I am afraid

I noticed less than 150 viewed this and just a small number of comments tells me we really don't give a damn. Let's just gripe, and solve problems we don't have the knowledge of, hate the other side, after all who wants to solve problems we really can solve.

[Scuba]

5. Just get a little, yellow ribbon and put it in your car window...

...that's all the support the troops need.

[arbusto_baboso]

6. Kipling summed up the attitude best in his poem "Tommy".

(Tommy is the nickname of a British soldier, kinda like GI Joe is to us...)

"Oh, it's 'Tommy this', and 'Tommy that' and "Chuck 'im out, the brute!
But it's 'Saviour of his country' when the guns begin to shoot."

All this "support the troops" stuff is bullshit. Most Americans don't really care, never have, and never will, despite all the fucking yellow ribbon magnets on their cars.

[pinboy3niner]

7. A story about banished veterans

Barton Kunstler, Ph.D..Author, "The Hothouse Effect"
Posted: January 13, 2010 04:14 PM

Banished and Betrayed

"Banished veterans." The phrase shouldn't make sense. Someone joins the military, fights in a war, returns home, and then is banished? Thankfully, this can't happen here...

But it is happening here. Thousands of men and women who have risked their lives in the country's wars have been deported or are living under the threat of deportation because they committed non-violent crimes that often wouldn't warrant serving jail time. Many of these vets suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), a condition often overlooked by our nation's health care system.

These vets can be deported because they are not U.S. citizens. Gabriel Delgadillo, a Vietnam veteran, committed a burglary in 1988. Eight years later, burglary was declared a deportable offense. Only then, in a retroactive application of the new law, was he deported, leaving behind a wife and seven children. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) officially deplored Delgadillo's deportation in May, 1999, stating:


These harsh new measures have now snared immigrants who spilled their blood for our country. As the INS prepares to deport these American veterans, we have not even been kind enough to thank them for their service with a hearing to listen to their story and consider whether, just possibly, their military service or other life circumstances outweigh the government's interest in deporting them.

Read More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barton-kunstler-phd/veterans-banished-and-bet_b_421828.html