Watch the BP Cam! Thread #6

[gateley]

It's been a nailbiter for 5 whole threads!

Thread 4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8461100&mesg_id=8461100

Here's a camera link to get you started: http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill

And, also available on cnn.com, msnbc.com, bp.com (some are clearer than others) and folks add their fave links and links to great info frequently.

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[jaxx]

1. Round 6

Jaws vs oil

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[NYC_SKP]

2. Kick.

Kind of in limbo, so far as I can tell.

The shear has been lifted from the riser, may come in for another bite at it, maybe in a different spot?

:shrug:

[lamp_shade]

3. Here's the INVALUABLE link NYC-SKP posted in the previous thread.

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwellstechupdatelong053110.htm

[HughMoran]

6. Yes! I agree - watch the entire clip - it's extremely good info.

:D

[gateley]

8. Yes! I'm going to watch it again during this "intermission". nt

[RKP5637]

21. Extremely informative, just watched it all. THANKS!!! n/t

[dipsydoodle]

4. Surely the director

could've found a better cast or least a narrator with a distinctive voice like Kathryn Hepburn or James Mason. :(

[flamingdem]

5. Wonder why the Chomper is having difficulties

Plus the drill pipe is still inside the riser, no?
That's a lot of chomp required.

[HughMoran]

7. Wimpy little chomper couldn't get it done :D

[gateley]

9. Ha! nt

[drm604]

10. Nothin' but water

:shrug:

[jaxx]

11. I'll be back later.

Need sleep.......and I bet I'm not the only one.

[lamp_shade]

12. Go ahead. We'll watch your stuff.

[gateley]

38. ...

:)

[pinboy3niner]

13. Uh...your timing kinda sucks lol

Remember Chicken Little and the boy who cried, "Wolf!"

Hope something happens soon to redeem you:)

[drm604]

14. There was lots happening a short time ago.

Don't blame gateley.

[pinboy3niner]

22. Just joshing. Obviously, he's a victim of circumstance. nt

[drm604]

49. I knew.

Just thought I should point it out.

[gateley]

23. Story of my life!

:7 :hi:

[NYC_SKP]

15. It looks like the camera ROV is headed topside.

Just a guess.

:shrug:

[drm604]

16. That's what I was thinking.

Everything in the water appears to be moving downward.

Also, it's getting lighter.

[drm604]

17. Out of the water?

There are what appear to be water droplets on the lens. It's apparently either on the surface or in an air pocket in some equipment.

[NYC_SKP]

18. Drops on camera lens = out of water. nt

[drm604]

19. Something was moving.

[drm604]

20. All gone.

:cry:

[drm604]

24. Apparently they're giving up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4407174

:cry:

[gateley]

25. Okay - just re-tuning in. What's that stuff billowing out? What

are we looking at? I'm guessing it's not time for the cap yet, right?

[NYC_SKP]

26. AFAIK, a primary ROV was hoisted topside. Now we're just watching the leak.

They may be fitting different tools to the ROV at the surface, so the shearing process is on hold for now.

Just my best guess.

:shrug:

[gateley]

33. Sounds reasonable to me. nt

[drm604]

27. What are you guys looking at?

All I see is a test screen, just colored bars.

[gateley]

36. Looking at something bobbing around - if you're still just getting

bars, try this link:

http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill

Others can explain what we're looking at, I'm the worst.

[drm604]

28. Now the video is back.

Bloomberg has reported that they are abandoning efforts to stop it until the relief well is done.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4407174

[NYC_SKP]

30. Different article contradicts the bloomberg article.

I think the bloomberg article leaves the wrong impression.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10198201.stm

This one says success expected in 24 hours for LMRP solution.

[pinboy3niner]

34. Thanks for pointing out that the Bloomberg headline is MISLEADING

Your link and other stories give a more accurate picture of what is actually going on.

[gateley]

40. When they gave the amended "between Wednesday and Saturday"

estimate of when they exptected to attempt the LMRP action, I figured it would be Saturday at the earliest. But, to me, anyway, it sure seems like they're zipping along, and they've been successful in the varied actions we've been watching.

OR... maybe they meant they don't know if it will WORK until then. Any idea on how soon after the LMRP is placed that we'll be able to see the results?

And, as long as I'm here asking, the "up to 20% temporary increase" in flow -- I took that to mean after the cut and before the LMRP is attached, do I have that right? That if the LMRP is successful, it will staunch the flow somewhat allowing for collection of the oil???

My head hurts.

[NYC_SKP]

44. You are correct. The 20% increase is after the cut and before successful completion of LMRP...

...after which they are not promising no leaks whatsoever, but are able to say with some certainty that leakage will be appreciably reduced from what we've seen over the past weeks.

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[Feron]

Top hat 2 is still a go..just no BOP on BOP.nt

[flamingdem]

42. Thanks for the clarification nt

[Cleita]

31. Black oil just pouring out.

What's next and who can we believe? If the MSM throws everything out there in the hopes something sticks, who can we believe? Is the White House having up to date news briefings on this? They should be having them on a regular basis daily.

[Feron]

29. CNN is showing the cutter sitting on the riser...

for those that don't want plume watch.

[tosh]

35. That looks to me like the diamond cutter.

[Feron]

39. ABC has a clearer stream than CNN....link:

http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=6046305

[tosh]

45. Nice...thanks!

[flamingdem]

32. It's GOOD NEWS that they are either rethinking or not going forward

there are too many unknowns, imho


As you saw with the side picture of the riser,it was cutting off a lot of the flow.

The CNN guy just stated the same thing..

[gateley]

37. Are you saying they shouldn't attempt the top hat?

I think they should. If they're successful, think of how many gallons WON'T be gurgling into the Gulf between now and when they complete the relief well(s).

[flamingdem]

41. There is no guarentee it won't muck up the works even more

Right now the bend in the riser pipe is cutting back a large percent of flow. Once that's gone the extra capturing might not make up the difference.

BP said 20%. We've learned not to trust their numbers... Also if the unknown happens and the BOP is further destroyed that could impact the relief well, or I've read as much, whow knows.

[flamingdem]

43. Now I read they say no to the second BOP idea, the top cap is still on

but I hold that this is risky and worsening things is a possible outcome especially with BP in charge.

[gateley]

47. I think Allen was referring to the top kill kind of action. Everything

they try is risky but there's a chance we can do something before the relief wells are ready.

BP also has experts advising from other companies and scientists, engineers, etc. It's in their best interest to stop/improve this situation asap because the longer the oil flows unabated, the more $$$ they'll have to pay. They've got incentive to get it right and try any feasible solution.

Why do you think this is riskier?

EDIT -- oops, I read your second post first. Now I understand why you feel this might be a worse problem. Gotta think on this a while.

[Feron]

46. Quick and dirty cap of the leak..

5k barrels a day my ass..

[gateley]

48. I know. The government and others have called BS on their "estimates". nt

[NYC_SKP]

50. New strap(s) on the riser?

Hoping to see another shot at use of the shear before too long.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=6046305

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[gateley]

52. Thanks for the link - mine is just showing the flow. PLEASE tell me

that's not just a rope and duct tape. :) That's sure what it looks like to me.

[NYC_SKP]

54. What they call "wire rope". We call it "cable". Not duct tape.

Duct tape is for ducts, and, well, kidnappings?

The tape they use is some serious shit, more akin to gaffer's tape.

[gateley]

51. Boy, if I were BP I'd be HATING having to show that leak gushing

out oil. And it just keeps coming and coming and coming...

[drm604]

53. Positioning the saw.

[NYC_SKP]

56. Damn. Well, there will be either three such cuts or seven, to remove those smaller pipes.

AFAIK, they've only removed one so far.

If they plan to remove all four peripheral pipes before using the shear, we may not see that action til after dark.

And the diamond wire saw some time tomorrow.

:shrug:

[Cleita]

55. .

:kick:

[drm604]

57. Cutting...

[NYC_SKP]

58. Why does the MSM want to call this "Cut and Cap"? Is LMRP too hard to spell?

Good lord, like it's not confusing enough for laypeople.

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[Gin]

59. dueling saw blades

[flamingdem]

63. It's BP PR apparently ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8463972

[NYC_SKP]

64. I saw that.

I'm staying out of the fight over it, but I haven't seen the term used on any BP pages or anything.

Who knows?

Stopping this leaking is what counts.

Until the relief well hit's it's target, and there's no guarantee that'll work, the LMRP needs to go forward!

[drm604]

60. At some point during this cutting,

won't oil start spewing out and obscure their view? :shrug:

[drm604]

61. At some point during this cutting,

won't oil start spewing out and obscure their view? :shrug:

[drm604]

62. Now we have 2 saws.

A duet!

[NYC_SKP]

65. Just want to drop these two image in for any newcomers.

Right now they're using diamond circular saws to cut away pipes that are not the primary riser pipe.

They seem to have to cut away these peripheral pipes before they can snip the riser with the 46,000 pound shear.

The shear to cut off the riser:



Then they'll use a diamond wire saw to cut off the riser in the horizontal plane just above the BOP:



Interested parties can learn about the whole process by watching this video: http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwellstechupdatelong053110.htm

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[jp11]

66. Thank you, all I need now is epic 2001 theme music.

[pinboy3niner]

67. Great post! That's a lot clearer than some MSM reports

Keep up the good work!:toast:

:hi:

[lamp_shade]

68. Now THAT'S a Saw. Eeeeeeeyiii

[lamp_shade]

69. Is he trying to maybe tighten the blade or something? That looks like some kind of chuck thingie.

Did I just say "he"?

[gateley]

70. You're like people who name their Roombas! nt

[lamp_shade]

71. I had to look up "roomba".

[gateley]

74. Seriously, I read the reviews on their website when I was thinking

of getting one "We love our Mr. French" "Don't know how I managed without my little buddy". :7

[global1]

72. I've Been Fascinated By This Underwater Video Link & Surprised By The Clarity Of The......

water at a mile down. The visibility is crystal clear (except for the occasional oil plume). I'm also surprised that we don't see any signs of sea life in any of the pictures. I realize that there is a lot going on down there and the equipment and lights might frighten the sea life but I would think we would see something.

[gateley]

75. There's a cool shot of orange jellyfish floating by -- I'll see if I can

find the link.

[gateley]

77. Orange jellyfish!

http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,68178.3885.html

[Junkdrawer]

73. OK: This is funny...

Seeing that this will probably fail just like everything else BP has tried thus far (a bottom kill is probably the only thing thats going to stop this) And seeing that the coolest part about this whole disaster is watching these ROV's operating under a mile of water, can't we just wait out the completion of the relief wells and set up steel cage matches between these ROVs. Atleast we could be entertained while watching the Gulf become a dead zone.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6541#comment-636656

[RoyGBiv]

76. +1

I think that's the first time I've actually laughed about anything related to this.

[global1]

78. When They Cut Off The Riser In The Horizontal Plane Just Above The BOP......

I hear that more oil will gush out until they cap this off. My question is will the resultant oil flow cause them lack of visibility to achieve the capping? Seems to me that if more oil flows out that it could make the visibility of the area - even with the lights of the ROV's untenable. Could anybody weigh in on this.

Also it may be time to move this to Thread #7.

[NYC_SKP]

81. A few things about that question:

The increased output is said to be 20%, not much more.

Visibility won't likely be much worse than it's been, and it's been pretty good.

It'll be coming out of a more uniform opening, which might be helpful.

The crude seems to be somewhat less dense than the water at that depth, thus rising rather than hanging about.

The crude doesn't mix with water, so we shouldn't expect to see clouding as we did with the kill mud during Top Kill.

I expect it will be doable!

[lamp_shade]

79. Looks like "Jaws" is coming back down. Maybe they sharpened the blades.

[lamp_shade]

80. Looks like it's going after that same section of pipe it was gnawing on before.

[HughMoran]

82. I hope with the other pipes out of the way it's appetite will be better

;)

[NYC_SKP]

83. I've posted "Watch the BP Cam! Thread #7". Link below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8465178

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