Rock band Rush says Rand Paul's campaign can't use its songs

[JohnnyLib2]

/www.courier-journal.com/article/20100602/NEWS01/6020413


And good for them................

[SpiralHawk]

1. * Rush DraftDodger Limbaugh (R) says: "MORE MORE MORE tax cuts for republicon fat cats."

[Syrinx]

2. Way to go, Amazing Canadian Trio!

While primary lyricist Neil Peart flirted with the works of Ayn Rand in the past, they've more recently described themselves as "left-leaning libertarians."

Good for Neil, Geddy and Alex.

BTW, why do people write like this?

It turns out the campaign wasn't using the music with the band's permission

Wouldn't it be clearer to say "The campaign was using the music without permission?"

[jobycom]

3. Maybe they mean "the campaign wasn't using the music and had the band's permission not to."

:shrug:

[Syrinx]

4. I know. That's what it sounds like.

And I also know that I sometimes post idiotic-sounding things on DU. But I have an excuse. I don't have editors. :)

EDIT: Just self-edited. I saw that I had referred to that person as "Any Rand."

[jobycom]

5. You also aren't paid to write thoughts that aren't unclear, ambiguous, and not unconfusing.

:)

[Syrinx]

6. .

:rofl:

[TZ]

25. self-delete

[vi5]

7. What's interesting/ironic about this...

...is that Neil Peart who wrote many of their early/mid period lyrics was hugely influenced by Ayn Rand. I'm not sure of his politics or if he just liked her writing or select ideas of her. But still if I remember my high school geeky Rush fandom this is or was the case.

[Syrinx]

8. he grew up

That's all.

[ixion]

12. Neil Pert talked a bit about his political beliefs

in a drumming DVD he put out. He is no neocon, I assure you.

[notesdev]

9. In all fairness

The songs in question are well over 25 years old and should have already moved into the public domain, had the music industry cartel not bribed our representatives to change this longstanding principle and law. If we were not living at the bottom of a cultural abyss (try to name a truly great piece of music from the last 20 years) the industry would be concentrating on selling NEW product, not the endless recycling of products released a generation or more ago.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Maybe he can use this tune??????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy710cwqgWM

[spiritual_gunfighter]

11. Weird

Because 2112 is a concept album based on the writings of Ayn Rand.

[notesdev]

13. How so?

I am very very familiar with 2112 (can quote the lyrics to the entire album by heart), and somewhat familiar with Ann Rand (as much as the endless drone of a book as I could stand to read), and I don't see the connection at all.

I always thought 2112 was about bureaucracy-as-religion, and how central planning kills human creativity.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

14. Famous Followers of Ayn Rand and Philosophy of Objectivism

Neil Peart

Canadian rocker Neil Peart may seem an unlikely objectivist, but it only shows how widespread the philosophy of Ayn Rand's has come. The drummer for Rush has incorporated the objectivist philosophy into both song lyrics and album design as a member of Rush. The album 2112 (Rush's first real smash) was deeply seeded with Rand tributes. From the dedication "to the genius of Ayn Rand" to the dystopian future depicted in the song
2112, the album is steeped with objectivist symbolism. Even the now famous Starman logo, which first appeared on 2112, was described by Peart as being man against the masses with the red star symbolizing collectivist mentality. The title and theme of another Ayn Rand work, the novella Anthem, was used as source material for the song of the same name on the album Fly By Night.

http://www.infobarrel.com/Famous_Followers_of_Ayn_Rand_and_Philosophy_of_Objectivism

[sendero]

15. It's no surprise..

.... and its well known that Peart is a Randian. That's an explanation, but not an excuse for thier shitty half-assed prog rock.

I love prog rock. I HATE Rush.

[scheming daemons]

16. Peart grew up a LOT since then

The last 20 years his lyrics have been quite ANTI-Randian.

Listen to Territories. Listen to Red Tide.

Listen to anything and EVERYTHING on the last 5 albums.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

19. Do I have to? n/t

[notesdev]

18. "influenced by" is not the same as "based on"

"influenced by" I can see... but the actual story itself needs no Randian literature to explain it, it's a fairly classic type of tale about an innocent individual being crushed by a despotic regime. The words "based on" denote a direct connection... there is no "John Galt" or other Randian figure in 2112.

[jimmy_dun]

20. 2112 is based on Ayn Rand's "Anthem"

If you read the book Anthem & the 2112 lyrics its pretty clear. The guy who finds the guitar is the character in the book.

From wikipedia:

"On the album, Neil Peart credits "the genus of Ayn Rand." Rand, a Russian-born American novelist and Objectivist philosopher, wrote a novella entitled Anthem (itself adopted as the title of another Rush song, from the album Fly By Night) from which Peart borrowed the broad strokes of the plot."

for the record....

[notesdev]

21. Which character?

Maybe I don't remember the book all that well (it was a hard slog of a read and quite some time ago), but I know the 2112 story by heart and I just don't see the parallels. Does a main character from Rand's novel commit suicide because the world is inhospitable to what he perceives as beautiful? Because that's what the protagonist in 2112 does.

[notesdev]

22. Cool, thanks

Never read that one, thought people were referring to "Atlas Shrugged". Her stuff is such a slog to read, seems all her work would be improved by leaving 2/3rds of the words on the cutting room floor.

[jimmy_dun]

26. dusty

Anthem is very short, compared to her famous ones.....can't recall the details though, its been 30 years since I read it. Glad to hear Neil isn't drinking the coolaid.....

[scheming daemons]

17. Written in 1976, when Peart was 24 years old. He changed dramatically since then

[TZ]

24. Yeah.

Nobody I know changes political believes at all in 30 years...:sarcasm:
Isn't it amazing how all the Rush haters bash stuff done years ago and totally ignore the fact that the music and philosophies have changed quite a bit over time...

[DevonRex]

23. Well, at least Rush put one good thing out. :) nt

[david13]

27. I have read some of Neil's books. He did not like the song

"Okie from Muscougie".
So I can see this.
I am familiar with none, absolutely none of their music?
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