Why are people so damned surprised?

[MadHound]

Elton John plays for Limbaugh's wedding, and people are shocked. Carville attends said nuptials, and people are pissed.

Why?

These are the elites people, whose ties that bind, money and power, mean more than mere politics. Much like the collegial atmosphere that permeates D.C., there is a similar sort of relationship among the elites. If you have money and/or power it really doesn't matter what your politics are, you're in the club, you're a member, and you will be treated with respect.

That is why John played, and Carville attended, they're now part of the club. Sure, John might blast Limbaugh at a later date, as Limbaugh might blast him, but really, it's all part of a game for these people. Besides, these people have more important ties that bind them, again money and power, than political views that divide them.

Now one thing that I have noticed is that the one divide that still means something in the world of wealth and power, namely old wealth vs. new wealth, wasn't crossed at Limbaugh's wedding, at least not that I know of. All those who attended were first generation money, as opposed to old money, folks like the Carnegies, Harriman's etc.

So please, stop acting so surprised and outraged. This was a get together of the elite, where only money and power matters, not politics.

And that little fact is one of the reasons this country is going to hell.

[laughingliberal]

1. K & R nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Carville doesn't surprise me.

I had hoped Elton John had some self respect at this point in his career.

I'm not about to believe that everybody who's rich and elite is in some sort of loony conspiracy.

[MadHound]

6. It's not a "loony conspiracy,"

It is simply the fact that they are rich and/or powerful. Politics for these people plays second, even third fiddle for these folks. Not everybody who is rich/powerful subscribes to this view, but the vast majority do.

[ginnyinWI]

32. To me, it shows how much of a fraud Limbaugh is!

If he was as ideologically pure and aligned with the Christian Right as he pretends to be, he'd NEVER have hired someone like Elton John to play at his wedding! I mean, what a hypocrite!

Some years back I had him on the radio one day when he was ranting about Kurt Cobain, who was addicted to heroin and killed himself. Anyway, guess what bumper music he was playing every day on his show at that time? Right--it was Cobain's.

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat phoney, a humbug and a fraud. He's only in it for the dough.

[MadHound]

35. I have a theory,

That deep down underneath all that belocosity and blubber, Rush Limbaugh is truly a very liberal person. I don't think that he believes even one half of one percent that he says, that he's simply pulling this stunt in order make money.

I could be wrong, but given his self destructive behavior, it indicates that he is a very conflicted man.

[nxylas]

46. Dunno that I'd go that far

He probably doesn't believe the guff he spouts, but "truly liberal person" is a bit of a stretch, methinks.

[Myrina]

47. I don't think any of them REALLY believe in anything ...

... like Dimson's faux-anti-abortion stance. He could give a rat's ass about abortion, except when it comes to election day.

Politics is rapidly becoming part of the entertainment industry - put on shows and act out roles to have 'opinions' that rile up one side against the other & keeps the common folk from taking a breath, really THINKING & uniting against who the fuck is really screwing them.

[FiveGoodMen]

77. If there were some omniscient accountant to give us the report...

...I think we'd find that the years he's spent lying, inciting hate, and changing the tone of our national discourse have killed -- I mean this very literally! -- millions of people and bankrupted the entire nation.

To say that he's a liberal at heart is like saying that Stalin was a nice guy who's just been misunderstood.

Shorter version: Fuck him for the damage he's done; who cares what that piece of Satan's shit thinks?

[whopis01]

49. He, like Elton John and James Carville, is an entertainer

His goal isn't to effect political change - it is to keep making money by entertaining people.

I'd wager that Limbaugh is happier with Obama in office than with Bush - because he doesn't really give a damn about politics and it just makes his job easier to have a Democrat President to go after.

[Recursion]

52. Do you ever listen to his show? He avoids religious talk like the plague

He never brings it up, and he doesn't like it when his callers do. He's not "aligned with the Christian Right", he's aligned with the "exurban post-Industrail blight Right"

[Echo In Light]

38. Yes. Convergent Intere$ts

[blindpig]

39. Right, economics trumps politics.

The grand illusion in this country is that things are the other way around.

k&r

[Raksha]

48. You're right, it's not a loony conspiracy in itself

but this clubby, fraternal web of relationships among the power elite, where politics don't matter as much as money and clout, is the fertile soil out of which conspiracies can grow. And very often they do.

[MadHound]

83. Yes, conspiracies do grow,

But the fact of the matter is that many conspiracies are true. In fact it is by those very conspiracies that the wealthy and elite retain and grow their position.

[AndyA]

7. That's what I think, too. Carville is a whore who will do/say anything for money.

Look what he sleeps with, for goodness sake!

Not thrilled that anyone would accommodate Limpballs, because he's such a nasty person, but a lot of people were likely there because of his money, not because they care a bit about him.

[John Q. Citizen]

9. It's like how Bill Clinton and Poppy Bush hang out. It's not a loony conspiracy that they enjoy

each others company.

And why wouldn't they. They have a whole lot in common.

In fact they have more in common with each other than they do with you, or me. Which is why they don't hang out with you or me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Riiiiiiight.

[Still Blue in PDX]

11. Ouch. nt

[MadHound]

13. Yep, having lots of money almost automatically means that you have lots in common

With some very sordid people. You want to hang onto your wealth, so you want lower taxes. You don't want your neighborhood, your house overrun with the riff raff, so you gate the community. You want to keep your investment money rolling in, so you want deregulation. Etc. etc.

The thought that Elton John has much, if anything in common with the common man anymore is simply laughable. Sure, he gives money to particular charities and causes, but he's not going to rock the boat because he is in the club, and he wants to stay in the club.

I remember when somebody lambasted Charles Barkley for being a Republican, stating that it was the party of rich folks. Barkley shot back, saying that he was now rich, and being rich it made sense to be a 'Pug.

Money changes things, quite drastically.

[shanti]

19. hmmm, oprah winfrey

i wonder if SHE went to his wedding. she and elton john are very close friends. somehow, i don't see neil young ever performing at a wedding for one such as limpballs, and he's rich as croesus himself. elton john lost major points with me for this move :(

[MadHound]

22. Winfrey may not have gone to this wedding,

But I know for a fact that she is friends with the Laurie's and Kroenke's (part of the Walton family of WalMart fame). I used to live next door to the Laurie's and heard her announced as a guest more than one time at their midsummer's eve parties.

It's all a club, the club of the rich and/or powerful. Yeah, Young may not hang with that crowd, but he's one of the few.

[arcadian]

37. Mickey Hart and Bob Weir of the Dead are members of Bohemian Grove

I wonder how many people would be surprised to learn that?

[Warren DeMontague]

89. Which means they either go up there and worship satan & sacrifice babies under an owl statue

or, all the overblown bleating about the Bohemian Grove is just that. :shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

90. The only thing Bob needs to apologize for is "Picasso Moon".

If that's not proof of some nefarious conspiracy, I don't know what is.

[JonLP24]

60. That part isn't exactly correct

That was from a conversation with his grandma, "I made a joke with my grandmother one time. I was asking her, 'Why are we Democrats?' She said, 'Republicans are only for rich people.' And I said, 'I'm rich.' And she hasn't given me a viable answer."
http://www.slate.com/id/2074459

He didn't say he was Republican because he was rich. I think he was a Republican in the 90's but he's been an Independent for quite some time and recently supported Barack Obama for President. He says the, "Republicans are full of it. Democrats are a little less full of it."

I'm very familiar with this conversation as I've heard it many times, more recently when he was on Larry King during the Presidential election cycle and it's often misquoted and used to say that he is a Republican which isn't what he said.

[mikita]

15. amen!

[liberation]

57. You know that W must have some big time issues realizing his dad hangs with Clinton

in order to fantasize about what ifs with the son he never had.


Even an evil fuck as Poppy Bush must have realized a while back what monumental cadre of morons his sperm spewed onto the world. I think he is using Clinton to do some weird father-son fetish, in which the son is not a monumental fuck up. I think Clinton has the opposite crap, given he did not have a father figure in the picture.

Sick and dysfunctional if you think about it...

[wolfgangmo]

68. Ummmmm.

Elton John and self respect. Does anyone besides me find these two terms clashing?

Elton has always been a whore. And words fail me in describing Rush Limpballs.

[stopbush]

3. Yep. AND - they seem to hold the most respect for the most-outragerously

compensated among them.

That also is a game they play, as in, "can you fucking believe what I get paid for doing what amounts to nothing?"

[Uzybone]

4. KnR

almost everyone in elite of mainstream media and culture plays the rest of us for fools.

[mikita]

5. similarly,

why are people so damned surprised they've been sold down the river by elected officials? Really, why did so many fall for "Change"?


EVERYTHING you just pointed out holds for Demo-lights as well. In my humble opinion, of course.

[me b zola]

8. K&R

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. History 101 actually... or rather that is graduate school

level material. For some reason in the US nobody really covers elite formation and survival.

[MadHound]

18. Well, that's probably because to truly cover the elite, you have to be one yourself

And if you're one yourself, do you really want to rock the boat. The vast majority don't.

About the only other way to cover the elite's club is to be one of the really, really little people that they use up and discard. A servant perhaps, or perhaps something more sordid. I knew a kid, long, long ago, who was a gigolo. I met him at the homeless shelter I volunteered at, and the stories he had about the local chapter of the rich/powerful club were quite interesting. But if you are such a little person, you take a great risk by telling all, personal destruction, even death. Not many people are willing to take that kind of risk.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Alas these subjects are actually studied

in other countries. The US depends on myth creation and one of those powerful myths, which studying this would shatter, is that we all live in a pretty egalitarian country. Your and my lying eyes might tell us otherwise. But the myth is as powerful as the Horatio Alger, pull by bootstraps, myth. They go hand in hand. If people admitted that these people exist...

On the other hand in other countries we all know it is about who you know, who goes to bed with whom and where the deals are made. Golf these days is popular, as well as a game of cards.

A few times judges will drop the book at the kids, what we used to call Juniors, but that is rare.

Same shit here... just that we like to believe otherwise. But that is breaking, when you have Tweety talking about how the place is starting to look like those other countries, where who you know matters, the cracks are deep now.

Oh and the marriage of the year, for the social pages... didn't surprise me... what shocked me is that our papers no longer do the who was where during the hot wedding at the socials... when I go down to Mexico City I spend a good few hours studying them, for clues as to who is who in the zoo.

[amborin]

58. they're studied here in the US; whole rooms full of tomes & articles

[blindpig]

40. Well, there is our Hanna Bell...

She's done quite a bit here and elsewhere. The marriage alliances are every bit as byzantine as the European aristocracy, indeed, there are many connections there.

[BadgerKid]

14. "You and I are not in The big club."

R.I.P. George Carlin

[fascisthunter]

16. it's called selling out

unless one doesn't have principles... and I'm not surprised.

[treestar]

17. I've often wondered if they aren't friends

offstage, so to speak - this seems to prove that.

Like Elton knows Rush doesn't really care about his own alleged opinions, they are just for entertainment (as Rushbo often says).

[Atticus]

20. As George Carlin said of those who run the country:

"It's a Big Club, and you ain't in it!"

[Missy Vixen]

21. THANK YOU

Your post above encapsulates the first though I had when I read Elton John played at that wedding.

It's all about money and power, and yeah, the old money wouldn't be caught dead at that wedding. Those with first generation money involved will do nothing to imperil their "masters of the universe" status like disassociating themselves from people who actually disagree with them. It's all about "go along to get along".

:eyes:

[donheld]

24. That doesn't mean we should sit quietly in the corner and not bitch about it.

[MadHound]

26. You can complain about it if you wish,

But the fact is you shouldn't be surprised by this. These are the rich and elite, they're in the big club, the one you and I don't get to belong to. These things happen, and will continue to happen. Might as well get used to them. After all, I suspect that once Obama is out of office, we'll be seeing a lot of him being buddy, buddy with Bush the Younger.

[TBF]

28. Absolutely -

we already see all the Clinton/Bush Sr. photo ops as the jet around the world together doing "charitable work". Blah. Not such a "big" club though - I would say it's a pretty small club. There are many more of us than them. If only we would realize that!

[Duppers]

25. there are variants to that 'rule' ...

No such thing as a rich democrat?

Here: John Grisham, Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda,
Andrew A. Athens of Chicago, president of the Metron Steel Corporation.
Marvin Davis of Los Angeles, film executive.
Thomas A. Dennis of Chicago, head of 20th Century Fox.
Barry Diller of Los Angeles,
John Freidenrich of Cupertino, Calif., lawyer and entrepreneur.
Mitchell D. Kapor of Cambridge, Mass., president of a computer consulting company.
John R. Koza of Las Vegas, chairman of Scientific Games Inc.
Carl H. Lindner of Cincinnati, financial holding company executive.
Stuart G. Moldaw of Menlo Park, Calif., businessman.
Bernard J. O'Keefe of Wayland, Mass., chairman of a high tech company.
Arthur Ortenberg of New York, vice chairman of Liz Claiborne Inc.
Milan Panic of Costa Mesa, Calif., chairman of ICN Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Daniel Rose of New York, real estate developer.
Steven J. Ross of New York, chairman of Warner Communications Inc.
Ronald Rubin of Penn Valley, Pa., real estate developer.
Madeline Russell of Atherton, Calif.
Herbert Simon of Indianapolis, real estate developer.
Charles E. Smith of Arlington, Va., real estate developer.
Linda A. Smith of La Jolla, Calif.
Angelo K. Tsakopoulos of Sacramento, real estate developer.
Leo S. Wyler of Los Angeles, former chairman of an aerospace design company.
Billionaire Democrat: Warren Buffet.
Billionaire: George Sorros.
Sergey Brin, Democrat, Billionaire.
Larry Page, Democrat, Billionaire
Charles Koch, Democrat, Billionaire
Kirk Kerkorian, Democrat, Billionaire
Abigail Johnson, Democrat, Billionaire
Ballmer, Steven, Democrat, Billionaire


I'd like to think that money is incapable of corrupting everyone. Of the few millionaire friends I have, everyone single of 'em's a democrat.

[wolfgangmo]

71. I guess these days you get more bang for your buck when you buy a dem.

It makes sense. Today's dem would be indistinguishable from yesterdays John Birch Society member. So if the Dems are offering more favorable legislation for politician bought, then yah, if I was stinkin rich, then I would declare myself a dem in a heartbeat.


And honestly, charles Koch of Koch industries? A dem maybe. A progressive - not a chance.

[TBF]

27. Their "political views" are the bind -

It is the cultural views that separate them, such as their views on gay marriage or environmental policies. But you hit it right on the mark with your assessment that it is their economic power that binds them. I would argue that politics=economics, and don't muddy it up with all the other stuff. If you've got serious money none of the rest matters anyway, you just do what you want. It has been going on for years (maybe forever) in this country - everyone of lower economic status runs around fighting back and forth about this or that pet issue, while the elites laugh all the way to the bank. The gap between rich & poor grew far larger under the last 8 years of Bush (and has never been so wide going back until probably the gilded age of the 20's or so) - that is what you've captured with this post and you are 100% correct.

[tomp]

29. i understand class theory, ok?

but according to your oversimplified presentation we could expect dylan or the stones to have been there, too.

no fucking way! it's not just about the money.

i am truly surprised elton john was there, and i'm not naive.

carville is a whole other story.

[MadHound]

30. Well, given some of the gigs that the Stones have played,

I wouldn't have been surprised. Dylan, well, perhaps twenty five, thirty years ago when he was going through his born again phase.

But the fact of the matter is that money matters, a lot. No, it's not just about the money, but money does play a huge part. Having lots of money puts you into an exclusive club, where money matters more than politics. After all, most of those who have obscene amounts of money start to develop a certain mindset, a certain worldview after a while

You don't think it's just about the money, so answer me, why was John there? Are you going with his lame ass excuse that he's trying to "build bridges?"

Stop being naive, we live in a world of haves and have nots, and the haves are in this chummy little club all their own, and pal around with each other because of the wealth that they have. Politics, personal beliefs all take a back seat to wealth for the vast majority of those inside that club.

[wolfgangmo]

72. Dylan never made that kind of money and the Stones smoked too much weed.

Hell, if you invited the Stones to one of your elite parties, it would be even odds between which member(s) of the band would bang your wife and daughters while getting stoned with them on some real killer bud, but really bad odds of it not happening.


Elton has always been a whore tho'. I'm not surprised at all. He'll go anywhere for a buck.

[earth mom]

31. Agree with you but what I find stunning is that Elton John sold HIMSELF out on this one.

Does he really feel that he is worth so little? A million bucks or a trillion bucks is not enough to sell out your very being and your integrity.

It's pathetic and sad really considering how many people looked up to Elton before he whored himself out to the devil aka Rush Limbaugh.

[MadHound]

33. Considering that John and almost every other first generation person of wealth

Sold themselves out long ago for much less, it doesn't surprise me at all.

John has a mixed bag, he has donated generously to various causes, but he also goes out and plays gigs like Sun City and Limbaugh nuptials.

[ginnyinWI]

34. but he didn't.

By letting Rush hire him, he's only proving that Limbaugh is the whore--that everything Rush says he believes in is phony. Rush Limbaugh should be drawn and quartered by the Right--but they won't have the guts to do it.

[liberation]

55. Pssst.... the "whore" is the one getting paid, the customer paying for the s"ervice" is the "John"

Regardless of Mr. Dwight's chosen stage name and its irony in this case.

I think you are trying to find a deeper meaning for Elton John's main motivator: personal gain.

[MicaelS]

66. Now wait a minute.....

Let's dissect this a bit.....

So, you claim Elton is a whore because he "sold himself" for $1,000,000 to Limbaugh.....

So, let's say Elton is doing a tour, and in a certain city, he sell 10,000 tickets for $100 each = $1,000,000.

The city is overwhelming Republican, say 80%, so there's a good chance the audience is overwhelming Republican.

So he just collected $1,000,000 for getting paid to do what he does, sing and play, by a bunch of Republicans, instead of one.

So, if Elton is a whore because he sold himself for $1,000,000 to only ONE Republican, is he still a whore if he knowingly sells to a bunch?

Is it the amount of money paid in toto by a group, the amount of money paid in a lump sum, or is it the cost per person?

Is the number of people the determining factor?

Because what you're REALLY saying is artists should perform an ideological litmus test on their audience before performing. Isn't it?

Or should the test be performed on a single individual, as opposed to a group? What's the difference?

And BTW, it is NOT pathetic and sad. That $1,000,000 can do a lot for people with AIDs, even if the money came from the devil himself. Dirty money CAN be put to a clean use.

[wolfgangmo]

74. "We are all pimps and we are all ho's. "

- Snoop Dog.


Does that explain the pimp / ho thing for you. We are all pimps and we are all ho's at some point in our lives. Heck at some point in our days, too.

[earth mom]

82. Excuse it all you want. But everyone knows that Limbaugh is a vile lowlife scum of the earth.

There is no way in hell Elton didn't know that and didn't know what Limbaugh stands for.

Which can't be said about the anonymous audiences Elton usually plays for.

Sorry, but I'm sick to death of the crappy excuses all these rich people make for selling their integrity for power and greed.

It's time for all of us to stop excusing these people just because they are famous or have good songs or make great speeches.

I was a huge Elton John fan and I am really disappointed in him because he is NOT who he has portrayed himself to be.

Does he really want to be remembered for selling out like this?!

[MicaelS]

84. If I were Elton John this is precisely what I would say to you....

Go straight to hell. Don't pass GO, don't collect $200.

As an artist, if you pay to see me in concert, what I owe you is to perform my art to the best of my ability. If you buy my CD or download, I owe it to be as world class a recording as technically possible and free from physical or digital defects.

That's it, nothing more. I'd don't owe you a fucking thing outside that. I have no responsibility to cater to ANY of your political, social, economic or religious.... beliefs, whims or prejudices.

You don't like what I say, or stand for, tough shit. Don't put money in my pocket. Take my CDs, and get rid of them. Delete my digital downloads. Don't buy any of my tickets or merchandise. You want to boycott me? Go right ahead, I'm laughing all the way to my next gig, or party, or WTF-ever. I could quit today, and still make more money in one year, after taxes, than you will ever make in your entire life.

I am NOT changing who I am one damn bit to kiss your delicate ass, or avoid offending your delicate sensibilities. At this point in my life, I'm old enough and successful enough, I do not have to compromise one single iota. Not one. Not for you, or anyone.

Finally you sound just like one of those right-wing assholes who boycotted, threatened, and silenced the Dixie Chicks. Because THEY had the temerity to say something that offended those self-same right wing assholes.

As an artist, I owe you my art to the best of my ability, not one damn thing more.

[earth mom]

86. And to that I would tell Elton to go fuck himself.

That little speech (if it were real) would prove that Elton is a greedy sociopathic bastard.

Money does NOT and should NOT trump integrity.

Again, is that what Elton John wants to be remembered for? :puke:

[arcadian]

36. This is the best post about this topic.

K&R

[iamthebandfanman]

41. its always been a class war underneath it all n/t

[Fearless]

42. Why exactly does anyone care??

I understand that it might seem odd that these three people could get together for anything. Great. There are many more important issues than the affairs of the rich and famous. All this pandering about "oh he shouldn't have done that" or "oh it's really no surprise he did this" is just foolish middle school gossip and really isn't news at all.

[MadHound]

43. Well, apparently you care enough to click on this thread and scold me about it,

But hey, what's a little self righteousness among internet acquaintances.

But you're right, being human beings we can't multi-task or hold multiple concepts in our tiny little brains. Besides, we must get back to flagellating ourselves twenty four seven over what is happening in the Gulf, Afghanistan, and/or elsewhere.

Look, I'm simply pointing out what goes on in the big club, that people shouldn't be surprised at John's doing the Limbaugh nuptials gig. If you don't like what I'm saying, fine, don't click on the thread. But scolding me for trying to shed a little light on things, well, sorry, but that's rather assholish.

Sorry that we don't live up to your "Serious Liberal Standard™" but I think that noted activist Emma Goldman probably answered your sentiments best when she said, "If I can't dance I don't want to be in your revolution." IE, if we have to be serious all the time to be in any particular group, well, fuck that.

[Fearless]

85. My point isn't about multi-tasking or dancing...

I believe that this story isn't a story at all and that it is only considered a story because the persons involved are famous. I find that sort of paparazzi idolization to be very light on the content and more worthy of the Lounge than the Big Board. It is my opinion though and I never said you can't have yours, but in the same right I can still have mine. I agree that no one should be surprised at what transpired, but also I don't see why anyone should care. Is it hypocritical of them to be present? Perhaps. I do not know why they chose to attend and I don't care about the goings on for the rich and famous. For the general public, the impetus for caring revolves around their fame, and in my opinion it's rather silly to care about someone solely because of their fame. Still you are able to have your own opinions, but again so am I.

[Papa Boule]

44. Yep. All the rest is just theater. Or just business. K&R. n/t

[FlyByNight]

45. To quote George Carlin...

(paraphrasing), it's a big club and you (we) aren't in it.

So much for principles.

[walldude]

53. +1 My first though was George as well...

Nailed this one..

[liberation]

50. I am sure the old money couldn't make it because they had a previous engagement for that weekened

I heard this year's Bilderberg Group was a blast.

[RaleighNCDUer]

51. A liberal with 50 million dollars has more in common with a conservative with

50 million dollars than he does with a liberal with 50 thousand dollars.

[wolfgangmo]

75. True Dat.

Money will tell, as the old English gentry used to say.

[zeemike]

54. Everyone knows it is true, but pretends it is not so bad.

And it would not be so bad if it weren't for human nature being what it is...money and power corrupts absolutely.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

56. It's wrestling. Carville and Jabba will grab the mic and call each other a POS, etc, etc.

Then the next day they go out do a couple of lines of blow and maybe get an expensive hooker together.

[Blue Owl]

59. It's all business

I'm pretty sure today's politics are more about shiny distraction topics that mask the real shit going on -- like big oil, big pharma, big war taking over everything.

[JonLP24]

61. What about

Poor or middle class Republicans and Democrats that are friends? I only ask you this because you mention an elite club where this kind of thing takes place.

I had a friend (still is but I'll get into that) that I didn't know he was Republican at first. Then 2 years later politics came up and I learned that he was Republican. I didn't stop visiting him but lately I hardly ever see him because he is busy taking care of an infant.

With that said, Rush Limbaugh is far more a horrible person than that friend I mentioned so I could never, ever, imagine myself as buddies with Limbaugh. :puke:

[wolfgangmo]

76. The elite use others.

So you are used and your repub friend who is struggling is used. The only difference is the public face they put on your oppression. In your case Obama and in your friends it would be Bush (formerly) and Palin (presumably).

Get it. You're a ho out husslin' yo ass for the man and so is your friend.






"Get me my money bitches" - Rush Limpballs

[closeupready]

62. Carnegies and Harrimans aren't considered old money.

Old money is REALLY old money. Like the Biddles' money.

But aside from that, I agree with your OP.

[D23MIURG23]

63. I guess principle is one of those things that looses meaning when you have infinite privilage.

Politics are more meaningful when you aren't wealthy enough to exempt yourself from the powers of law and economy.

Its sadly and disgustingly predictable.

[wolfgangmo]

78. If you have principle.

They you can't stomach stealing enough to become one of the elite. Behind every fortune is a crook.

Every time I think about window OS, I think about highway theft. Just sayin'.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

64. The only thing that surprises me about Limpballs' wedding is that

the bride attended.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

65. Really!

lol...he goes through wives like shit through a goose.

[Greyhound]

67. Admitting that 'our' heroes are no more ours than 'theirs' are theirs leads to the inevitable

conclusion that all there is, is them (the rich) vs. us (everybody else). Then you have to face the reality that we either have to fight them or be further enslaved by them.

"There is a class war going on, and it's my class, the rich class, that's waging it and we're wining" - Warren Buffet 1998

[wolfgangmo]

80. Funny that Buffet has stopped saying that.

I wonder what they threatened him with for that monumental slip up.


"Hey Warren, read the fucking Rich Asshole Guidebook again. Rule number 16 - never mention the class war we are waging. Get with the program you douche or we'll colapse your company and kill your wife."

[Greyhound]

81. He was selling a book and on tour, so he said it in various forms over and over.

:kick:

[Warren DeMontague]

88. Someone's hero is Elton John? What, exactly, progressive cred does he have other than being gay?

There are plenty of musicians- yes, rich and famous ones, too- who have held fast to their integrity and values.

U2. Radiohead. Bruce Springsteen. Wilco. A Little Band From Athens, Georgia.



To name just a few.

[freeperhuntersRus]

69. Carville went to his wedding?

I hadn't heard that. Is this Limbaughs 5th wife?

[kimmerspixelated]

70. Madhound's right!

Still it is disconcerting to have EJ at Limpballs wedding, but the truth is, I doubt Limpballs actually believes half of what he says. A lot of it is to just be outrageous, dangerous as he is. Outrageously dangerous.

[Geek_Girl]

73. I think it means Rush is so full of Crap that he doesn't even believe in

the homophobic anti democrat crapola that he spews on the air. He's a sham.

[skeptical cynic]

79. Money and Power

I'm never surprised to see the rich organize around their wealth.

I'm working toward the day workers organize around their poverty.

[Warren DeMontague]

87. I'd be surprised if Michael Stipe played.

Elton John, eh, not so much.


He lost me when he started with all the disney soundtracks, and did that goofy thing with pasting new words all over his Marilyn song for Princess Di.