Howard Dean today at conference says Democrats need to remember who put them in office.

[madfloridian]

The America's Future Now conference is going on in DC this week. Dean was in a seminar today.

From the Washington Post:

We are done with putting people in office who then forget who got them there

As Arkansas Democrats go to the polls Tuesday to determine the fate of Sen. Blanche Lincoln, a moderate Democrat under siege from liberals, former Vermont governor Howard Dean said the progressive movement is finished with supporting Democrats who demoralize the party's left wing.

Dean, in a fiery speech Tuesday at the America's Future Now conference, gave voice to frustrations on the left that President Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress have not used their big majorities to pursue a more progressive agenda. "We are done with putting people in office who then forget who got them there," said Dean, a former Democratic National Committee chairman.

"You did your job," Dean added. "You elected Barack Obama. You elected a Democratic Congress. You elected a Democratic Senate. And now it's time for them to behave like Democrats if they want to get reelected. They have forgotten where they came from -- and they haven't been here that long."

Dean echoed other progressive leaders who opened the conference Monday, expressing dismay, even anger, at the White House and Congress, saying they have been too timid and compromising on issues such as health care, the economy, climate change and banking reform.

Amen.

[FiveGoodMen]

1. Needs to be said!

[happygoluckytoyou]

79. for LINCOLN then, this would be the White House...certainly not the UNION

[DebbieCDC]

2. Howard rocks

[mod mom]

12. +1!

[peace frog]

55. Hell yes!

I love that man. :loveya:

[Donnachaidh]

link not working -- ????? n/t

[RKP5637]

10. I think this is the link the OP was referencing...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/08/AR2010060802564.html

[Donnachaidh]

16. thanks! n/t

[madfloridian]

20. Thanks. I redid it. Not sure what was wrong. Works now.

[Bitwit1234]

3. Yep sure does, over and over and over.

The big corporations didn't vote for them...we did.

[nichomachus]

6. Yeah, but

with enough money, they can buy the barrage of TV ads that gets people to vote for them. They don't care about votes any more -- only money.

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. K&R for Howard Dean and REAL Democrats!

This country would be so much better off today, if he had been sworn in as President in early 2005, rather than DNC chair. Though he did an awesome job there too - only to see it pissed away by the current regime :evilfrown:

[xxqqqzme]

44. I was just thinking about that.

The DNC has fallen far in the last 2 years. It has all but disappeared except for the 'surveys' I receive every six weeks. I continue to send them back w/ the note that I only donate to my local congressional candidates because they don't or won't.

[MissDeeds]

49. Could not agree more

Howard is the real deal, not some corporate puppet who enables Wall Street and treats unions with contempt. The country would be in a much better place if he'd been elected.

[mistertrickster]

101. Whoa, think about a Dean victory in 2004 and what it would've meant for America.

It almost makes you want to cry . . .

[MissDeeds]

107. Yep

And your sig line makes me want to cry...What might have been.

:hi:

[emilyg]

88. +100

[laughingliberal]

5. K & R nt

[saracat]

7. K+R But I doubt they will. Nada so far.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. The trouble is, they do remember who put them there..Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Banks.....

[madfloridian]

25. I think you may be right about way too many of them.

[bobbolink]

99. We are throwaways... they only need us for votes every 2-4 years,

The fact that they are now shunning us so completely says to me they are figuring out how to make it work without our votes.

[Capitalocracy]

127. Well, that's what happens when we support them unconditionally

BP STANDS FOR BALLOT POISON

Pledge not to vote for any candidates receiving campaign donations from BP in 2010.

Petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/bp2010/petition.html



Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=113423272036102

Twitter: @bpballotpoison

[RKP5637]

9. Broken link... n/t

[Jeffersons Ghost]

11. K&R

[madfloridian]

13. Link is working now. Not sure what happened.

I just entered the link again. It worked for me then and now.

Sorry about the confusion.

[madfloridian]

14. "they can't do things that demoralize their base"

From the article, and he is 100% correct.

"Dean said the progressive base is critical to Democrats' electoral successes this fall and beyond. "If Washington understands that they can't do things that demoralize their base," Dean said, "then we'll have a permanent (Democratic) majority."

[Orlandodem]

17. Like scapegoating teachers?

[madfloridian]

18. Yep, just like that.

Exactly. How dare they make it their mission to hurt teachers. It's stunning.

[Lyric]

29. But Teh DU told me that we aren't the base!!!

We're just a bunch of whiny leftbaggers who don't count, so they can all "demoralize" us at every given opportunity with no fear of any consequences.

Who am I supposed to believe--the former Governor of Vermont/Presidential candidate/Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, or The Loyalty Police at DU?!

:cry:

[madfloridian]

30. Believe the former governor....and keep speaking out for what you believe.

Now that they are going after public education, I find I am unable to be silent.

[Lyric]

32. I'm with you there. Silence is an admission of defeat.

Contrary to the whines of the Loyalty Police, we do NOT have to become the enemy in order to defeat the enemy.

[madfloridian]

35. We are not the enemy of the party. They should not portray us as such.

And the more centrist leaders do that too often.

[freddie mertz]

40. Don't pay attention to the paid flacks.

They are out to discredit, weaken, and discourage us.

Figure out who the REAL Democrats are, and ignore the merchants of defeat and surrender.

[fascisthunter]

68. my list grows daily now....

[Name removed]

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[stillwaiting]

19. It will be THEIR fault if they do not get reelected.

They have given me little to nothing to get too excited about. I just don't have the ammo I need to lobby effectively on their behalf and it's THEIR fault.

I happen to believe most don't give a shit if they get reelected though so it's not like they have consequences for becoming corporate whores.

The consequences of not getting re-elected: Very cushy jobs. They will be taken very good care of to let the incoming "representatives" know what time it is and how to play the game.

[madfloridian]

21. Here is the link to the conference videos.

Dean and Rosenberg's is not up yet.

http://www.ourfuture.org/now/video

[bvar22]

22. Dr Dean has the medicine.

Thank You, Dr Dean.
.
.
.
.
.

Fuck the "Democratic Wing".
What are they going to do?
Vote for a Republican?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!

[chill_wind]

23. K & R. n/t

[Mojeoux]

24. Oh hell YES!

:) :-) x( :-( :( ;-) ;) :o :D }( ;( :P :9 :+ :7 B-) O8) :evilfrown: :evilgrin: :hippie: :party: :toast: :bounce: :puke: :eyes: :smoke: :think: :crazy: :silly: :wtf: :argh: :freak: :dunce: :spank: :wow: :beer: :grr: :hi: :shrug: :tinfoilhat: :loveya: :pals: :cry: :fistbump: :blush: :dilemma: :applause: :woohoo: :rofl:


Here we are!!!!

[wroberts189]

26. My voice is heard. KNR

[madfloridian]

28. I know what you mean.

:hi:

[madfloridian]

27. Thought this conference would be on C-Span...not on schedule there

Anyone know?

[HEyHEY]

31. Yeah, NOT Howard Dean.

[Lugnut]

33. Howard Dean still speaks for me.

Thank you, sir.

[KonaKane]

34. This is the reason I supported him in 2004.

Even while I was being scorned for it - among my own.

[madfloridian]

36. ...

Me, too.

[patrice]

42. me too

[MissDeeds]

51. Me too

:thumbsup:

[bahrbearian]

37. Are you listening Barack?

[Fearless]

52. +1

[Tarheel_Dem]

102. Why would Barack listen to Howard Dean? He no longer speaks for the Democratic Party.

He speaks for his adoring fans. It's kinda creepy how supporters of the administration get called "cheerleaders", or "paid lackeys", but supporters of Howard Dean (from a failed presidential bid, 6 years ago) are the "real Democrats". being kept down by the establishment.

Madfloridian has had a bee in her bonnett ever since the administration began assembling the cabinet. She obviously thought Dr. Dean was "owed" something. Dean became a cultural icon for many red meat Dems, although I personally didn't care for him as a candidate. Does that make me something other than a Democrat?

I hope, at this point, that the remaining elected Dems won't be intimidated by self righteous free agents like Howard Dean. Win or lose, I hope the party doesn't allow itself to be bullied by the same types who have dragged the Repuke party to the cliff's edge, making it impossible to get anything accomplished in DC. The one thing I admire about Rahm is that he doesn't cave to threats, from either side. If we win, we win. If we lose, so be it.

Perhaps Howard should primary the president? Now there's a thought.

[Name removed]

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[Tarheel_Dem]

120. And that's certainly your right as an American. Dean looks good now,

because there's no chance that he'll ever have to actually govern. But I'm all for the democratic process. If Dems feel they've been betrayed, then they should primary him. Of course, the president enjoys very high support among actual "democrats".

[madfloridian]

121. You say "Madfloridian has a bee in her bonnet"?? "Self righteous free agents"

Your quote is a little out of line in many ways.

"He speaks for his adoring fans. It's kinda creepy how supporters of the administration get called "cheerleaders", or "paid lackeys", but supporters of Howard Dean (from a failed presidential bid, 6 years ago) are the "real Democrats". being kept down by the establishment.

Madfloridian has had a bee in her bonnett ever since the administration began assembling the cabinet. She obviously thought Dr. Dean was "owed" something. Dean became a cultural icon for many red meat Dems, although I personally didn't care for him as a candidate. Does that make me something other than a Democrat?

I hope, at this point, that the remaining elected Dems won't be intimidated by self righteous free agents like Howard Dean. Win or lose, I hope the party doesn't allow itself to be bullied by the same types who have dragged the Repuke party to the cliff's edge, making it impossible to get anything accomplished in DC. The one thing I admire about Rahm is that he doesn't cave to threats, from either side. If we win, we win. If we lose, so be it.

Perhaps Howard should primary the president? Now there's a thought."

Actually your post of comment pretty much covers how the party has felt about many of us since 2003 when we stood up against the Iraq war. They have shut us out of the party.

I don't like being called out.

[Tarheel_Dem]

126. Wasn't a call out. It was your o.p., and you editorialized quite a bit.

I just thought newbies should have some context. You're a Deaniac, from way back, and in your eyes, he can do no wrong. That may not be a bad thing, but Obama supporters get called tons of names here. You've heard the names, but I can't recall you condemning those slurs.

Dean has the luxury, by virtue of being unelectable, to lob bombs from inside & outside this big tent we call the Democratic Party. I'd love for him to throw his hat into the ring in '12, so we could see just how appealing he is to a cross section of America. I think his fans would be surprised.

[madfloridian]

128. Of course he is unelectable in THIS Democratic party.

They took him down once, and they will again.

I say good for him for throwing some bombs their way.

I hate to see you do this. It is a throwback to long ago.

Right now I am glad to see someone sounding like Democrats used to sound.

This party is destroying education as we speak.

I don't mind being called names. Do you feel better? Did you accomplish your goal? Probably. Most of us would have a post like that disappear quickly.

The DLC dems will never let any candidacy of his see the light of day again.

[Tarheel_Dem]

131. Did I call you a name? I just explained for those who don't know,

that you are a Deaniac, from way back. Is Deaniac an insult now? Didn't you guys coin that phrase?

[madfloridian]

133. You said you had to "give newbies some context" about me.

What nerve you have.

But you see, you are doing just fine and dandy.

[Tarheel_Dem]

137. And?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

129. "She obviously thought Dr. Dean was "owed" something." Yes, I do think that.

You may keep up with the insults, I have heard them all.

Fed up.

[disillusioned73]

38. Agreed...

unfortunately, Arkansas let us all down yesterday. I hope the law suit sheds some light to their shenanigans but I won't hold my breath.....

[freddie mertz]

39. Some of them will only "Remember" when we take them OUT of office.

Lincoln was just one battle, and a very near win.

We have to double our efforts.

[patrice]

41. Lookin' for his Tuesday speech on YouTube.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

43. So what's their plan?

The point of diminishing return is rapidly closing. There's that definition of insanity. Why do I keep doing the same thing and expect different results? Why do I see unions, teachers, labor, progressives, environmentalists, real health care reformists, being consistently dissed by the PTB? I am really over it.

I LIKE that the Progressives had a conference. But what are they going to do about it?

edit: poor reply title.

[fascisthunter]

45. Dean, the Dem leadership would rather kick out all progressives and liberals

except for those of us who bought into the corporatization of the democratic party itself. With money being a huge factor for campaigns with the Supreme's a-ok, we barely make much of a difference anymore. That's what I think they are counting on.

The new dem party is the old republican party.

[flyarm]

63. Retards Unite!..eom

[Chef Eric]

46. Yes, they need to remember, but I fear they won't.

I don't see any evidence that they are willing to remember.

[tom_paine]

47. They do remember and are treating Their Corporate Masters with all the warm fondness they can muster

:puke:

[ProSense]

48. "You did your job"

That's the problem with Dean, he's always promoting the wrong message.

The only way Democrats are going to remember who elected them is to remind them, not to sit around and wait for the next election. Many Democrats (like Webb and Tester) elected during Dean's reign as DNC chair have been disappointments on some level.

Progressive Strategy in the Obama Era

"You did your job" is the wrong message.

[MissDeeds]

53. I don't think it's Dean who's promoting the wrong message

:eyes:

[midnight]

118. This Washington D.C. community organizer should probably work to help

organize representation for the D.C. community. It is my understanding that, in the whole of the United States, this is the only community that has none. Secondly, I know more about Dr. Dean's progressive strategy, and work than I know about this Washington D.C. community organizer, and therefore have more trust in the strategy Dr. Dean recommends. However, I'm appreciative of your post, because it will give me a community group to call the next time I hear about a homeless vet living in that community who can't receive any help, because there is no representation.

[Jefferson23]

50. Obama calculates how far they can go without their base, dangerous

gambling imo. History has shown, he can be "Gored."

[flyarm]

54. Howard, Howard , Howard..didn't you know? Progressives and liberals are being told daily to go sit

in a corner and STFU!!

Our money and jobs are being shit upon..by the corporate masters..and we keep being told to STFU..

Our health care has been sold out and we keep being told to STFU

Illegal wiretapping gets immunity..and we keep being told to STFU

When we demand our habeas corpus be re-instated..we keep being told to STFU

When our Oceans are being destroyed and our eco system destroyed , and the WH puts the Fox in charge of the hen house..we keep being told to STFU

When the wars get accelerated and we ask where are the real democrats that promised to end these trillion dollar wars..we get told to STFU

When teachers get sold out to corporate whores..we get told to STFU

When unions get sold out time after time..we get told to STFU


When our votes get negated..we get told to STFU

When Gitmo stays open no matter how many abuses get exposed..we get told to STFU



or we get called Retarded liberals.

[kctim]

56. Apparently

Dean, as with many here at DU, ignore the simple fact that progressives do NOT put people in office in these moderate Democrat districts. Lincoln won without progressives. The majority of Dem voters in Arkansas want to be represented with moderate views, not progressive views.

Sorry Dean, but in moderate Democrat districts, progressives are NOT "who got them there."

[madfloridian]

57. We don't know that. We are not allowed to find out...

how a progressive candidate will fare.

That has been a Rahmish talking point for ages. That only conservative Dems can win.

But look what it took in Arkansas. It took a former president insulting the base.

[kctim]

71. Was Halter to the left of Lincoln?

I am guessing he is since progressives supported him over her. He, the more progressive candidate, lost. If progressives wanted someone even more progressive, they could have given them 5 million to try. Still wouldn't have mattered though.

Blaming the loss on Rahm or Clinton is nothing but excuses. More people voted for moderate views because they wanted to be represented with moderate views.

[madfloridian]

73. Then so be it. If that is what Democrats want to be....so be it.

I expressed my views. No one especially cares about them. It will be up to each person to decide if selling out women, teachers, et al is worth it.

It will have to be a personal decision.

[flyarm]

62. apparently one county had 42 polling places in the original primary cut down to 2 yesterday!

oh yeah and it was a county Halter did the best in, in the previous primary...

Seems i remember that sort of tune in Fla in 2008..where 2 million + dem primary voters votes were negated completely!

[kctim]

76. And lawsuits have already been filed

and IF they are successful and IF they change the results, I will gladly admit that Arkansas voters wanted to be represented by progressive views. No problem doing that at all.

But, seeing how the polling places change has been known since March and that voting went 'smoothly,' changing the results might not be in the cards. Can always hang on to the 'conspiracy' though.

[LongTomH]

58. Here's a link to more news from the America's Future Now 2010 Conference

http://www.ourfuture.org/now

[awoke_in_2003]

59. Go Howard. nt

[lonestarnot]

60. Rock on Howard!

[Spheric]

61. K&R /nt

[Individualist]

64. K&R

[OhioChick]

65. K&R n/t

[mistertrickster]

66. CONs I know are ridiculing the idea that Obama will stick to his promise of troops out of Iraq

by this August.

If only he'd stuck to at least one promise he made during the campaign, I'd still believe it too.

[liberation]

70. Well, he stuck to his promise regarding Afghanistan

So he does stuck to some of his promises, selectively no doubt, but he has done so.

[obxhead]

67. Dean/Grayson 2012. Change I could actually believe in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE

[Melissa G]

74. K&R! n/t

[Admiral Loinpresser]

85. What you said!

n/t

[Shining Jack]

69. K&R

[geardaddy]

72. K & fucking R!

Give 'em hell, Howard!

[quiet.american]

75. Totally disagree with Howard. But I guess he's got to do something to keep a fan base. nt

[madfloridian]

77. lol

Now that's funny.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

87. Better we laugh than cry...

at the ocean of naivete surrounding an island of sanity. At least the Dem trend is headed away from Obama as the shit gets deeper.

[quiet.american]

91. Just one thing to add --

Just like Obama told the Republicans that they've painted themselves into a corner where they can't cooperate with his administration on ANYTHING because of the crazy crap they trumpet to their constituents about the administration, Dean appears to be on the flip side of that coin. He can't praise Obama or the Democratic Leadership, because he's painted himself into a corner with his rhetoric and would be roasted alive by his remaining supporters if he changed his tune. I say that as one that fervently supported him in 2004, volunteered for his campaign, donated to his campaign, met the man, and weeped when his campaign flamed out in Iowa.

For Dean to say that this administration/Democratically-led Congress has forgotten its constituents sounds to me to be at best insane, at worst, cynical manipulation of his supporters. Dean likes to boast that he covered healthcare for 100% of children in Vermont -- well, where did that leave his adult constituency and that still does not fare better than the national healthcare reform that was passed that will cover 93%-96% of everyone. But no, that's not progressive enough for Dean. Dean is a disappointment to me now. I used to really admire him for taking the high road and not bitterly lashing out at the Democratic Party after what happened with his campaign in 2004. Well, I guess that was actually just a reaction delayed.

[madfloridian]

95. Many of us took the high road then because the party and Dean asked to do so.

Dean has had nothing but good words for this administration so far. I have been critical of him for toeing the party line too much.

It is good to see him show frustration.

The "high road".....not always so lofty when people are suffering because their party is not standing up for the right things.

If they had left teachers alone, left public education alone, I might still be on the "high road" and saying little.

I will not be quiet as they destroy every vestige of public education and give it over to private companies.

I can not and I will not.

[RoccoR5955]

78. K & R

Leave it to Dr. Dean to tell it like it is. I guess even he's getting POed at this thinly veiled corporatocracy.

[sandyd921]

80. I'm with Howard! n/t

[bobbolink]

81. ""We are done with putting people in office who then forget who got them there," said Dean"

Uhoh..... Dean is gonna get a pizza on DU.

:)

[tranche]

82. Democrats should remember minorities and young people?

That's the "base" as I see it. Not those who threaten to leave the party or refuse to vote on a daily basis.

[madfloridian]

90. The "base" is only those who are unfailingly "loyal"...no matter what?

That doesn't even make sense.

That is not what Democrats should be about. All this march in step, fall in line stuff is getting very very old and tiring.

[tranche]

92. Isn't that the definition of "base"? What doesn't make sense about it?

The "base" are those who come out for a particular party almost every election. Not little bitches who threaten not to vote for the party on a near daily basis. That's what my point is. I talked about the "base". If you want wet yourself over "loyalty" or "march stepping" that's your deal, but it's not what "base" means.

[madfloridian]

93. "Not little bitches who threaten not to vote for the party on a near daily basis"

Really. That is what you think of people who worked their hearts out only to see a party cater to the Republicans?

"little bitches"????

Really?

[tranche]

123. That's what I think of people "who threaten not to vote for the party on a near daily basis".

I think I made that clear - so clear in fact, that it's even in the same sentence. Save the drama for your mama.

[madfloridian]

130. You called us "little bitches". You said "save the drama for your mama"

I would never say those things to people.

Calling names used to be taboo here.

[tranche]

135. Who the hell am I calling names? Read this thread back and read it carefully.

Now, if you are saying that you plan to vote against Democrats then maybe all this was directed at you, but failing to support and threatening to vote against the Democratic party used to be taboo here as well.

[madfloridian]

136. You used the words, I did not.

[madfloridian]

138. The words still stand because people know if they complain...

the thread will be in trouble.

I have never seen the use of that word okay to use here.

[defendandprotect]

106. The "base" of the Democratic Party are those who support the ideals of democracy . . ..

not those who support the ideals of corporatism . . .

Corporatism is fascism --

we need to move on from the corporate model -- despite the right wing Supreme Court's

embrace of it!

[William Z. Foster]

140. disgusting

You should be ashamed of yourself.

No. People do not become involved in politics for the sole purpose of voting for one of the two teams.

No. Politics does not revolve around partisan loyalty. Partisan electoral politics is but one very small part of politics.

I have voted straight Democratic in every election for over 40 years. That does not make me your "base" and don't tell me what I can and cannot say about those poor excuses for leaders we have running around with a "D" after their names.

[gulliver]

83. That's right. Bush put Dems in office.

We need to remember that Bush gave us the Presidency and Congress. Bush was so effective, he was able to overcome the Dem's built-in tendency to self-sabotage. Bush even overcame the popularity- and vote-reducing effects of a highly active far left in the election.

We need to run against Bush again. That is more important than ever given the current rise of reactionary politics on the right and angry "Progressive in name, but not in brain" folks on the left. The Tea Party looks like it may help us, but our own weaker version of the Tea Party on the left partly puts us back in the GOP fish bucket. It's quite a race.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

84. K & fuckin' R!

n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

86. K&R Repubs rape us, and Dems are like a cop we call afterward

who then does NOTHING about it.

Then the blame for it gets shifted to the Dems, and we get another Repub administration and/or majority.

Rinse, and repeat.

[onestepforward]

89. K&R!

[SILVER__FOX52]

94. Thank you Howard Dean.

[Better Believe It]

96. So it's just a memory lapse? They know. They don't care. What can they lose?

Any politicians who lose an election because of their whoring for Wall Street will soon be given a lobbyist or other corporate job that will pay them the really big bucks! That's the expected and promised payback!

What's there to lose?

[polichick]

97. Thank God there are still a few true Democratic leaders! k&r

[ScreamingMeemie]

98. Howard Dean speaks for me!

Thanks madfloridian for all your work!

[The Wizard]

100. What's wrong with the language here?

"As Arkansas Democrats go to the polls Tuesday to determine the fate of Sen. Blanche Lincoln, a moderate Democrat under siege from liberals, former Vermont governor Howard Dean said the progressive movement is finished with supporting Democrats who demoralize the party's left wing."
"Blanche Lincoln, a moderate Democrat:" She's a Republican in a cheap disguise.
"under siege from liberals" She's under siege from the center of the Democratic Party.
The language implies Lincoln is being attacked by the fringe when it's Lincoln who attacks Democratic core principles.
Just another example of how "news" reporting with a particular slant influences the electorate's thinking.

[mistertrickster]

103. Overt criticism of the Democratic Party and the mods haven't LOCKED it yet?

Maybe they should re-name this place PROGRESSIVE UNDERGROUND and then we could support the position instead of the party.

On edit--I know the mods work hard and they're only volunteers. They deserve our thanks . . . but sometimes to save something you love (the Democratic Party) you have to change it for the better.

[defendandprotect]

105. Perhaps we need a small "d" . . .

Democratic Underground?

[defendandprotect]

104. Of course, Howard Dean is speaking truth, as always . . . ..

but, IMO, the truth behind that truth is that these are all pre-bribed and

pre-owned candidates already pledged to corporations -- we were simply given

the privilege of voting for them!

betrayal was built in before we were allowed to vote in primaries, campaign

for candidates, or make our final choices on Election Day --

We are given the candidates the elites want us to have . . . umfortunately!



Nader said this a very long time ago --

no one would have thought that anything but good would come from ending "back room"

election deals -- except that Nader pointed out a different reality to us when he

asked . . . .

"Which corporations let the public pick their CEOs and Board of Directors for them?"

[Phlem]

108. I wish he would run again.

I wonder what his chances would be?

-p

[blindpig]

109. They do,

the big campaign donors. Everything else is bells and whistles.

[xchrom]

110. he just gets an AWESOME from me. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

111. Thank you, Doctah Howie! K&R

[MilesColtrane]

112. Oh my.

Are we headed toward another 1980 primary fight?

Last time we got Reagan. This time...Palin?

[midnight]

113. Amen.

[BEZERKO]

114. They will come this November,

unfortunately or unfortunately.

[SlingBlade]

YEP. Figure out who the REAL Democrats are, and ignore the merchants of defeat and surrender.

of defeat and surrender.

freddie mertz IS RIGHT ON here.

This must stop and only WE can stop it.

[Jakes Progress]

115. To help them remember, it was

those they called fucking retarded and crowed that they just wasted money on trying to get a candidate elected.

But, hey. Why would a Democratic candidate need liberals and union members? They got the undecideds.

[LaStrega]

116. How could I not k&r? Gov. Dean, thank you. Dems listen up or else. nt

[walldude]

119. K&R nice to see someone is paying attention..

[metapunditedgy]

122. Sweet! But how come when I say the same thing, I get called nasty things?

Might I add that I especially love the part about "You did your job." Damn straight.

[PuppyBismark]

124. Damn Right!

Where is that change we heard about and worked so hard to get?????????

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[PuppyBismark]

125. Damn Right!

Where is that change we heard about and worked so hard to get?????????

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[ProgressiveVictory]

132. +1,000

[Raine]

134. Dean's my man!!!!

Love, Love, Love him!!!!! :applause:

[fadedrose]

139. Kick

[NuttyFluffers]

141. muy importante! patea a se arriba!

:party: