Something out of nothing

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Vájra or stylised thunderbolt from Tibet (17th to 19th century CE), Arthur M. Sackler Museum of Art and Anthropology, Bĕijīng Dàxúe Hăidiăn, Beijing, China. In Buddhist mysticism, the flattened sphere in the centre represents the bindu, the original particle from which creation exploded outward – following the contours of the bilobate thunderbolt.



Does it Matter?
Jun 09, 2010

Does the universe have a beginning in time? Was there a time ‘before time’, when the visible world did not yet exist in any form? Was visible matter once formed out of nothing?
These questions have exercised human minds for thousands of years. Yet surprisingly, out of myriads of traditional myths of creation worldwide, very few support the doctrine of creatio ex nihilo or ‘formation out of nothing’.

One of the most perplexing cases is the opening verse of the Hebrew book of Genesis. This is commonly understood as saying that ‘heaven’ and ‘earth’ were called into existence by the deity and therefore had not hitherto existed. But the matter is not quite so easy. Serious objections have been raised against this reading from a purely grammatical point of view.

Rest of non-scientific article at link:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm

[BanzaiBonnie]

1. It's beautiful

[RandomThoughts]

2. The problem is when people think of order and chaos

without looking at if such things are good or bad. I think Norse mythology was about that in that form.

There can be things thought to be order that is bad, and there can be systems of order that are harder to see but are still order.

If it was just about order, then that is a contradiction of the idea of free will, free will creates variation, and is not pure order, the simplest form of order is no free will. But free will is added for the order to also have different components like existence. Since without free will, in a structure only one thing exists.

So creation could be argued to be the giving of free will, that alone actually breaks up a form of order, but creates another, although more complicated, and with different effects.


And something can be created by simply setting it free, since if something just exists as an extension of something else, it does not exist, so creation could be dividing something by giving free will, or setting something free. While destruction is something giving its free will to something else, or a form of thought or feeling slavery, since that reduces what is in existence.



In that way order with lack of free will is destruction, since if order is thought to be control, then everything controlled becomes part of what works through it, and many things become fewer things, as those that give up free will become extensions of something else and not exist.

In another view, things can work through other things, with free will choice to do, or think, or feel on something, creating a structure of order by choice, not by control.

Then for both order to exist, and free will to exist, people are not made to do things, but learn to think in a way that is concepts and ideologies that are the same as how everything else thinks and feels, and work within that form of order with free will. Learning not control, allowing for the eventual state of perfection of all things in perfect order still with free will. The ideas of changing the heart and mind by learning, not coercion.

For example, perfect empathy would allow for free will, while joint sense of feeling creating perfect order with free will. While selling of a person by themselves, or trying to collect another person would create slavery of thought and feeling, and an extension of something, also perfect order but with no free will or need for empathy. Selling or buying leads to the eventual complete aloneness, while respect and dignity with many with free will is together with many people.

Also why I think in terms of friends, not owner or owned.

Does that make sense?


On the topic of Time.

Any concept of time starting has a flaw, any change in any matter or energy from one location or state to another, means time exist, since time is the measure of change. If nothing changed time would stop, but time still exists since eventually even if universe was unchanging at some time it did eventually change. So time was in existence from beginning of any notion of existence, in what seems a period of no time(but that would be timeless and a moment), by looking at it over larger area time exists with any concept of existence. And 'beginning' of time would only be the first time anything in existence had any change to it. But the point is to be able to think on beginning, you include beginning as the moment of existence in which time also is and with creation of any existence time exists. Although that is thinking within time perspective where existence includes time, so it is a bit of a paradox.

So to postulate time, all you have to do is know that for time to exist, all that has to happen is for anything in any way to change, or for there to be some change still to occur in the future. So any concept of anything existing always has time existing.

Or simply, beginning is a measure of time, so time must exist for beginning to be conceived, making any state of beginning to also include time.


Also part of this song, and why I think the many concepts of freeing people is very important.
99 Balloons - Nena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IRDDnEPR4