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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:43 AM
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Get a Brain, Mor(a)ns: Why Being Liberal Really Is Better Than Being Conservative
I fixed the title...

Liberals and conservatives don't just disagree about specific issues -- we disagree about core ethical values. Can a case be made that liberal values really are better?



June 10, 2010 |

You may have heard about this. It's been in the news and the blogosphere, and has been making the rounds at the nerdier water coolers and cocktail parties. A number of researchers are coming to the conclusion that ethics and values aren't entirely relative, and aren't solely derived from particular cultures. Human beings, across cultures and throughout history, seem to share a few core ethical values, hard-wired into our brains by millions of years of evolution as a social species. Those values: Fairness, harm and the avoidance thereof, loyalty, authority and purity. (Some think there may be one or two others, including liberty and honesty; but those aren't yet as well-substantiated, or as well-studied.)

Different people prioritize different values over others, of course. And of course, different individuals and different cultures come to different conclusions about the right ethical choice in any particular situation: based on our cultural biases, as well as on our own personal observations and experiences. But according to this research, these basic values -- fairness, harm, loyalty, authority and purity -- exist in all of us, at least to some degree, in every non-sociopathic human being.

"Fascinating," I hear you cry. "But what does that have to do with politics?" Well, what researchers are finding is that liberals prioritize very different values from conservatives. When asked a series of questions about different ethical situations, self-described liberals strongly tend to prioritize fairness and harm as the most important of these core values -- while self-described conservatives are more likely to prioritize authority, loyalty and purity.

As a dyed-in-the-wool liberal -- the offspring of a union organizer and an early-adopter feminist, taken to peace marches and McGovern rallies at a tender age -- this idea instantly made sense to me. It illuminates a lot of weird dark corners about politics, particularly the rancorous and apparently unsolvable nature of many political conflicts. When liberals and conservatives debate the burning issues of the day -- whether it's immigration or marriage equality, global warming or health care reform -- we often wind up talking at cross-purposes, and the conversations go around in increasingly belligerent circles ... because we're not starting with the same ethical foundations. We assume that we have the same core values, and are simply debating the best way to apply those values in the world. We're not. We're debating -- not very effectively or coherently most of the time -- the core values themselves.

And of course, when I heard about this research, my instant reaction was to say, "But fairness and harm are more important! We were right all along! This proves it -- liberal values are better!"

But, being someone who places a strong ethical value on fairness -- I realize that of course I'm going to say that. After all, those are my values. Of course I think they're better. And -- again, being someone who highly values fairness -- I realize that conservatives are going to say the exact same thing. "But authority and loyalty are more important! This proves it! Conservative values are better!"

The rest: http://www.alternet.org/belief/146930/get_a_brain%2C_morons%3A_why_being_liberal_really_is_better_than_being_conservative




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Mugweed Donating Member (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 07:24 AM
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1. That could explain some voting issues.
It does appear that the Republicans always vote in lockstep, no matter what. I would think that their devotion to authority and party loyalty causes them to vote whichever way the party leader has ordered them to vote. On the other hand, Democrats argue about what is most fair and does the least harm to the most people, which causes much disagreement and votes do not always line up. The lack of reliance on loyalty to authority causes Democrats to actually use critical thinking skills to decide what's best as opposed to waiting for someone to order them on what to think. The end result is that the Republicans appear more unified, while the reality is that they are unthinking, obedient sheep.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 07:38 AM
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2. BINGO!
But OTOH, I wish, for once, that liberals can get to together and whip up on the wingers, instead of engaging in so much internecine warfare.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:27 AM
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3. So true! Lockstep, indeed.
It seems as if Rethugs pledge some sort of loyalty oath: They MUST agree 100% with anything said or done by Palin, Dubya, Cheney, Limpballs, Faux News et al.

:puke:
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:03 PM
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8. I thought they sort of do, you're with us or you hate America, our troops, and therefore are a
filthy dirty bleeding heart liberal socialist wacko, you don't want to be those things do you?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 03:42 PM
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6. Republicons luv to Assume the Position for The Man
and are every so obedient sheeple thereafter.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:46 AM
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4. Prometheus Rising, by Robert Anton Wilson
... I don't know forsure if he meant it as pseudo-scientific-satire when he originally wrote it, but it sure explains a TON about the current state of our society's mental makeup.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 08:53 AM
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5. Thanks for posting this.
I don't know that I agree authority is a core value, because clearly all of us see authority in a different way. Not everyone accepts authority in the first place and hardly anyone submits to authority completely. But loyalty and purity, sure, and these values are certainly more important to conservatives. It's a good article.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:58 PM
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7. K&R
:kick:
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