A very Catholic guy I know said something crazy about birth control

[Green_Lantern]

This was just on my Facebook article opposing celibacy for priests.

This is a direct quote...He said:

"get people to follow the teaching of the Church with regards to birth control and there would not be a shortage of priests. When you only have two kids, there is too much pressure on the son to continue the family name or business or whatever else. There is no room to encourage a life devoted to God in that scenario."

I think it is pretty sexist.

[LiberalLoner]

1. VERY sexist. This is the view of women as nothing but breeding cows. n/t

[hedgehog]

2. Very sexist but an actual belief in some circles. Parents are

supposed to raise a certain number of children brainwashed.....err, guided to become priests or enter the convent.

On edit: I'm very proud to state that one of my kids is studying to be a Catholic priest. I'm not sure when she plans to be ordained......

[Green_Lantern]

3. what do you mean she's studying to be a priest?

At the seminary?

[hedgehog]

14. Yes.

she is taking the same course that teh men officially studying to be priests are taking.










The big difference is that she gets better grades.

[Green_Lantern]

16. why is she at a seminary?or is it not RCC?

I don't understand...women can't be seminarians in RCC.

[hedgehog]

19. I didn't say she was a seminarian, I just said she is studying to be a priest,

at a Roman Catholic Seminary.

Hey, we believe that the Son of God became Man, was crucified, died and rose again on the third day. Do you honestly want to try telling me that my daughter will never be a catholic priest?

[Tailormyst]

21. ............

[hedgehog]

22. Shall we gather at the river......

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2010/03/21/1075623/bishop-roman-catholic-womenpriests.html


http://www.romancatholicwomenpriests.org/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5422862658983416429&q=roman+catholic+womenpriests&hl=en#

People keep asking when lay Catholics are going to change the Church. What do you think that looks like?

[Tailormyst]

24. When that day comes I will be there with champagne in hand :)

I do hope that the lay people can reform the church. It honestly might take breaking from Rome though. I don't see those men relinquishing a speck of power voluntarily.

[hedgehog]

26. I think it's happening right in front of us. The hierarchy is going

to be excommunicating people right and left until they realize no one is paying any attention.



“He drew a circle to keep me out,
A thing of scorn, and a thing to flout.
But love and I had the wit to win:
We drew a circle that took him in.”

—Edwin Markham

[Green_Lantern]

29. not possible...who elects the Pope...

The Cardinals...who names the Cardinals...the Pope.

Neither will appoint someone they disagree with.

[Green_Lantern]

28. I didn't think women could even go to seminary....

No offense but why even waste the money when they won't ordain her.

Or is this a Catholic high school?

[hedgehog]

31. Who said she was going to wait around for "them" to ordain her?

[Green_Lantern]

32. What do you mean? I don't understand

Doesn't a bishop have to ordain priests?

Where will she be a priest at? Is she going to be an episcopal priest?

I think they should allow women priests by the way, I just don't understand how this works with your daughter.

[WinkyDink]

12. And SHE would be studying exactly where?

[get the red out]

4. People are just cattle

Breeding to make money and control others for the power of the Church.

[AngryOldDem]

5. Sexist, yes, but very common.

If you have more than one or two kids, then surely you can give one to the Church. I've also read (this coming from a priest who posts on another message board) that people who want to see their children grow up, get married, and have children are being selfish.

For some in the Church, contraception and abortion are at the root of all society's ills. If you got rid of both today, the world would be a perfect place tomorrow. Their thinking really is that superficial.

[Green_Lantern]

7. It is common among conservative Catholic but the majority

Of American Catholics probably use birth control.

[AngryOldDem]

9. Probably? Most do.

I think a lot of polls show that the teaching on birth control is the one the laity ignores the most, and that goes back to the 1960s.

What I've not been able to figure out, though, is how widespread the conservative movement is within the Church. I can't tell if it's a very vocal minority or a true groundswell of disgruntled people still angry over Vatican II. I guess time will tell with the successor to Benny. But I digress...

But on the BC issue, the Church is deluding itself if it thinks anyone in the pews is truly listening.

[slampoet]

6. It is Mostly a statement of support for Class Warfare.

He is saying that when a family can't support their children they will give one of their children over to the church.

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. he's an idiot. un-friend him

[Cerridwen]

10. "a life devoted to God" as a priest?

This is what makes no sense to me whatsoever.

In Genesis it says God said, "go forth, be fruitful, multiply..." How does one do that as a celibate (hopefully) male or female? Are priests (and nuns) not, by their very policies of celibacy, going against the Word of God? If one were going to live "a life devoted to God," wouldn't one be working on that "fruitful" and "multiply" command?

Just one of many reasons priestly (and nunly) celibacy has never made any sense to me whatsoever. It is a direct contradiction of one of the first commands from God to the humans in the Bible.

It reminds me of an old joke:

A old, retired priest is sitting amongst the ancient texts archived at the Vatican. He is sitting with his head in his hands moaning and crying his eyes out. Another priest, seeing his fellow priest in such obvious despair goes up to him and asks what has made him so unhappy. To which the sobbing priest replies, "It was a copying error!" Almost screaming he says, "The letters were smudged!" Almost howling in pain he cries, "It said celebRate!"

[WinkyDink]

11. Sexist? It's downright MORONIC in a host of ways.

[thereismore]

13. Because you can only serve God when you are a priest.

:crazy:

[ljm2002]

15. Nutjob.

If he really is concerned about fewer men joining the priesthood, why not fight to make the Catholic Church go back to allowing its priests to marry? They stopped that because the priestly offspring were inheriting too much of the Church's money / property.

Seems simpler to me than deciding that a lack of priests == a good reason to make women into baby factories again.

Now that I think about it a little more, I'd say he's not just a nutjob. He's a sexist toad.

[Green_Lantern]

17. the argument started when I said lifting priestly celibacy rules...

Would mean more priests.

[hedgehog]

20. I've become a contrarion on this entire issue. If priests had been allowed to

marry back in 1965 or if women had been ordained, there would have been much less pressure to reform the hierarchy. As it is, I expect to see a different structure in the Catholic Church very shortly. The role of the priest will change.

Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I suggest you look up what was being said about the permanent nature of the Soviet Union back in the spring of 1989.

[liberal_at_heart]

27. It's my personal belief that the reason they shuffle guilty priests around is

because they don't have enough new priests coming into the church. If they changed the celibacy rules and allowed women to be priests they would see more people become priests and therefore wouldn't have to keep priests who molest children.

[undeterred]

18. In traditional Catholic families there is a lot of pressure

to give one child back to the church as a priest or a nun. I met a Catholic seminarian who was the youngest of 19 children, and he pretty much had to become a priest after all his brothers declined. Very nice guy, had only been together with all his siblings twice in his life.

Also knew a young man who grew up in a large Catholic family - who wanted to be a priest and be married and have a family. Of course the Church said no. He couldn't join an order or get the kind of financial aid that the men on the priesthood track got.

The Catholic Church doesn't treat men or women very well.

[liberal_at_heart]

23. not only is that sexist but it is outdated

Who puts pressure for the son to follow in the family business anymore?

[proteus_lives]

25. More old school then crazy.

Centuries ago if a family had multiple sons, one usually was encouraged to join the church. Usually for inheritance reasons.

[mitchum]

30. Unless he is Father Douchebag, he certainly didn't put his ass where his mouth is

[Odin2005]

33. What a disgusting sack of shit!

:puke:

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Or, we could scrap the Church entirely and hand out its Billions in assets to the actual poor.

It sounds at least as reasonable, to me, as "getting people to follow the teaching of the Church with regards to birth control" :eyes: