Curiouser and Curiouser! SC Senate Nominee Alvin Greene Received More Votes Than Were Actually Cast

[Emit]

Curiouser and Curiouser! SC Senate Nominee Alvin Greene Received More Votes Than Were Actually Cast
By Susie Madrak Sunday Jun 13, 2010 8:00am

Man, this guy is in way over his head for something he probably thought was a quick payday. Turns out he received more votes than were cast in many South Carolina districts.

(Olbermann Video at link)

Not only that, it appears more South Carolina candidates http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/clyburns_dem_challenger_denies_hes_a_plant_--_but.php?ref=fpb">may have been Republican plants.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/curiouser-and-curiouser-sc-senate-nom

More:

(...) On last night’s Countdown, Keith Olbermann– who had his own awkward run-in with Greene the day before– had former South Carolina Democratic chair Dick Harpootlian on the program to explain, from a local government perspective, what could have possibly happened on election day that launched an unknown candidate into a state-wide general election, defeating an experienced public service with some semblance of a campaign, which is more than anyone can say for “Greene for Senate.” (...)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-sc-dem-chair-claims-alvin-greenes-income-more-suspicious-than-vote-numbers/

The campaign of defeated Democratic Senate candidate Vic Rawl has assembled a team of national academic experts to review Tuesday’s perplexing South Carolina primary results that propelled a virtually unknown, underfunded and unemployed candidate to the party’s nomination over a veteran officeholder and public official.

Rawl campaign manager Walter Ludwig tells POLITICO three different teams of experts in election data analysis are combing through the results in the state’s 46 counties and already turning up some eye-opening trend lines.

~snip~

In Spartanburg County, Ludwig said there are 25 precincts in which Greene received more votes than were actually cast and 50 other precincts where votes appeared to be missing from the final count.


“In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast,” Ludwig said.

~snip~

(...)

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38433.html#ixzz0qkNzWDtQ

[jazzelle]

1. Well, it wasn't his oratory skills...

it wasn't his state wide campaign that extended around the block

it wasn't his felony obscenity charge

it wasn't his non-existent media blitz.

and it wasn't his position papers on fiscal spending and his views on climate change and the effect on stock market.

[Sheltiemama]

24. Don Lemon interviewed him last night on CNN.

He can hardly put together a complete sentence. At one point, Don asked him if he was impaired. I don't know if the interview is up on CNN's website, but if it is, it's worth viewing.

[crikkett]

2. Ha. Foul-ups like these are used to do great things, like ban electonic voting machines. n/t

http://www.free-times.com/index.php?ShowArticle_ID=11461501080666647&cat=1992912064017974

Issue #21.03 :: 01/16/2008 - 01/22/2008
S.C. Voting Machines Banned in Other States

Local Activist Says Machines Have a History of Problems

BY MINDY LUCAS

The S.C. Election Commission says it will continue using touch-screen voting machines even though the machines have come under fire recently in other states.

South Carolina began using touch-screen voting machines in 2004.

Both Ohio and Colorado have taken steps to ban the iVotronic — the same machine South Carolina uses — after a recent review by Ohio’s top election officials found that the machines have “critical security vulnerabilities.”

In a report published Dec. 14, researchers found that the machines were susceptible to hacking and could be corrupted with a magnet or handheld electronic device such as a Palm Treo “smartphone.”

[Versailles]

3. Can't describe enough how much I HATE living in this state....

Horrible horrible place politically...which of course spills over into every other aspect of life. Republican policies have killed economy, jobs, etc. We are not much more than a sideshow of America.

[napi21]

5. You have a lot of company in other States too. After living in SC, we were transferred to TX,

which is politically worse, except at least they DID elect Anne Richards. Now we livein GA! GRRR...Atlanta & Athens have a decent # of Dems, but everywhere else, it's just as bad as SC or worse! In almost every election, there isn't even a Dem running! I live in the District that was represented by Nathan Deal Since he resigned from the Hosue to run for Governor, we had to elect a replacement for his seat. AGAIN, there wasn't a Dem on the ballot! I too get extremely disgusted!

[donco6]

18. It's only just barely better here in CO.

We have Dobson and a lot of other RW nutjobs in Colo Spgs.

They're kept in check some of the time. But it can go either way at any minute.

[napi21]

4. I lived iin Spartanburg County for 6 years, and i never met even

ONE Democrat! NONE! The only area I can imagine Greene getting a decent # of votes is the City of Greenville...MAYBE!

When I was there, they used those stupid punch cards. They were awful! I remember the first time I voted there, the voting place was a blocked off aisle in Walmart! I found that really weird, but even more weird was the ballot. If you weren't VERY CAREFUL, your chads wouldn't completely dislodge. I'm not sure their new electronic voting is any better!

[flyarm]

6. Hey in 2008 2 million democratic votes were thrown out by the Dem party ..because we got our

legislature ( repuke) to get rid of these damn machines..we got punished because with the bill to ban the DRE's from Fla..the repukes ..repukes..changed the date of our primary..but 2 million democrats were punsihed for that!!

Now anyone wants my sympathy?? ..nope...no one stood up for my and 2 million dems votes in the dem party!

[HooptieWagon]

9. Yes, a Fl Dem introduced the bill to move the primary up after the DNC voted on the rules.

Shame on the Fl Dem Party for trying to game the system in favor of Hillary. They deserved to be spanked. Yes, Dem voters paid the price, they should hold party leadership accountable.

[flyarm]

13. nope ..ya got the facts wrong..it was taggged onto the legislative bill by repukes

in Fla legislature ..the same legislative bill that banned DRE voting machines in Fla!

But no one around here seems to interested in Real facts or truth!

[HooptieWagon]

15. WRONG! Steve Geller (D) introduced the amendment to move up the primary.

The Dems went along with the Republicans, FDP was trying to fix the primary for Hillary. madfloridian covered the topic at great length, and continually refuted the lies being spread by Hillary supporters that the R's forced the early primary on the Dems. Apparently, those lies are still being spread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6133311

[Webster Green]

7. I don't understand why this shit is allowed to continue.

Rigged elections have become quite commonplace in this country, and we just let it slide?

The 2000 US Supreme W. Court coup'd etat gave us The Big Dick and his trained chimp, which began the tailspin we find ourselves in today.

2004 was obviously rigged by Blackwell and Rove, denying Kerry his rightful win of the presidency. Imagine where we might be if Kerry had served, instead of us being subjected to another 4 years of BFEE control.

When this kind of obvious fraud occurs in other countries, we condemn it. Why not here? :wtf:

OH well. :boring:

[Igel]

22. A lot of the discrepancies typically occur because we're impatient.

We need election-night data. Who won? Who won? The polls have been closed for a whole 89 seconds? How much longer do we have to wait?

In other countries you often have a week or a month between the election and the final results, and that's with far simpler ballots. To be honest, we do, too. It's just that we assume the early results are somehow the same as the final results. They're not. So it's unlikely that the final results will show the discrepancies that are stoking outrage.

Moreover, there's every likelihood that the discrepancies are silly errors. Including the same numbers twice, overlooking numbers, transcribing numbers incorrectly, totaling a column of numbers incorrectly, losing track of things at the polling stations, having provisional ballots miscast or improperly filled out. Most polling stations I've heard of (okay, all of them) are bipartisan and neither side's going to let the other cheat, at least not without a fight. And yet they've all done stupid things, sometimes out of partisan fervor.

[Jackpine Radical]

27. How come all the "silly errors" favor Greene?

It's like flipping a coin 80 times, having it land Heads 78 times, and declaring it a fair coin.

[NNN0LHI]

8. It had to be vote rigging at the polls by someone

The Republicans could not have gotten the word out to thousands of their voters to vote for this schmuck without being exposed by someone.

Not possible.

Someone "fixed" the machines.

Don

[drm604]

Checkout the link in the OP's first paragraph.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/clyburns_dem_challenger_denies_hes_a_plant_--_but.php?ref=fpb

A Democratic primary challenger in South Carolina who has been accused of being a "plant" hired for his Congressional campaign a GOP consultant who as recently as late last year was the campaign manager for Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC), according to campaign finance reports.

Businessman Gregory Brown says he challenged Rep. James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress, in the Democratic primary on Tuesday because he's worried about the state's poverty rates and failing schools. Clyburn (D-SC) charged this week that Brown is such a political novice that he must be a "plant."

Brown told TPM in an interview he was a legitimate candidate being targeted because he challenged a powerful incumbent. But his Federal Election Commission filings show his largest campaign payment was to a firm run by a GOP political consultant who is best known as Wilson's former campaign manager and who currently works for other South Carolina Republicans.

Brown's campaign paid Stonewall Strategies nearly $24,000 for "marketing" and "marketing materials," according to his 2010 campaign finance reports. The firm is run by former Wilson aide Preston Grisham.

Preston Grisham:

• Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/prestongrisham
• Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/prestongrisham (I love his FB "Basic Info". For "Interested In:" it says "Women".
• His blog: http://www.prestongrisham.com
• http://www.stonewallstrategies.com

Notice that the company website consists of a "This Website Coming Soon" page. Also note that it is not indexed in Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Astonewallstragies.com
but the domain has been registered since 2007: http://whois.domaintools.com/stonewallstrategies.com
Also, archive.org has nothing on it: http://web.archive.org/web/20080410045051/stonewallstrategies.com/robots.txt
So somebody tell me how Gregory Brown became connected with a company that's so uninterested in publicity that it hasn't even bothered to put up a website in 3 years? I could be mistaken but it appears to me that it may be a company that gets business through an "old boys network" and, up till now, has catered to Republican interests.

All very interesting.

[lonestarnot]

10. Weeeeee! Vote practice theft.

[Botany]

11. Eric Holder are you going to do anything?

:grr:

[katandmoon]

12. He's too busy going after Bush whistelblowers.

[Botany]

14. I heard Alvin Greene interviewed on CNN

He is shitting kittens ...... I could not see his face but he was on some sort of
medication and he was really scared. Betya big money he would roll over in a heartbeat.

Now how did an unemployed person w/ a felony charge against him get the money
and organization to win the democratic nomination for U.S. Senate from South Carolina?

Betya this goes to Jim Demint and all those bastards from past elections. If Obama pushed
this he could stomp the republican party / right wing / military-industry-energy-media
into the ground.

More votes than ballots cast.

[WinkyDink]

16. Mr. Greene probably has many reasons to be scared, jail's being the least of them.

[HooptieWagon]

17. It didn't sound to me like he even knew what a Senator was or did.

There is definitely something fishy going on in SC.

[Botany]

20. The questions & answers were kinda of strange

Are you O.K.?

ahhhhhhh

Are you O.K.?

yea I'm O.K..

Are you on anything?


ahhhhhhhhh

Are you on anything?

ahhhh no

********

I think Mr. Greene is in way over his head.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. would you believe he is a poli sci major?

but yes he appears to be very slow now, perhaps something happened to him
somewhere along the way.

[HooptieWagon]

23. That's amazing... he doesn't come across as having much education at all. nt

[KittyWampus]

25. Well, Sarah Palin managed to graduate. She's still dumb as a box of rocks. Sometimes

people just manage to slip by.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

29. "Mr. Greene, according to the Constitution, what are the duties of a Senator?"

Sound of crickets chirping...

Of course, you'd probably get the same response from probably a third of the current senators.

[Sheltiemama]

26. I saw that.

And posted about it above before I saw your post.

It was bizarre. I think Don was afraid he had overdosed.

[CLANG]

19. Were there any polls conducted before the primary?

I'd be real curious if anyone had ever heard of this guy a week before the election.

[Betty Karlson]

28. ????WHAT???!!!

Lost for words here. Someone must be desperate, and someone else has sunk deeper than was thusfar assumed possible.