****OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH***

[nadinbrzezinski]

You know what to do

[bleever]

1. Bring it, Mr. President.

[LearnedHand]

2. So WHAT is it that's going to capture up to 90% of the oil?

[harun]

5. Sharks with laser beams.

[LearnedHand]

12. LO... (well, you know)

:rofl:

[Ruby the Liberal]

14. As long as the estimates are a "moving target" on volume, "90%" means nothing.

[Junkdrawer]

33. 90% of the oil in the coming days (tm)....

I think I've heard that before....

[bahrbearian]

103. Miraculous Microbes

[spanone]

3. listening

[WillyT]

4. Somebody Unrecced This Already... Jesus...

:wtf:

:banghead:

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. I am starting to think some folks have scrips

serious.

[blm]

76. hope mods take notice

.

[Name removed]

109. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nadinbrzezinski]

114. Nah certain threads, no matter how innoucous the subject

are unrecced within less than a second of appearing. That would suggest a script to me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Time line for recovery AFTER this is finally stopped

is 10-20 years on a short time line... so you all are aware.

[malaise]

7. It's not a single event

first time I've seen him look nervous - he's calming down now.

[LearnedHand]

8. Oh, of course. It's yet another "war"

Sorry. I'm not a presidential disser. I lovve the man. I am just so fucking tired of the bellacose rhetoric.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. That actually is human nature

we tend to use that language for all kinds of things, and not just in the US.

That should speak to the nature of the species actually.

[harun]

16. We're murrikans, we can only function while at war because we hates us

big gubberment.

[Fearless]

90. George Carlin had a sketch on just that... A link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaS2bRGS86c

[Subdivisions]

9. No news so far. n/t

[Iwasthere]

11. He just said they are drilling A relief well, NOT two ???

Didn't he order them to drill two?

[harun]

21. Nah one is plenty, what could possibly go wrong?

[Ruby the Liberal]

26. They cannibalized parts for #2 for "top kill" or "high hat" or "junk shot" or some such

No word that #2 is back to work yet (that I have heard).

It took 5 relief well attempts to stop Ixtoc. Seems the technology hasn't improved in 30 years given that the same attempts have been made (and failed).

:(

[csziggy]

93. I thought they said #2 was back on last week

When they realized they could not put a second BOP on top of the first.

They do have better technology for locating the well casing but it can take more than one try to actually hit it, though they can retry with the same relief well.

[Ruby the Liberal]

110. Not sure.

May have been a slip of the tongue by the sportswriters.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. ****OFFICIAL OMG! LAMEST SPEECH EVER!**** courtesy of Faux News.

[LearnedHand]

17. I guess it IS a little lame. I'm waiting for more specifics.

[gateley]

18. Frenchie had a good point, for those of us following this we've probably heard

what he has to say; for those who haven't, this is informative and a good update.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. I am hoping he does not fully go into PROFESSOR mode

even if he needs to.

[gateley]

30. I'm guessing he knows people are wanting some oomph, although these speeches

from the Oval Office always are kind of stiff IMO.

[flamingdem]

36. +1 many are just getting up to speed on the details nt

[ecstatic]

60. If companies made cheap, nice looking electric vehicles, that would solve most of our problems

I think the Prius is ugly but I'd welcome electric models that are pretty and don't break the bank.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. That's just PART and actually a MINOR part of the solution

but hey... it goes so much farther than just public transportation, or electric vehicles.

[gateley]

143. Agree - and why haven't American car companies done so? It was driving me

nuts that for the longest time they were talking about hybrids and I was thinking if Tesla Motors can make a kick ass electric car, why cant large car companies at a friendly price point?

So.... they seem to have kind of moved toward electric (Volt) - but in the meantime I read where there are 20,000 waiting for delivery of the first Nissan Leaf! Granted, it will be made in American (good thinking on their part) but why not Chevrolet? Ford? I WANT to buy American, but sometimes they make it so hard. They KNOW that's the future, but it's like they want to hang on to the combustion engines for as long as they possibly can.

Sorry, got off on a rant.

[Arkana]

19. He's calming down--he seemed jittery in the first couple minutes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I know I'd be... there is a lot at stake

but from the body language HE knows there is a lot at stake.

[LearnedHand]

23. Damn, he is beautifully statesman-looking on the TeeVee. I'm just hoping for some crunchy specifics.

[Arkana]

24. Talking about the escrow fund now--but he's not saying anything that anyone

following this thing didn't already know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. A lot of people are not

why he has to go into that.

[ShamelessHussy]

25. 1st new action, independent fund to compensate folks, no amount mentioned

[Arkana]

28. ...because we don't know what it'll be yet maybe?

[ShamelessHussy]

105. gotta start somewhere, be BOLD

[LearnedHand]

27. Commitment that consists of what?

[Ruby the Liberal]

31. +1 I love Pres O, but this isn't very convincing.

:(

[stray cat]

what do you want him to say and is what you want even possible?

[LearnedHand]

39. Very good question, actually. I keep hoping he'll get medieval on BP's ass, but that's just not his

style, I guess.

[Arkana]

47. He's meeting with the CEO tomorrow to discuss the relief fund.

I'm just hoping he tells them to yank those stupid ads off the air.

[Ruby the Liberal]

72. You would be happy with "yank the ads off the air"?

Seriously?

How far we have fallen.

[Arkana]

112. I didn't say that was the only thing.

Jesus fucking Christ, that is not what I meant. I want BP to pay. I want them to pay through every orifice. I want them to realize just how big they've fucked up.

Is that good enough for the outrage-addicted? I'm even banging on my desk all Khrushchev-like!

[Ruby the Liberal]

133. Dear friend, I didn't mean that to be aggressive. Please forgive my phrasing/accusatory tone

I am just SO frustrated that the US Gov't is so beholden to BP that they don't so much as speak against them.

At the VERY least - where is OSHA? Where are the Hazmat protections? Apparently we are too worried about tourism and stock price and willing to sacrifice safety on those altars.

I am sorry for taking my frustration out on you.

[Ruby the Liberal]

64. If I knew, I would try for the job.

He is repeating talking points that are weeks old. I had hoped to hear a new direction tonight, not "Trust Thad Allen, Ken Salazar and BP" along with "keep on keeping on".

Their plan (operational AND informational) is obviously not working.

I want to hear that the US Government is taking over monitoring - of beaches, of the undersea. That we are using academia and other disconnected scientists to tell us the fucking truth as to what is happening down there, how much of it is happening, and what Corexit is (or is not) doing to make matters worse.

I got nothin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Ah COMMISSION, and this is the way we respond to ALL things

[malaise]

The moratorium remains in place

GObama!

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Good on that.

There is more... he is now ordering a full cleanup of the MMS and the rest.

[malaise]

43. GEM$NBC on line

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37709038#37709038

[aquart]

53. I LIKE him putting a prosecutor in charge.

[Arkana]

135. Yeah, I have to wonder why that slipped through the cracks at MSNBC

while Keith and Chris were circlejerking over how much they hated the speech.

[LearnedHand]

34. FUCK the deep-water drilling. For fucking ever, not just 6 months.

[Lucian]

35. [phone]

[Greybnk48]

65. I'm loving what the Prez is saying!

Use this as a rallying point to move to sustainable energy.

[XemaSab]

113. If he had used it as a rallying point, it would have worked

but instead we got "I'm open to suggestions." :banghead:

[Subdivisions]

37. I him to explain why oil companies the world over are having to drill in deep water! n/t

[Subdivisions]

40. Bingo! PEAK OIL IS HERE! n/t

[Greybnk48]

44. There ya go.

[LearnedHand]

45. I'd like to hear him say, "Tonight, I'm announcing that in ten years, we will have bypassed the 50%

mark for dependence on renewable energy!!!!"

[Subdivisions]

66. We have to get to 50% in half that time. We are in BIG trouble. We should've

started when Jimmy Carter tried to warn us. It is TOO LATE to fix the problem. We must now learn to survive oil depletion.

[LearnedHand]

84. You're exactly right.

[Subdivisions]

115. What people don't realize about a green movement is that it will take oil to accomplish. We

don't have enough oil left. Think of a solar panel or wind turbine or battery. Now, think of all the complex oil-powered steps it takes to manufacture these things. Think of the raw minerals that have to be mined. Think of the materials that have to be manufactured, like steel for wind turbine towers. Now, think of all the parts and their wide-flung manufacturing facilities. All the trucks it takes to move all the parts to converge on an assembly plant. And it's way more complex than that.

What about other systems that will be affected like electrical construction and generation. Or medical supplies. It goes on and on.

Oil powers this planet. There is no replacement for it.

[Greyhound]

151. Because the Cabal paid them to.

Royalty free to drill deep. 2004 IIRC.

[Alameda]

41. talking about regulations now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. PEAK OIL, FINALLY

[malaise]

48. He was nervous in the beginning but is firing on

all cylinders now. GObama!

[Subdivisions]

49. This is the THIRD time he's acknowledged that global oil production has peaked and

is not in decline.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. GREEN ENERGY

now what are you gonna ask the rest of us to do beyond those MINOR actions...

[Subdivisions]

59. THAT is what I was hoping to hear tonight. A bold admission of the problem, and then a plan to

take us down the right-hand side of Hubbert's Curve.

[robertpaulsen]

108. YES! I was hoping for the same. This gives me hope I haven't felt since the campaign.

I'm at work now, so I'm unable to watch, but I can't wait to see this!

[Smashcut]

102. Did he actually say the words PEAK OIL? Please give us specifics

for those of us stuck in an office :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. No, but he used the technical defintion of it

that we are running of cheap and easy to reach sources.

That is the definition.

In my mind he should have used the term, but then again that might not look good to the pro oil people.

[Smashcut]

122. OK thx

[Ruby the Liberal]

He is speaking to those who don't watch the news.

Praising Allen and Salazar, talking about MMS reorgs - stuff those paying attention already followed weeks ago (and for the most part, ikely already formed opinions about). He's about a month behind the news cycle in this day and age, but welcome to the joe six-packs, soccer moms, CEOS and those otherwise living in caves that have not been paying attention. :hi:

[Pavulon]

46. Westinghouse AP1000 China investing...(nt)

[LearnedHand]

50. "A medicine cloud"?????

[XemaSab]

117. I think the word was "menacing"

but yeah, I heard "medicine" at first.

[reflection]

138. I wondered about that too.

Glad someone cleared it up. That was a head-scratcher for a moment.

[Arkana]

52. Looks like he's serious about using the spill as a launching point

for an energy bill.

Fuck the Republicans.

[LearnedHand]

56. Wow, I hope you're right!

[tridim]

67. His most important speech, by far

I've been waiting my entire life for a visionary President. We have one now.

[patrice]

54. Accelerate transition to clean energy

[Subdivisions]

55. The President has just acknowledged for the THIRD time that we are at Peak Oil. Now,

we have to start living like it. Or, we can fly off the cliff like Thelma and Louise. And in that case, a LOT more that two people will die.

[patrice]

57. Can't afford not to change.

[LearnedHand]

58. Now THAT'S what I'm fucking talkin' about!!!

Yessssssss!!!!! We can't afford NOT to tackle it.

[Greybnk48]

71. Very exciting!!

[Arkana]

61. I'm hearing a lot of the same refrain from the health care speech in Congress:

"Now is our chance", "can't afford not to act now", etc.

That can't be a coincidence.

[patrice]

62. Will not settle for inaction . . . so I will . . . ? what? when inaction occurs.

[XemaSab]

119. He's spent the last 47 days settling for inaction

n/t

[patrice]

128. So the great and glorious XemaSab has turned against Obama! Remind me to never

trust you should the need arise.

[XemaSab]

146. I'm not against

I'm just not feeling the "for" tonight.

And FWIW, I think you have the capacity to bring it. Which is more than I can say for some people.

[LearnedHand]

68. God ... yada yada yada ... blessings ... ho hum ... prayer ...

[rsmith6621]

69. OH YAWN!!!!!!!!

...Just another bunch of hollow words from a President who has a bunch of corporate HACKS on the PEOPLES PAYROLL.....


.....In the words of a Tanya Tucker Song...Its A Little To Late To Do The Right Thing Now


.....Please Remove Goldman Sachs from the White House...

[CountAllVotes]

78. amen

big *sigh* ...

:dem:

[Arkana]

70. Ugh. I realize that whole "exceptional American spirit" thing

is required pablum for any Presidential address, but it makes my cynical atheist brain hurt.

[LearnedHand]

73. Ugh. Me too.

[ladjf]

144. I believe that he gave the top billing to "prayer" as the answer.

If that was actually what he meant then it would mean that (a) he was dumb enough to believe what he was saying or (b) he was disingenuous enough to try to influence the politics. Either way, I was
very disappointed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Ok that's it?

I feel quite LET DOWN...

[Subdivisions]

83. Did you expect anything more than being let down. I didn't. I wanted to hear a plan. No plan. Yawn.

[lib2DaBone]

87. Makes me think they will NEVER be able to stop the oil.. this is serious

.. but he didn't know how to come out and tell the American people... so he wrapped it in code workds

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Nah they will stop the flow

relief well, relief well, relief well...

But the recovery will take from ten to twenty years on a short time line. That's what he didn't know how to tell us...

Or for that matter that we are at PEAK OIL, (which he addressed) but how to deal with it, (which he really didn't). Commission... smtumision, that is the usual solution.

[patrice]

75. courage to reach . . . whose courage, yours? mine?, theirs? ours?

[Subdivisions]

77. Watch the pundits completely ignore the Peak Oil parts of his address... n/t

[Uzybone]

107. Peak Oil? what is that?

why isn't he angry?? Hey did you read the silly BP email? Hey did you know BP lied? Why cant we drill now?


Peak Oil? What the hell is that?

[XemaSab]

125. Peak Oil

is the idea that oil production is a bell curve... we have been producing more and more, but at some point global oil production will start to fall and we will slide down the back side of the curve face-first.

[nadinbrzezinski]

130. And for the US that started in 1973

:hi:

[Subdivisions]

142. And has occurred in 49 of the 64 oil-producing countries. All major producers are now in decline. nt

[myrna minx]

79. Uh, what was that?

We are screwed. :cry:

[Karmadillo]

89. +1

nt

[Liberal In Texas]

Well, besides the fund form BP, mostly just

platitudes. This is not helpful.

[LearnedHand]

80. Dayum! KO just said the Prez shot really low -- not much substance.

[Fearless]

86. Agreed. It wasn't anything special.

[Bluebear]

96. KO never really loved him!!!

:cry:

[bullwinkle428]

81. KO is NOT impressed. Let the bus roll!

:rofl:

[Trillo]

82. Flag was showing "arrows", the olive branches were on a fold. n/t

[patrice]

85. Does sound as though we're goin' to make BP pay. I wonder what kinds of programs will get funded.

[patrice]

88. Fuck off Katie Cookie. Bye.

[branders seine]

91. what a load of

nothing

[LearnedHand]

92. KO: He didn't aim low ... he didn't aim at all!

[flamingdem]

100. KO gets excited with his own tremendous intellect ? whaa nt

[Bluebear]

104. You think KO is stupid?

[flamingdem]

116. I don't know about you ... nt

[Bluebear]

123. Well that's a big non answer to the question :)

[elehhhhna]

118. KO delivers everything like it's a sports score. Meh.

[flamingdem]

132. ha ha that is SO true !! nt

[reflection]

95. It's about time he addressed it in this manner.

I'm glad he is trying to manage the message, and I look forward to hearing the actual policies and laws that should follow a message like that.

[XemaSab]

127. That speech should have been 5 weeks ago

n/t

[spanone]

97. what do these fuckers on teevee want from this President?

m$nbc

[Arkana]

101. They want him to alter time to cram 3 hours of policy into a 15-minute speech.

[City Lights]

126. They want him to wave his magic wand and make it all better. nt

[flamingdem]

98. tweety needs to shut up nt

[LearnedHand]

99. Chris Matthews: "Form a new CCC. Get people down there cleaning up the Gulf"

Right!!! That's the kind of thing I want to hear from the Prez.

[Gin]

106. the governors should request the national guard .....he mentioned that

he authorized 17000....I guess they have to ask first

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. And for technical reasosn, mostly the toxic slew

that is not what I want to hear from the Pres...

<------- HAZMAT training, and I would volunteer ONLY if I was promised life time health care... as well as top notch HAZMAT L-II gear.

Now there are things I wanted to hear... that I sort of did, but not really.

I wanted to hear a 10 year project to MOVE AWAY from OIL.

I wanted to hear a full escrow of BP US... I get it why historically we will not nationalize them, even if I was willing to eat my hat and be wrong over that.

I wanted to hear a time line for the recovery.

I could go on

Impressed, NOT... Commission, stumission, that is not the answer for everything.

[XemaSab]

129. Full HAZWOPR training is 40 hours

I did it in 4 days.

Put 2,000 people through it, and put them to work.

[nadinbrzezinski]

131. And again for technical reasons you just

cannot send people willy nilly.

Again. I KNOW what that is, the mess in the Gulf that is. I'd do it, after refresher and L-2 gear, but just willy nilly, NO

[XemaSab]

145. It's been almost two months

If people ran down there on the first day, it would be willy-nilly, but after two months we should have teams trained and ready.

[butterfly77]

148. But,that would...

take SPENDING and the republiCONS say we are doing too much SPENDING.

[XemaSab]

149. We're blowing out WADS of cash

for wars for oil.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. They are deploying them

and they are also running out of equipment.

Which leads to a logistics nightmare and strategic caches.

[bahrbearian]

134. There is a need for logistical workers.

[alp227]

120. Good speech, but the moratorium is too short.

NO MORE OFFSHORE DRILLING PERIOD! But I do support clean energy a la China.

[MineralMan]

124. Moratoriums are easily renewed.

[bdamomma]

136. I just hope Obama lays into Haywood tomorrow

or am I expecting too much???

[Arkana]

137. Yes.

Mostly because the CEO of BP is Tony Hayward.

:evilgrin:

[bdamomma]

139. oops thanks for the correction.

this crap better not make its way to RI.

[Catherina]

140. That disappointed even my low expectations. We're screwed. Royally screwed n/t

[Odin2005]

141. Disappointing

[moondust]

147. Where was the Shock and Awe?

We're waiting...

:sarcasm: