You should all be scared shitless by now.

[LeftyFingerPop]

IXTOC = 357 days, multiple relief wells, and 140 million gallons.

Now, go to this link:

http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/article/florida-sets-up-oil-spill-information-line1/886757/May-13-2010_10-48-am/

Deepwater Horizon as of right now (57 days)...click on the meter to toggle between high and low estimates...

High Estimate = 143 million gallons
Low estimate = 83 million gallons

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I have have been reading everything I can since this began. At the 1,000 and 5,000 bbls per day estimate, I went on record stating that the estimates were way too low. I was told that I was not looking at the "facts". At the 19,000 bbls per day estimate, I went on record stating that this was still way too low. I was told again that I was not looking at the facts, and that this was an "official Government estimate".

I am going to go on record again.

The estimate of 60,000 bbls per day is still too low. AS OF RIGHT NOW, this is bigger than IXTOC, and there is no end to be seen.

BP and the US Government know how much is coming out of this well, and it is not 60,000 bbls per day. They are slowly ramping up the publicly released estimates as to not cause a national panic.

Go and view Mr. Obama's speech from the Oval Office last night. During the first 30 seconds of that speech, there was fear in his eyes, and a nervousness in his tone.

There is a reason that we were not given a whole lot of specific details last night, but rather, we were asked to invoke our faith.

Mr. Obama knows that we are well and truly fucked. We are going to be spoon fed exactly how bad this is, until it becomes apparent that there is absolutely nothing we can do.

There is something wrong with the well casing below that sea floor that they KNOW they cannot fix.

Are you going to post some "facts" to counter this? Do you think I'm full of shit?

We'll see.

Look at the beginning of the speech last night, and look at how we are being spoon fed. That will tell you all you need to know.

[TexasObserver]

1. Yep. I've been at 72,000 to 86,000 barrels a day for a month.

The total in gallons is staggering.

I think they've pumped 200 million gallons into the gulf.

[LeftyFingerPop]

77. I buy water by the gallon.

The gallons sit on my counter top. When I look at those gallons of water, and then hear the number of gallons of oil in the gulf...I just can't get my head around these numbers.

[TexasObserver]

78. And when you see those flowing spots and think how many one gallon makes.

It's distressing.

[Ruby the Liberal]

88. Krispos42 gave a good mental picture yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8564524&mesg_id=8564601

[happygoluckytoyou]

140. SURE GLAD A RECYCLE ALL THOSE PLASTIC BAGS AT THE MARKET... WHY IN 29384758888394036904 YEARS ......

I WILL HAVE NEGATED THE SPILL

[TK421]

143. yeah, might as well stop recycling those...not worth a damn n/t

[glitch]

83. +4,000,000gal/day (been saying for at least a month, still too low) :( nt

[TexasObserver]

86. Mine was just a guesstimate from watching the well camera.

And ball parking the flow rate and amount.

Looks like a barrel a second could be coming out of there to me. That's 42 gallons. It would be 86,400 barrels a day, which would be 3,629,000 gallons a day.

It's a staggering amount every day.

[Grinchie]

92. Whats staggering is the ignorance of people regarding this substance

As a child, I recall advertisements that stated that 1 quart of used motor oil will contanimate/pollute 10,000 gallons of water.

I'm sure it's an easy thing to quantify. Just find an abandoned Mc.Mansion with a pool and try it out.

Furthermore, as a farmer, I am intimately aware of water, how much it weighs, how much to lay down without causing a catastrophe, etc.

I'm sure that a steady drip every 2 seconds underneath the kitchen sink would startle many people into frenzied response once they realized how much water was released over time. First, to contain the drip, then to remediate the spill, such as mopping up the water, drying everything out perfectly, and then repairing the destroyed particleboard, throw away the package of dry good, and dispose of chemicals that may have been contaminated..

A leaky kitchen sink above a loaded cabinent is a perfect microscopic example of this spill.

3,629,000 Gallons equates to 11 Acre Feet. 11 Acres covered to a depth of 12 inches. Or, 133 acres covered to a depth of 1 inch.

It's no wonder they are desperately using millions of gallons of dispersant to hide the actual flow rate. Truly a tragedy for humanity.

[TK421]

144. You're giving us actual numbers in relation to perspective here..thank you!!!

from the bottom of my heart, thank you for posting this! I hope others read it

[piratefish08]

2. agreed. K&R

[Mark D.]

182. This Is A World Emergency

My fear is the cover-your-butt, ramp it up tactic, to allay possible fear or admittance of failure, or under guidance of the corporatists and control is having one really bad effect. Only some in America are worried, sadly very few elsewhere in the world are worried or even care. There has to be an outcry. Every nation's available navy, every other oil industry in this f*cking world needs to be involved. Force BP out of the way if they can't keep up and don't want the help. Bring in the tankers, don't wait for anyone to ask for them. This is their world. If this isn't stopped as some estimates say until August, or December, or next year, it WILL be their problem too, and far too late by then.

If they wait until tar balls are washing up on the shores of Europe it will be too late. EVERY nation, EVERY business in any way related to oil drilling, the UN, you name it. Everyone in the world must be like a swarm of angry bees, descending on a bear (this oil leak) that is threatening their hive (the oceans). It's that serious. I don't know how we will stop this, or they will. But I can guarantee, if the world saw it as problem number one, and then put down everything else less important to help where they could, we could stop this and clean it up a lot sooner! The longer it takes to know the truth, to scare enough of them to enlist, the longer it will take to stop this and clean it up.

[Skidmore]

3. Why don't you just take your gnarly bad self down to the Gulf

and put your finger in that well to clog it?

God, I'm sick to death of all the ranting and raving and hyperventilating when reality is that, in real time, nothing with that closing that gusher can be accomplished that is being done. Now the clean up is a whole other thing, but its not like there's a giant bathtub stopper that can just be dropped in or a faucet that can be turned off. Hope the fact gathering keeps you busy and the venting makes you feel better. Beyond that, it doesn't do much for practical solutions.

[LeftyFingerPop]

6. Why don't you learn how to form a readable sentence?

"God, I'm sick to death of all the ranting and raving and hyperventilating when reality is that, in real time, nothing with that closing that gusher can be accomplished that is being done".

[trotsky]

7. Sure helps one grandstand, though!

Seriously, there is no one on this planet that doesn't want that gusher shut off. NO ONE. They can't work any harder or faster on this just because we found out it's gushing even more than we thought. It's a terrible tragedy, I feel very deeply for the people who live on and get their income from the Gulf. But the best thing that will come out of this is (hopefully) some much stricter regulations on doing this kind of work and preventing this destruction in the future.

[LeftyFingerPop]

9. Where did I say that they were not working on it?

Where did I say I didn't want it stopped?

Did you read the OP? Or did you just start shooting?

[trotsky]

16. Did you read MY post, or did you just start shooting?

Where did I say that they were not working on it?

I didn't claim that you did.

Where did I say I didn't want it stopped?

I didn't claim that you did that either.

So when you're ready to stop shoving words in my mouth, let me know and we'll chat.

[LeftyFingerPop]

18. Who were you referring to about grandstanding?

I apologize if I misunderstood your post.

[trotsky]

27. That's a completely different charge than what you just accused me of.

Straighten out your beef with me, and we'll discuss it.

[LeftyFingerPop]

30. I have no beef with you.

I apologized above in case I misinterpreted your response.

[trotsky]

32. No big deal. It's fine. Emotions are running high.

But I really don't see the point of a post like yours. Yes, it's bad. No, I don't think getting scared about it helps anything. Everyone wants to shut it off, and the people who have the best chance of doing that are working just as hard as they can to do so.

On edit: I should add, the one emotion we should feel is anger - directed at the freaking Bush administration and the oilmen who called the shots and made sure that no regulations were going to interfere with their right to profit from the Gulf.

[LeftyFingerPop]

33. Well, I expressed an opinion in the OP, and my opinion is that we should feel fear.

If you feel that fear is useless here, I could also make a case that anger is useless, but I won't. Both fear and anger are valid responses to this.

And I did not say that fear will help anything.

[trotsky]

34. Anger is a motivator. Fear is a demotivator.

Hopefully the anger gives our politicians the spine to clamp down on the fucking oil companies who are raking in billions in profit and STILL get subsidies and tax breaks.

(And it wouldn't hurt if that anger caused a few more people to cut down on their oil use, maybe take a bus now and then or turn off the lights when they leave a room.)

[LeftyFingerPop]

35. Fear is also a motivator. n/t

[LeftyFingerPop]

36. Also, tell that to Mr. Obama, who could not hide his own fear last night. n/t

[trotsky]

37. I didn't get that impression from him at all.

That's one of the things I like about him.

[LeftyFingerPop]

38. I don't know...

It took him a bit to calm down once he started talking.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. BS, fear is a huge motivator, maybe the prime one in life

That is just daft. Who taught you that? Someone who never thought it through I guess.

[trotsky]

46. Sorry, just don't see it that way.

And I've thought it through. But maybe I'm just really, really stupid.

[Lorien]

75. Never had a major hurricane headed for your home, have you?

How about those mothers who lift cars off their children? If you fear for your life, the life of a loved one or even just your home you can accomplish things that you never thought possible.

[trotsky]

76. Now you're just equivocating on a definition of fear.

Not interested.

[Grinchie]

105. These are true events, but they are fleeting

And the cost to the human organism is immense.

As far as the Hurricane goes, what if it never arrives? Or after a flurry of labor, it destroys your pathetic little consumables?

A society driven by fear is as powerful as an athlete that consumes nothing but Sugar for food.

Maybe fast in the short term, but totally worthless after the quick energy burns off, and the cells die due to malnutrition.

[tclambert]

192. Al Capone found fear to be a great motivator. That's why he took a baseball bat to that one guy.

OK, maybe that was just in the movie. But by bashing in the head of a guy who skimmed from him, he motivated the others at that meeting to double-check their accounting.

Al Capone--one of the great motivators in the history of management. Okay, so no sane person wants to work for a boss like that. Yet a lot of bosses try. Not so much with a baseball bat. Most use the threat of firing. "Do you want to lose your job?" "We can find someone who WILL do it!" "You should be grateful you still HAVE a job."

[Grinchie]

102. Fear is Non Thinking.

When an organism is in fear, they are dealing purely with survival and running for their lives. How many times have you seen a truly fearful person sit down and perform some algebra..

Fear motivates an organism to get the hell out of danger.. Thats it.

Now anger is a huge driver to affect change, while fear is weaksauce, which is why most people are so ineffective and stupid. They would rather hide their head in the sand than actually confront problems with well thought out solutions, because their brain is all shut down by fear.

[caseymoz]

126. That's what it's for but . . .

People have been motivated by terror to do some pretty elaborate things. The entire Soviet state was motivated by internal terror for seventy years, and it had some of the best mathematicians in the world, not to mention some great scientists, a few of whom went to the Gulag, and all of whom lived in daily fear of it, and for their very lives and the lives of their families.

[northernlights]

164. um, I sat down and performed some algebra many, many times last year

in such deep fear that I could barely read -- never mind decipher -- the chemistry problems. And then choose which formulas to use, in what order to reach from point A to point B, and not make a wrong turn and get lost in the fog.

I was so afraid one time (also sleep-deprived) that I broke down and cried in class. My professor brought me a chocolate. :loveya:

But my fear of failure had driven me to study, study, study. And in my panic, I managed to maintain my 4.0 average. In fact, I'd say it was fear that drove me to study, study, study and maintain that 4.0 average through lots of algebra -- statistics, chemistry, clinical chemistry, hematology...all terrifying exams, all loaded to the gills with algebra.

Fear is a great motivator. Moreso, and sadly I find, than love. And way more than anger. Anger wastes energy. Fear channeled properly directs it on target like a laser.

[Grinchie]

190. Well, anger get's me to solve problems better than fear

And fear of not passing a test has never been an issue in my life. I guess that I'm one of the fortunate few that just does the best work possible whatever the task, and don't need fear of failure as a motivator. I have a love for doing things properly and knowing about difficult subjects that interest me.

You description of fear induced panic frankly sounds like an unhealthy habit that will lead to problems down the road when the stress saps your energy beyond the tipping point.

While I do not pretend to say that chemistry problems are not tedious and complex, they are not something to stress out over, nor are they a one shot deal, since on has the choice to start over at any time.

I never said that Anger was good or efficient. It just happens to be a mechanism for waking us up to injustice, and once that is accomplished, a level head and a well thought response is the best approach.

If anger wasn't built in to the majority of Humans, we wouldn't have anger management classes for those that can't control their temper..

[northernlights]

193. I don't normally depend on fear as a motivator

I don't find chemistry problems at all tedious. In fact, had we had sufficient time to learn the concepts, instead of cramming them down at breakneck speed, I would have enjoyed them. As it happens, I had never feared passing a class before, and had no problem passing this one. In fact, to date I've maintained a 4.0 average in pre-medical science and math, and clinical sciences. Typically I'm passing the classes with a 98%+ average, often #1 in the class.

And one does NOT have the choice to start over at any time when one is in their mid-50s and starting over from scratch, having been robbed of their career, identity and life savings, has dependents to support, is unable to sell their home to pay to re-educate and is accepted in a program that has a 100% employment rate BUT is limited to 15 students/year with a 2-year and growing waiting list, in which a 77% average is an F and sends you to the back of the waiting list to start over. And to pay for the program had to take on debt that they can't pay off unless they finish the program or win a lottery, whichever comes first.

You claimed fear is not a motivator. I strongly disagree. Fear is a very strong motivator, and if you spend a lot of time meditating on it or in therapy, you learn that fear of loss/fear of hurt is the true emotion behind anger and rage. If you can get to the more basic emotion of fear, recognize it, and deal with it...then you don't need anger management classes.

Obviously, it's healthier to face challenges without fear or anger. But fear exists for a reason...and it shoots up the adrenaline as much as anger, and channels it in a safer way. Ever hear of the adage, "Fear lends wings to the feet?"

[caseymoz]

124. It's a biological fact, more demonstrable than any intellectual motivations.

I guess pain might be a bigger motivator. Really, I'm surprised anybody disputes this, more than I would be that anybody disputes evolution.

Why do you think people are always motivated to give everything they've got to an armed robber? What kept the Soviet Union operating for seventy-some years?

I'm not saying it's good, nor is it any good if people are in a fearful situation, but it's factual that fear is a great motivator, biologically speaking, fear and anger are like the primal motivators. If your body or mind is in fear or anger, they could do little else than respond to it.

[deutsey]

191. Fear is the motivator behind the fight-or-flight impulse

In that sense, it's a huge motivator in whether someone fights back against a perceived threat or runs away.

This kind of fear is often sudden and triggers one's deep animal instincts. However, I think there is a chronic psychological fear that can beat people down into submissiveness. Bush and his ilk were pretty good at perpetuating that kind of fear after 9/11.

[Lorien]

74. Where do you think anger comes from? It comes from fear

Make your rep fear for his or her political life if effective action isn't taken TODAY!

[ElboRuum]

106. Why should we? You never quite go into detail about that...

And I'd really like to know what this fear/anger fomented as it has been is supposed to accomplish, and why you've self-appointed as harbinger of doom...

[LeftyFingerPop]

107. My OP is my opinion.

And my opinion is that if you are not afraid of this thing, then you are not really paying attention. If you want to disagree, that's fine.

[ElboRuum]

116. I have another opinion...

If I'm not afraid of this thing... I don't scare easily.

And since I'm almost always paying attention, I'll just go so far as to say that your opinion's bucket has a hole in the bottom and all the water's leaking out.

Edited to add:

I read your OP. You give me all of these facts. You never really give me the "why" as to the fear factor here. Are you typically frightened by facts?

[LeftyFingerPop]

120. No, I'm not frightened by facts...if it is not obvious why I have a healthy fear, here you go...

My fear is that the well casing is worn away beneath the sea floor, in multiple locations. My fear is that the relief wells will not work because of the lack of casing. My fear, therefore, is that the relief wells will not stop the leak. Therefore, my fear is that the oil will flow until the well is dry. My fear, therefore, is that the Gulf, as well as a good portion of the Atlantic Ocean, as well as the related ecosystem, will be killed. My fear is that this oil will find its way into the drinking water. My fear is that toxic air will shut down the land area in the Gulf.

Of course, I could say that I am not afraid and that I don't scare easily.

[billh58]

169. Emotions such as

fear, anger, outrage, and sorrow, are helpful for satisfying inner needs, but do nothing to solve a collective external problem which we brought upon ourselves.

I hate to point it out, but this is not the first environmental disaster in this Age of Enlightenment, nor will it be the last, and we ALL share a portion of the blame. Like drug users, we are the demand side of the equation for corporations who supply us with fossil fuels, chemicals, and other industrial products and processes which pollute our environment.

The arguments that "the government did not regulate," or that "the corporations are too greedy," are true to a certain extent, but again like drug dealers, they are filling a demand. We tend to ignore the potential for disaster as we are filling up at the pump, and getting our next chemical fix.

Whether we slowly pump millions of cubic feet of noxious chemicals into our atmosphere each day on our way to work or play, or whether a supplier of those chemicals causes an "accidental" immediate release of millions of gallons of raw materials into the environment -- the end result remains a polluted atmosphere and planet.

I believe that the answer is to use the negative human energy that emotions consume, and turn it toward a positive and permanent solution. How many oil spills, nuclear meltdowns, chemically polluted rivers and lakes, and holes in our ozone layer will it take to pour the necessary manpower and capital into clean energy sources?

[ElboRuum]

196. Your fear is not of concern according to your OP.

It is ours that is of paramount concern, and apparently, it should be manifest and grave. I see no point in that.

[Grinchie]

I tend to agree with you -- Fear is useless here.

Anger channeled towards the thousands of people that let this happen, along with the system that promotes the pursuit of money as the end all for ones life, to the point where ethics and common sense don't make sense when it could mean your job is at stake.

Too many people are held hostage by the fact that their employers can fire them at will, causing sever disruption to their lives, so they toe the line and just do as they are told, or do anything they can to seemingly please their employers.

This is why Corporate America absolutely hates the Unions that were formed to shild workers from retribution for doing whats right when they are told to do something wrong, whether it is work in unsafe conditions, speak out against corruption, or just let it be know that thinks are screwed up which could harm the bottom line.

I've been in the position of whistleblower a few times in my life, and believe me, one thing you learn is how the system can make your life miserable. One learns very quickly that job security is a myth, and it is inevitably better to refuse to work at a job that is setting you up for failure, pollutes the planet, or your body, or creates inequity for others.

I lot of people tend to go along with the system simply because the other sheep are doing it, and they feel it won't make a difference, or they will put there livliehood and family in jeopardy, but if your mate is dissatified because you follow your ethics, you need another mate....

Temporary hardship is nothing but a wakeup call to adapt to a changing world and wake up from the Social Disease most Americans are infected with.. That disease is that Money is everything.

[Bonobo]

14. This is a discussion board. If you don't want to discuss...

keep your eyes shut and your fingers off the keyboard.

See how easy?

[earth mom]

55. Did you even read the OP?! The time for politics is OVER! We are being coddled & lied too!

That should piss you off and scare the hell out of you!

Instead you vent at the OP who didn't cause this mess and who is actually doing you a favor by warning you how damn bad it is!

Wake up and smell the oil that may be in your backyard soon!

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

94. ..

[Bluebear]

95. /ignore at long last. Enough waste of pixels. Talk about rude.

[grahamhgreen]

96. The solution is - NO OFFSHORE DRILLING.

And I would suggest sticking some kind of suction hose or pipe right into the flow and sucking it up.

[bdamomma]

194. maybe they should get all those oil CEO's and shove them

in that hole

[AtheistCrusader]

111. We are also mis-managing the cleanup, something the Coast Guard is partly responsible for.

There's plenty wrong here.

[donco6]

118. From "Stop talking about Obama" to "Stop talking about anything."

??

I guess we can all just sit here and look at our screens. My screensaver is nice. How 'bout yours?

[taterguy]

4. At least I'll save money on toilet paper

[LeftyFingerPop]

21. I thought you were an environmentalist?

You should be air drying.

[midnight]

5. K&R.

[sendero]

8. You expect less?

There is no truth from our government any more. They are handling this exactly the way they handled the economic crisis, lies, minimization, cooked numbers, fake "stress tests" etc, etc, etc.

Worry about the gulf because it is BAD and it is not going to recover for a very long time. But don't forget our entire economy is hanging by a thread just because Washington thinks they can fix it with skillful neglect.

[Grinchie]

108. They can't. They smell the end and they have innumerable backup plans

To instill more fear into the non-thinking fearful sheep that need a father figure to take care of their every need.

They just can't believe that daddy is a Psychopath, no matter how many times they are abused by him. My Daddy/Government would never do that!

[Bluzmann57]

10. "You should be scared shitless..."

And yet I'm not. Go figure.

[LeftyFingerPop]

11. yep.

Go figure.

[leeroysphitz]

69. Remain calm, all is well...

[Individualist]

71. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o0ExGXfs2o

[WinkyDink]

12. I am. I'm in PA. But what can I do, just pack up and move to N.Z.? No.

[LeftyFingerPop]

13. I'm in NY.

There is nothing we can do.

[Grinchie]

109. Why not? People have done it in the past.

Yes you can. All it takes is making up your mind.

I did it, and it DOES work.

[BrklynLiberal]

15. sad....just sad...in so many different ways...

[stray cat]

17. How does fear help stop the oil flow.?

[LeftyFingerPop]

19. It doesn't.

[Greyhound]

20. You see, that's how the game is played.

Singing, with your fingers in your ears, while the fill-in-the-disaster is unfolding.

Ridicule everyone that gets upset/tries to warn, as a chicken-little/hyperbole monger/Party hater, until it is in fact too late to do anything.

Then come out with either a pro forma mea culpa, or claim to "have known it all along but what can you do?":shrug:.
:kick: & R

[laughingliberal]

65. +1000 Another 'no one could have predicted' in the making. nt

[Grinchie]

110. Mea Culpa after the fact seems to be the status quo these days.

[kenny blankenship]

22. 19,000bbl/day was too low; 120,000bbl/day is unacceptably high. Can't we compromise ?

Let's pretend the truth lies somewhere in between. For the sake of moderation?

[LeftyFingerPop]

47. Unacceptably high is closer to the truth. n/t

[northernlights]

79. reality doesn't compromise. It simply is.

You can face it and deal with it. Or try to pretend it's not what it is...and get run over by it.

Or did I misunderstand, and were you imitating the President?

[rug]

23. As soon as he mentioned al Qaeda in the first minute of his speech, I knew we were fucked.

[LeftyFingerPop]

25. Yep. Excellent point...

That kind of made me scratch my head... :hi:

[tekisui]

44. That was a big WTF?!?!?!

I mean what the fuck does AQ have to do with anything?

It was a nice admission though that he finally owned up to secret ops all over the world. We are wherever AQ is.

[Catherina]

59. My reaction as well. Utter shock. Disgust too n/t

[earth mom]

56. Yeah, that should have been the tip off.

:yoiks:

[truebrit71]

60. Yup. Normally that was a * speciality...

...and then the WWII references..

Seriously :wtf:

[MissDeeds]

141. Amazing

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

[flyarm]

150. when he spoke in the first minute or two of BP like they were our friends and would be staying in

charge of this disaster..I knew we were fucked!

I knew they were in collusion!

And when he didn't mention gulf homeowners would be getting aide for the losses we will have on our property values crashing..I also knew we were all fucked! And when he never mentioned any of the following items..I knew we were fucked!

The federal government takes over the clean up operations. It institutes close cooperation with local groups and government.

The federal government requires that BP turn over all of its data on the spill and it starts live casting what is going on at the well.

It freezes all of BP’s leases, permits, and enjoins BP from asset hiding.

It requires that deepwater wells have two relief wells drilled and ready to go.

It stops having government agencies running interference for BP: MMS, OSHA, EPA, Coast Guard, NOAA, FAA, Interior, Homeland Security, etc.

It reviews all deepwater permits and revokes all waivers.

Diversify the US military’s petroleum suppliers to lessen BP’s clout over the USG and reduce our vulnerability to disruptions within any one supplier.

[Mimosa]

166. Flyarm, those points help me understand the 'what's missing?' I felt last night n/t

[Laelth]

24. You're probably right. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[cali]

26. just what good is being scared shitless?

Fear is largely a negative factor.

[LeftyFingerPop]

28. I didn't say it was good.

[cali]

29. no, you said we should be scared shitless

indicating that was the suitable emotion. I choose not to be.

[LeftyFingerPop]

31. OK. n/t

[earth mom]

58. I haven't seen you post in ANY of the oil threads. You're not scared because the spill makes

your guy look bad.

Talk about pathetic. :puke:

[dgibby]

39. You won't get any agrument out of me.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I'm 64, and this is, without a doubt, the biggest ecological catastrophe of my lifetime to date, and it's only just begun.

[Juneboarder]

67. Catastrophe

I couldn't agree with you more there. I have made it a point to correct everyone that calls it a spill (not on posts, but in real life). I'm only 30, but I agree with you in that this has got to be the worst catastrophe we've seen. The gulf was not built over night, by scientists trying to re-create what nature created over millions or billions of years.

It tears me apart and makes me sick to my stomach when I think about it, and even more when people try and down play the extent of the disaster.

[lunatica]

40. It doesn't matter whether you're right or not about the numbers

The Gulf of Mexico is a dead ocean walking. It will the catastrophe, the crime, against which all other catastrophies in the future are measured.

[LeftyFingerPop]

41. I think the numbers do matter...

because the reason the Gulf will be dead is because of the numbers.

I agree with you that this will be the measurement benchmark.

[Juneboarder]

68. Hey Lefty...

I totally agree with you on this posting here. After the first few weeks of skewed numbers and mis-reportings, I gave up on trusting anything from the media and just assume it millions of gallons per day. People might think we are crazy.

"Oh no, only 200,000 gallons/day (Excuse me: :puke: ) are being spilled"

Whatever the number that's being reported, multiply it by 10 or maybe 100, because we won't be told the true numbers until the gulf is completely dead and everyone has evacuated to a place where they can actually breathe clean air again.

[pengillian101]

188. Posted by Juneboarder I totally agree with you on this posting here. After the first few weeks o

Whatever the number that's being reported, multiply it by 10 or maybe 100, because we won't be told the true numbers until the gulf is completely dead and everyone has evacuated to a place where they can actually breathe clean air again.

[Poll_Blind]

48. The more time goes by the less I flinch when I read posts like yours and....

...that's because in the interim I've been reading more and more articles which seem to indicate your view is actually the less-emotional, fact-based assessment.

And that makes me very sad, but that's not your fault.

I am a week or a couple of weeks or a month away from actually demanding rolling heads for this. The rep. from Louisiana who indicated these execs (to their faces) should kill themselves, ritually, is starting to look more and more logical as time goes by.

PB

[LeftyFingerPop]

50. I feel the same way exactly.

I'm no scientist.

But, from the very beginning of the videos, one could simply look at the gusher, and imagine that coming out of a 21 inch stainless steel washtub. Then, one could apply a percentage of how much of the gusher consisted of gas. Say 60% to be conservative. Even after that quick and dirty analysis, the only conclusion that a person could come to is that there was a boatload of oil coming out of that thing every second.

Also, as soon as I heard Hayward say that only a few acres would be affected...all bets were off.

[Juneboarder]

70. Ugh... did you catch Tony's commercial on TV?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKcrDaiGE2s

[LeftyFingerPop]

81. lol...I sure did.

The guy is a psycho.

[mix]

42. k&r nt

[Pooka Fey]

43. Holy shit.

:scared:

[kjackson227]

49. Yes, emotions are running HIGH. We all know that this disaster...

won't be resolved soon. I also saw a nervousness in the President last night, and he's looking vey gaunt. He did say that in a few days 90% of the leak will be capped, and in the upcoming weeks or months some type of covering/reservoir/tank will be made to stop the leak completely, so we should pray that this is true and that BP is not lying to us, AGAIN.
In the meantime, I'm not watching any more cable news for a while. I'm tired of hearing the pundits complain about the President not doing enough (not sure what else they want him to do),and I get depressed at the images.

One thing is for sure -when I do buy my next vehicle, it most definitely will be a hybrid, and not some damned gas guzzler.

[Grinchie]

112. Is this the Manhattan Project for Energy everbody was yearning for?

If it is, I am extremely disappointed, simply because of the necessity to do this to feebly attempt to make a collossal Catastrophe less collosal

Meanwhile, we get story is that proclaim Solar Energy as unviable because of a lack of coherent energy policy.

My next car will run on Water with oil dispersed in it. The only by-product will be distilled water and the gunk thak gets left behind.

[hughee99]

51. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

At least we won't have to worry about the economy, social security and health care since this will surely kill us all by 2012, in accordance with the Mayan Calender.

[LeftyFingerPop]

52. Yes, we are.

One way or another.

[alterfurz]

63. recently seen bumpersticker: "The Mayans were optimists"

[earth mom]

53. This is the best OP on DU today. You nailed it-we are in deep shit.

No doubt about it.

Obama was telling us to pray it's that bad.

Too bad I'm agnostic.

[LeftyFingerPop]

54. Thank you...

And please pray anyway (couldn't hurt!). :)

[Lorien]

73. The problem is that prayer is so often used in place of real action

We-the American people, our government- should be attacking this like it were an emergency military operation. All hands on deck, the best minds on the job, calling in help from the UN, etc. etc. But that's not what's being done. Let's DEMAND action from every rep we have TODAY!

[LeftyFingerPop]

80. I don't disagree with you.

Your points are very valid, and "attacking" this problem is an appropriate word to use here.

My concern is this...this whole situation is becoming like a real life disaster movie. I consider myself to be a fairly rational person, but I am starting to have some deep fears that I dare not post here.

[Grinchie]

113. Sorry, we're tied up in Iraqistan.

All the Navy subs are sitting in the desert at Bagrahm AFB waiting for deployment.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

142. SO TRUE

Those prayer over action types need to be reminded that the Great Spirit helps those who help themselves...

[Dystopian]

57. KandR.

Spoon fed for sure.
And he tells us to pray...

This is beyond frightening ... no end in sight.


peace~

[anarch]

61. I don't think we should be any more scared

than, say, a person who gets some kind of inoperable cancer after decades of smoking or something like that. That's kind of how that speech played out for me...trying to break the news gently, and saying "we'll treat this to the best of our abilities", but in the end you might as well just pray for courage because there ain't shit that's really going to fix it.

And all the platitudes and vague notions and "this is our opportunity to break free from the tyranny of fossil fuels" and whatnot...well, maybe 30 years ago was the time to really focus on renewable energy in time to mitigate some pretty intense hardship. Maybe we'll make some headway now, but the next 50-300 years or so are going to suck big time, no matter what we try to do at this point. And I'm not just talking about the Gulf region.

I'm not scared so much as sickened and appalled. Our species' greed and ignorance has unleashed a horror. Our culture will be utterly hated by future generations for this.

[laughingliberal]

66. +1 nt

[Grinchie]

114. It's called Overshoot, and you're right, it sucks big time.

[newspeak]

62. I am very concerned about the spill

but I am not going to let fear rule me. After 9/11, the media and the * administration 24/7 used fear to persuade a frightened public to war and to accept using torture. FEAR causes one to lose IQ points-to lose reason. No, I am not fearing, I am angry-angry at politicians who have favored corporations over the people time and time again. Angry at all of the deregulating fools-angry at bailing out "too big to fail" corporations while mainstreet is losing their DECENT jobs to those same corporations.

I have stated more than once-corporations, through their irresponsible, and sometimes deliberate acts, have hurt and killed more people-and yet, most of the time do not see punishment. If a person, committed the crimes that some corporations have gotten away with, they'd be in prison for life or the death penalty.

The S&L scandal, billions were bilked from mainstreet-and yet, we are still paying for it. We pay for our own bilking--now how sick is that? No, I quit fearing after 9/11--seeing all of the bullshite propaganda by the MSM and our government to "catapult" their (corporate) agendas. No fear left-just disgust and anger at the biggest, incompetent, corrupt, greedy, sociopathic pricks in the world.

[femrap]

64. Yep....

WASF.

Diaspora follows hurricane.

The only fair Karma would be for the hurricane to take aim at Houston....where many of the rich oil boyz reside. They can then get a whiff of what they've done to the other Gulf states.

[tnlefty]

133. I share your sentiments that the rich oil boys should be

hurt by this.

Is WASF, we are so fucked?

[femrap]

167. Yep....

WASF....I really feel that sums up my feelings on our situation....even before the BP mess.

[Greyhound]

72. K&R for more of that "change".

[nashville_brook]

82. LFP -- you are right on with this analysis, and you're not the only one saying it.

i "hope" you're wrong. but, you're right on with your assessment of the address. i saw it too.

[LeftyFingerPop]

84. I thought it might have been my imagination...

I actually got goosebumps at the beginning of the speech.

[HipChick]

87. Didn't you just post that you were taking a break from DU for a while?

or are you just back to whip up the fear level? The Mayans already had it covered...

[LeftyFingerPop]

89. I am trying to get back in here between personal issues...why do you ask?

[LeftyFingerPop]

90. Or are you saying that I can't come back in until you are ready?

Or are you not going to respond to my question after accusing me of whipping up fear?

[S n o w b a l l]

135. He also posted that thread in the lounge....not GD.

I think his point was he wouldn't be posting his light hearted, funny threads in the lounge because of some serious family issues.

Doesn't mean he's taking time off from being concerned about what's going on in the world.

Your post was rude and it's actually none of your business if he posts or doesn't.

[HipChick]

153. No need for a personal attack..If someone posts that they have personal family issues

that will keep them away from posting...I take them at their word...

[LeftyFingerPop]

157. Are you going to answer my questions above? If not, please...

do not speak of things you know nothing about. I posted that I may be gone a short time or a long time. Go read the post. What concern is it of yours when I post?

Am I posting in the lounge? No. Will I post tomorrow? Probably not. Do you need me to explain my situation in detail? What is your problem?

I suggest you let this go.

[HipChick]

159. Extremely strange response to a genuine question...

:shrug: but to answer your question...nope..I don't buy into the fear drama..a corporation that is honest? I'm not that naive..

[LeftyFingerPop]

160. .

.

[HipChick]

161. I not on DU daily...so was surprised to see you posting that's all

not sure why you felt the need to attack me..

You asked me to answer the question..I did...jeez, I really can't win..

[LeftyFingerPop]

163. Here, read what you typed to me...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8569047&mesg_id=8571848

Stating that I am trying to whip up fear is what started this.

I'm done with this conversation.

Goodnight.

[S n o w b a l l]

158. Never mind...not worth it.

[Moondog]

91. K & R

[smoogatz]

93. I'm not scared shitless. Sorry.

I think it will eventually be shut down, and the Gulf will eventually recover--though it may take a generation or two. That's obviously a terrible outcome, but I think it's likely to be the case. Obama comes up short in not declaring a national emergency, I think: my feeling is that we should seize BP's assets, put a once-and-for-all halt to spraying dispersants, take over the cleanup operation under federal guidelines and make sure all the workers have full OSHA protection, and commandeer every skimmer vessel we can get our hands on. I think Obama's response is much too muted, and it would be a real breakthrough to see him say "screw the wingnuts" and just do the right damn thing for once. Meanwhile, though, if this is the impetus we need to finally get clean energy rolling and get off the oil tit, that's a major, major silver lining.

[LeftyFingerPop]

97. Good post. I disagree with your assessment of recovery, but agree with most. n/t

[EFerrari]

98. Have been and for weeks.

:(

[LeftyFingerPop]

100. Hang in there.

:pals:

[EFerrari]

101. Thanks, Lefty. You, too.

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

99. If oil is "national security/war" . . . then BP and government are partners . . .!!!

[Grinchie]

117. As always, you distill the associations into a manageble bite for all

Of course they are partners.. They are dependant upon one another, just like Monsanto, DOW, Boeing, Caterpillar, etc..

These industries MUST be kept alive on life support simply because they could not exist on their own, so they crafted a society that "Needs" Oil, toxic chemicals, and airplanes that gulp erormous quantities of fuel, as well as an Agricultural System that absolutely depends on cheap, plentiful oil to function in it's current form, all the while depleting the soils of the earth until they collapse.

Fuck them all.

[ElboRuum]

103. Well, I'm not.

I don't scare easily. "Well and truly fucked?" Pfft. Been there, done that.

[Kermitt Gribble]

127. Tough guy, huh?

Where do you live? Apparantly, not anywhere near the Gulf, or you'd be afraid for the welfare of everyone you know.

[grahamhgreen]

104. Why does this man not know what to do with a wet, lubricated hole?

Crap, maybe I crossed the line with that one...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

179. !

[elocs]

115. If we are well and truly fucked, then what is the point of being scared shitless about it?

Will being scared shitless make me any less fucked or somehow otherwise improve my life?

[ElboRuum]

119. No. it won't.

But it is very important that we be frightened, and as much as possible. Because that's what's important.

[LeftyFingerPop]

121. No, that's not what is important.

[ElboRuum]

195. Really? Then why foment fear with such vigor?

If it truly is not important, why do you concern yourself with such diversions?

[The Midway Rebel]

122. The Presidents Fears

This tragic and historic event, at best, this will hang like an oily black albatross around his neck for the rest of his days.

At worst, this IS the end of days.

I feel for the guy...and the GoM.


I'm gonna go throw up now.

[waronbanks]

123. Spot on Lefty

Once I learned the facts, early on I said America's history was going to become marked as "before the oil" and "after the oil". And the after the oil chapter is very fucking scary.

The gulf is destroyed. BP is using toxic,even deadly chemicals to try to cover up the damage which is causing a bigger catastrophe. And the administration is working with them.

When it stops, how far it spreads and how much is destroyed in its path is the mystery no one knows the answer to.

This is the beginning of a very long dark chapter in America's and even the worlds history. It could and I think will end up an apocalyptic event.

[LeftyFingerPop]

125. apocalyptic event...

If they can't stop that gusher, it will be. It is just too big...something approaching the size of IXTOC in 1/6th of the time does not bode well.

[annabanana]

128. THE DAMAGE IS UNDER THE FLOOR OF THE OCEAN..

I hardly ever use caps.. but this is something that was reported in the early days of the "spill" and hasn't gotten much attention since. Even if they cap the damn thing, the well is compromised well below the surface of the ocean floor, and the leaks are multiple and unstoppable.

Tom Hartman talked about it on his show last week.

[LeftyFingerPop]

129. You are most probably correct. I believe the casing is compromised and no one will disclose that.

[shireen]

132. what about the relief well?

If they started pumping the reservoir out from the relief well, would that alleviate the pressure of oil that's being forced out of the well and floor breaks?

I don't know about the ocean geology and how those reservoirs are positioned, just wondering how it all works ....

[caseymoz]

130. I don't what you meant by seeing fear in his eyes.

I didn't read that. I still don't think he gets it. This is at the least, US' Chernobyl.

At the worst, it's also the end of the world, or at least the beginning of the end, unless he can close this hole.

You're going to see things begin to change very quick. Expect BP to be in receivership within the month, either temporary or permanent.

That won't be the only change. Crises like this create major changes.

[KakistocracyHater]

131. scientists should be moving coral reefs & gathering all the sealife they can

& build large aquariums just a little inland simultaneously, we have enough people to do this.
Also South Carolina should be putting up boom & how about macro-sized liquid vacuum for the oil globs that look like poop? Now the wealthy hoteliers & restaraunt owners see what's what, perhaps they'll see to it that clean-up crews have better meals than powdered eggs & lunches they're told "MAY have been out in the heat too long", so you clean up crews maybe ought not to have lunch.

How about man-made sand-bars to catch the oil in front of the actual beaches/shoreline?

[northoftheborder]

134. Fear in Obama's eyes is what I saw last night

[gleaner]

136. I have been scared shitless since the first days of the event ...

Everything you say adds up, and it makes a lot of sense. No one knows what to do, but they are not trying very hard either. I am flabbergasted, terrified and completely at a loss. Thanks for laying it all out for us so clearly. K&R.

[bongbong]

137. Mayans

I think the oil will stop coming out of this BP masterwork around Dec 21, 2012.

[sulphurdunn]

138. Worst Case Scenario

They don't know how much oil is in the reservoir. They can't shut if off. They can't clean it up. It will intersect the Gulf Stream, move up the Atlantic coast and eventually reach the Arctic. It will greatly exacerbate global warming and may be the tipping point for a mass extinction event. This could happen in a year or less.

[JDPriestly]

139. You are absolutely right. Obama is just trying to get the public to be calm.

[mochajava666]

145. You are absolutely right

First there was the low flow numbers, then the denial of huge underwater plumes, then no explanation as to why the top kill was suddenly halted for 12 hours.

The rupture below the ocean floor is evident, and the consequences of that seem to be getting digested rather slowly each day. I'm not sure if maybe there isn't consensus as to all of the consequences, but there seems to be agreement that some or all of the casing may be compromised, which would make a relief well ineffective.

Also, why not more relief wells, and have they restarted working on the 2nd well, or are they still scavenging that well for parts to keep the first one going as fast as possible? Not many details are available anywhere.

[havbrush]

146. Pandora

This is a real-life Pandora's box and nobody knows how to stop it or how it's going to affect not just the gulf, but the Carribean and the Atlantic. They are connected. The gulf is not a body of water with walls separating it from the rest of the waters of the world. We are truly screwed if we don't get it stopped. I keep hearing calls for a small nuclear device to collapse the rock of the ocean floor atop the well and seal it off. The force of the explosion would turn the rock to glass and thus, seal it. Good God! Does that sound like it would work under a mile of water? All our feeble attempts to stop this are almost Keystop Kopsian in their ineptness and some are willing to risk nuclear down there? The problem seems to be BP is not really trying to plug it but to harvest as much oil as they can to recoup their investment. They need to be taken off the job and the military, working with the best scientific minds, put in charge to get the job done.

[LeftyFingerPop]

147. Welcome to DU, havbrush !

:hi:

[flyarm]

148. I believe you are correct..and the reason I believe you are correct..the day after the explosion on

Fla news..they said numerous times..the main pipe ( i forget the tech name) was not stable..they said that was the biggest fear BP had..they talked with numerous Fla Univ scientists who also reiterated it was a dangerous situation..IF.. (oh yeah, now i remember).. "the Riser"... broke loose or became more unstable than it already was..there would be no way to shut off the oil..not with other wells being opened ..they said nothing would stop the oil until it ran out and they said no one knew how much oil that well could have ..it could run for years and years.

I sat stunned when I was watching this be discussed on our local Fla Tv News.

[LeftyFingerPop]

149. Exactly, and I think that by next week...

we will start hearing more and more about this scenario.

[flyarm]

155. I also sat here last night screaming when Obama said BP would be sucking up 90% of the oil..

I was screaming 90% of how much?????? I thought ..this man can not think all Americans are this stupid..can he????????

90% of just how fucking much?? 1000 barrels..5000 barrels? 15-19,000 barrels ..or 20,000 barrels..or the new fucking number of 60,000 barrels?? 90% OF HOW FUCKING MUCH??????????????

WTF..does this man really think we are this stupid??

Well..I guess some People are.........

[stuart68]

151. To all those who say "we all want it stopped"

That doesn't mean crap.

Every team that takes the field in the playoffs WANTS to win the Super Bowl, however only 1 figures out how to do it. Just because Obama wants to do it, doesn't mean he can. Just because he is doing all he can, doesn't mean he will. And just because everyone is working on it, doesn't mean the right people are working on it.

He is doing a lousy job of getting this fixed.

[stuart68]

152. To all those who say "we all want it stopped"

That doesn't mean crap.

Every team that takes the field in the playoffs WANTS to win the Super Bowl, however only 1 figures out how to do it. Just because Obama wants to do it, doesn't mean he can. Just because he is doing all he can, doesn't mean he will. And just because everyone is working on it, doesn't mean the right people are working on it.

He is doing a lousy job of getting this fixed.

[Glimmer of Hope]

154. I don't think I am going to sleep well tonight.

[Mimosa]

156. Yikes...I saw the fear in his eyes too

Leftyfingerpop: "Go and view Mr. Obama's speech from the Oval Office last night. During the first 30 seconds of that speech, there was fear in his eyes, and a nervousness in his tone.

There is a reason that we were not given a whole lot of specific details last night, but rather, we were asked to invoke our faith.

Mr. Obama knows that we are well and truly fucked. We are going to be spoon fed exactly how bad this is, until it becomes apparent that there is absolutely nothing we can do.

There is something wrong with the well casing below that sea floor that they KNOW they cannot fix."

I pray our fears are exaggerated, LFP. But I've been reading obsessively too.

[JoeyT]

162. Huh. All the people that aren't enraged or afraid of the oil spill appear

to either not have a location listed or live in landlocked states far away from the damage.
Funny how that works.

[Mimosa]

168. ^ I've noticed that too ^ n/t

[S n o w b a l l]

172. Right...

Or no profile at all.

[crim son]

165. Unbelievable, some of the responses to the OP.

However they're fun to read, from the poster who practically bares and beats his chest to prove he's not scared of anything, to the poster who wants to argue semantics as if that somehow nullifies LFP's point.

Good post, Lefty. It's just a shame that, whether or not we choose to acknowledge how hopelessly deep we are sunk in shit, we will all soon be drowning in it.

[LeftyFingerPop]

171. Thanks a lot, crim son

:hug:

[noamnety]

170. I believe you are right.

There was a public radio interview I heard a while back, I don't remember the name of the guy being interviewed, but it was about how there was no possible way that the BP estimates were accurate. I sort of knew that in my gut, but it was out there in the open at that point, and I still didn't hear the White House chiming in on that. And then there were the underwater plume denials, and I didn't hear the White House chime in on that, even though I knew again what the truth was.

I understood that things were to a point where the White House couldn't talk about it. That, combined with government officials cutting off media and air access and trying to pass it off as BP's decision, put it squarely in the state secrets/national security level of serious.

[mikita]

173. agree and waiting for the next shoe to fall, when we

start experiencing the effects of all that toxic shit evaporating and covering everything with toxic rain and toxic air. Can't imagine too many crops growing under oil.

I guess we'll get to experience first-hand what the birds and fish and sea mammals are going through. And I don't think it's just going to be a "coastal" problem then.

Thanks for your post.

[bertman]

174. The President looked like a scared little boy when he started his speech

last night. None of that confident, almost cocky, smartest-guy-in-the-room air about him. He looked diminished and weak.

It's funny that you called it fear, LeftyFingerPop, because I had seen it as the look of someone who has been defeated. It freaked me out at first, then as he droned on about fighting al Qaeda and the recession, blah blah blah blah, I just got angrier.

Tonight on the Rachel Maddow Show, Rachel gives HER VERSION of the speech President Obama should have given last night. It is absolutely PERFECT. Perfect for a situation where there is something we could actually DO to stop this thing and the damage. I don't think it would be possible for any President to give that speech Rachel gave if he/she knew the true danger that spewing hole in the ocean floor is doing. If anyone on the planet knows how bad this REALLY is, it is President Obama. Sadly, I agree with you, Lefty, that he was dispensing small doses last night. Small doses that were not comforting in the least.

The IRONY of this event is that the very substance that has allowed humankind to become so technologically "advanced" and so adaptable and so prolific on this often harsh planet, may be the very thing that destroys us and the other organisms around us. It's like a hellish form of poetic justice being dispensed by the cosmos.

RECOMMEND.

Now that I think back to some other apocalypse stories from other times, the one that strikes me is the lore about Atlantis being destroyed by the very thing that gave Atlantis its power.

[LeftyFingerPop]

175. Excellent post... thank you. n/t

[cliffordu]

176. Is this a planet killer?

[HipChick]

177. People are reacting as it is...

Can it hit the water supply/water table?:shrug:

[flyarm]

181. In Florida it sure as hell can destroy our water supply!! Yes ..indeed!

Is Florida drinking water supply threatened by BP Gulf oil spill? (Video)
http://www.examiner.com/x-17299-Hernando-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m5d6-Is-the-Florida-drinking-water-supply-threatened-by-Gulf-oil-spill-invasion

May 6, 1:43 PMHernando County Political Buzz ExaminerMaryann Tobin


Florida’s rivers, lakes and streams are an integral part of the Florida aquifer, which supplies fresh drinking water to more than 18 million people.
Emergency response operations in Hernando County have been bumped to level 3, as officials closely monitor the oil slick’s movement.


snip:

“The Floridian aquifer.. is one of the most productive aquifers in the world. Each day Floridians use about 2.5 billion gallons of water from the Floridian aquifer.”

Nearly 100% of Florida’s drinking water supply comes from its aquifer.
The consequences of aquifer contamination from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill would be an immeasurable catastrophe for virtually every living thing on the Florida peninsula.

[TK421]

178. right now I don't even care if I don't wake up tomorrow n/t

[jotsy]

180. The window to our future is not looking like a pretty picture, no. Ain't no hiding that now.

You came over here and did exactly what you said you would and impressively at that.

RECOMMENDED

[sce56]

183. Jesus must be an act of God!

Uh yeah an act of god like this one

The Associated Press
Tuesday, June 15, 2010; 9:15 PM

MONROE, Ohio -- A six-story statue of Jesus Christ was struck by lightning and burned to the ground, leaving only a blackened steel skeleton and pieces of foam that were scooped up by curious onlookers Tuesday.

The "King of Kings" statue, one of southwest Ohio's most familiar landmarks, had stood since 2004 at the evangelical Solid Rock Church along Interstate 75 in Monroe, just north of Cincinnati.

The lightning strike set the statue ablaze around 11:15 p.m. Monday, Monroe police dispatchers said.

The sculpture, about 62 feet tall and 40 feet wide at the base, showed Jesus from the torso up and was nicknamed Touchdown Jesus because of the way the arms were raised, similar to a referee signaling a touchdown. It was made of plastic foam and fiberglass over a steel frame, which is all that remained Tuesday.

So Jesus was destroyed by an act of God, Lightning, I don't think praying will help the Gulf what we need there is all the help even if it comes from another country since if it continues this will effect other countries also. Oh yeah I don't believe in Fairy tales either!

[AbbeyRoad]

184. Yes, this scares me.

My fear is that your assessment is accurate, and the public is being slowly acclimated to the truth.

I have an imagination that can run wild and toward the macabre, and I sincerely hope that someday I'll be able to look back on this as another time it got away from me.

[Poboy]

185. If he knows 'we' are truly fucked,

then where are the skimmers? Where is the comprehensive plan of attack to contain it? Where is the sense of urgency?
I sensed none of that. We need much more manpower and materials, as well as coordinated effort.

I gotta tell you, this is about to get totally out of hand.

[Greyhound]

186. ..

[New Dawn]

187. K&R

[Name removed]

189. Deleted message

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[In_The_Wind]

197. I have been since I heard they weren't going to cap the well ...

for 3 months. :scared: