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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:01 PM
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Video - Oil Confirmed to Be Leaking from Cracks in Sea Floor
A new study by marine scientists indicates that the oil spill was pumping not 5,000/barrels of oil in the Gulf per day, but a whopping 70,000. Meanwhile, a oil leak video has surfaced and it is spending shockwaves throughout the world. On the video, we see oil leaking from the oil floor. What does this mean? It means that the oil pipe in the ocean has burst and now the oil is leaking from the seafloor. Simply put, there’s probably no realistic way we can stop this. I highly recommend you check out the video above.

I think BP knows that it’s best option is to cover this up and prevent people from seeing just how badly they screwed up. BP is engaging in one of the greatest cover ups of all time. You don’t have to take my word for it. I’ve got a video on this problem, too. Just look down!

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/ROV_films_oil_leak_coming_from_rock_cracks_on_seafloor

http://nola.humidbeings.com/posts/detail/135700/Video-Oil-Confirmed-to-Be-Leaking-from-Cracks-in-Sea-Floor
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:05 PM
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1. Oh, shit.
:(
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:08 PM
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3. I'll second that n/t
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:06 PM
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2. This would explain why top-kill failed. The mud was simply flowing out through the ruptures.
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 03:10 PM by Selatius
If the pipework below the surface of the seafloor were intact, the top-kill method would work, but if they are compromised, what would happen is the mud would simply escape through the ruptures, and pretty soon there will be no more mud in the system, and the oil will simply come back out.

If the ruptures below the surface are big enough, it will cause the seafloor below the BOP framework to begin to erode You will begin to see oil coming up out of the seafloor itself. This may mean what remains of the blow-out-preventer framework could actually begin to list as the ground beneath it is undermined, and eventually, if the erosion is not stopped, the entire BOP will fall over, leaving the drill bore exposed directly to the ocean itself. The whole framework can weigh as much as 450 tons last time I watched CNN describe it.

At that point, we could begin to imagine the worst of all scenarios.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:11 PM
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4. You don't know what you are talking about.
More than likely a rupture in the casing down hole is causing this. However, if the relief well can get to its destination and inject mud and cement in the lower part of the borehole before the BOP falls off the well can still be plugged. The reason more oil is coming out now is to release the pressure on the BOP. It is a race against the clock but they still have a chance to fix this.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:16 PM
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7. Then please explain the existence of this photo
One thousand pound oil/tar ball

Photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class John Walker, USCG.

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/media/main.php?g2_itemId=907355
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:17 PM
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9. Um, it's from oil from the blowout?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:21 PM
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The possibility exists tha it is from the day of the
BP rig exploding. So I do honor the logic of your reply. (Though the tar ball should in that case have a "casing" around it - much like ordinatry rock becomes glazed with Obsidian during volcanic action and eexplosions. However, maybe the action of the sea took the casing off.)

So your response is truly a good possibility.

But if it is instead from the ocean floor and "Oooze" the game of life onthis planet could be over.

We will know more shortly.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:22 PM
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13. LOL wut?
Isn't the disaster already bad enough?

What's with the idea that people think they should just start making shit up?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:21 PM
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11. Not related to the theory/question at hand. nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:11 PM
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5. A lot is changed if it is true that the Ocean Floor itself is oozing oil
This means that BP is not just trying to cover its ass, PR-wise and expense-wise.

This means that there could be a near panic situation.

Whatever goes into the atmosphere (Air atmosphere, not only ocean waters) ends up being distributed EQUALLY across the planet within five days. Depleted uranuium from Iraq, and Afghanistan and Serbian Wars -- all that DU is now coming down on people everywhere, so we are seeing huge increases in ch8ildhood cancers that were rare twenty years ago.

But back to the subject of the oil - the oil is being aerated from the action of the boats' motors - many big vessels and smaller vessels, plus the ever continual wave action.

We have gotten an email from friend in new Mexico from two weeks ago - it rained there when wind was prevailing from Gulf Of Mexcio. The air smelled and tasted of oil.

This Catastrophe in the Gulf could be something that will affect the food production capacity of the earth itself - not just the marine life in the Gulf Coast.

Once that notion is realized (Should it be proven true, or even if merely believed) - then we will see the stock market possibly crash. Commodities' trading will price food out of the reach of many people.

People will be falling ill at record rates.

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:16 PM
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6. I've been reading this rumor for at least a week ...
I suspect that it's true.

We are FUCKED!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:18 PM
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10. When you see the photo fo a one thousand pound tar ball
And it is on what looks like a coast guard site, yep, we are fucked.

URL of photo is listed on one of my previous posts above this one.

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:52 PM
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26. That tar ball is scary and nasty. (n/t)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:17 PM
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8. So where's this new study published?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:27 PM
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14. Uh,studies take a while to produce.
And then of course should they need to be published legitimately, in tersm of scientific review, they have to make the rounds of committee(s) and then have a "peer" review it.

Catastrophic events usually don't have studies relating to them for at least several years.

For instance, in May 1906, no "Studies" existed to prove the existence of the San Francisco earthquake in mid April of 1906.

Usually in the events of a Catastreophe, it it isour news media that promotes the idea that such and such occurred.

And the news is THEN ALMOST always tempered by other major considerations. For instance, in the case of the Great S.F. Earthqauke - the dEath due to Earthquake numbers were very low, accoridng to the published figures. Why? The City Fathers did not want fear to be the predominating consideration. the City Fathers needed money to come inb to the area to help people rebyuild. So then, much later, in the nineteen eighties, a woman undertook the task of finding the real numbers. She ahd her findings published in a widely praised book. That is just one example of what gets published relating to Catastrophe.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:30 PM
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15. Which is why I'm skeptical of the citation.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:22 PM
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12. people on theoildrum are unsure of what they're seeing
the first part does look like seepage, some said. After 30 secs, that seems to be thruster kick. The most knowledgeable people on there haven't picked it up or chimed in - just saying.

That is not to say we aren't likely being fed further lies or half-truths, and not saying there aren't real concerns things can get much worse.

Check out the OP in this thread: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6611
and for a realistic worst-case scenario, this post: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

In the responses to this post, the video is commented on as well.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:52 PM
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17. dougr's post last Sunday was great.
Everyone on this thread needs to read it (and understand it) before posting.

The situation is bad but I hate to read drivel presented as fact.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:07 PM
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18. I hear you. I'm an engineer but I thought a relief well is just another straw
in the reservoir. Relieving the pressure as it were.

It's not, obviously - it's an interception of the existing well bore just above the reservoir to do a "bottom kill".

The mostly factual discussion on TOD, even though it doesn't bring all the answers, is refreshing, and way ahead of the curve just like DU often is on other issues. e.g. They said top kill failed right at the moment it was stopped, 16 hours before the government was informed it would seem.

I just wish there was a similar site dealing with the ecological aftermath. It seems there's only the BP PR BS, stories of coverup, and some sketchy reports. Same goes for the plume followup. It should be a TOP priority, not something a couple of vessels track :grr:
Anyone know of such a site?
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:28 PM
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24. Gulf Oil Blog by Dr. Samatha Joye of the University of Georgia is all that I have found
regarding tracking the plumes and the composition of the spilled crude oil and dispersants. But it hasn't been updated in almost two weeks...:shrug:

http://gulfblog.uga.edu/
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:48 PM
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25. Thank you! I did a google news search on the plumes - Markey asks Lying Tony:
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 04:57 PM by BelgianMadCow
"Rep. Edward Markey, the powerful Massachussetts Democrat, pressed Hayward to acknowledge large underwater plumes of oil that government and independent scientists have identified. But Hayward dodged that one, too, even suggesting that some of the underwater oil may have come from a source "other" than the Deepwater Horizon spill.

See full article from DailyFinance: http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-i-wasnt-involved/19520899/?icid=sphere_copyright

You just can't believe it. Luckily NOAA have been measuring for plumes in no less than 3 (three) locations :sarcasm:

I say the one thing BP is good at, is "dispersant ops" - and that in many ways.

On edit: the search http://news.google.be/news/search?cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=oil+plumes&cf=all&scoring=n yields an interesting article on a 3D plume sniffing robot that is being deployed (not by NOAA):
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE65F66F20100616

The continued denial or non-acknowledgement of the plumes is pure liability mitigation. What else could it be? I can guess where most of the oil is - not on the surface...
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:16 PM
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20. The oildrum forum is terrific, donate $ if you can
I donated $25 to help pay for the massive traffic increases they are experiencing, and would urge others at DU to do likewise.

And if you aren't familiar with this forum, then get familiar. It's a great resource.

www.theoildrum.com

- B
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 03:34 PM
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16. Does anyone know if there are pipes that run off to other wellheads?
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 03:48 PM by leveymg
This is what a wellhead and BOP assembly look like, below. Most offshore drilling systems have multiple wellheads and pipes that connect with the tower assembly at the surface. What we're seeing could be a leak from a pipe leading to another wellhead.



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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:09 PM
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19. Don't think so, haven't seen so - keep in mind this was a discovery drill
I would imagine such a multi-pipe setup comes into play during the production stage, certainly not when you're discovering. :shrug:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:24 PM
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23. I don't think the multi-pipe thing even comes into play during production.
I am not saying it doesn't but it would seem to me that most individual wells would have individual Christmas trees that then run up to the surface platform.

I grew up in the oil patch in the midwest so my knowledge was land-based wells until this blowout and although I was way behind the learning curve on off-shore wells I think it was a lot easier for me to understand what was going on because I at least knew the terms of art. I still have a lot to learn but it has been very interesting.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:17 PM
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21. Here's a graphic that shows several multiple wellhead systems
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 04:21 PM by leveymg
Courtesy of our old friend, Halliburton. Does anyone know which type the Deepwater Horizon platform is? (My guess, it's the one with the yellow floating tripod with a single downward wellhead)

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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 04:23 PM
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22. Not to be a cynic, but I think this is why they agreed to $20 billion
If, as evidence suggests, this is something which cannot be stopped, long term liability may far exceed a mere $20 billion.

Of course, I'm no expert and that may easily be colored water spewing out of the sea floor? :shrug:
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:03 PM
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27. the 20 billion is not a cap, and you're right the liability will be far greater
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 05:03 PM by BelgianMadCow
what's the value of an ecosystem?

The 4300 dollar per barrel fine alone is going to come close to 20 billion by the time the relief wells are ready. Depends on flow estimates of course, that's why they have been so super honest and transparent about those :sarcasm:

And that fine is from the federal govt, and without all other civil damage claims.

But don't worry about BP, 20 billion is a year's profit.
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:41 PM
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28. Not surprizing
That's the geophysics of oil reservoirs.
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