Earlier today, 59 *cough* "Democrats" showed they don't want this war to end

[Greeby]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll330.xml

H R 2237 RECORDED VOTE 10-May-2007 5:39 PM
QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: To provide for the redeployment of United States Armed Forces and defense contractors from Iraq

Ayes Noes PRES NV
Democratic 169 59 4
Republican 2 196 3
Independent
TOTALS 171 255

Steny Hoyer, House Majority Leader
Barrow, Bean, Berkley, Berman, Bishop (GA), Boren, Boswell, Boucher, Boyd (FL), Boyda (KS), Cardoza, Carney, Chandler, Cooper, Costa, Cramer, Cuellar, Davis (Lincoln), Donnelly, Edwards, Ellsworth, Etheridge, Giffords, Gordon, Green (Gene), Herseth Sandlin, Hill, Holden, Kind, Lampson, Lipinski, Mahoney (FL), Marshall, Matheson, McIntyre, McNerney, Melancon, Mitchell, Moore (KS), Ortiz, Peterson (MN), Pomeroy, Rodriguez, Ross, Salazar, Schwartz, Scott (GA), Shuler, Skelton, Snyder, Space, Spratt, Tanner, Taylor, Udall (CO), Wilson (OH)


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[shadowknows69]

1. WTF

This country is broken and the people no longer have a voice. Period.

[robinlynne]

3. That's how I feel. The committee (5 dems and 3 repubs) also voted yesterday to NOT

investigate the contested 2006 elections, in spite of proof that the wrong candidates (always republicans, of course) took office.

[Kelly Rupert]

6. I should hope we have more-important things on the agenda than

investigating elections we won convincingly.

[robinlynne]

28. uh no. The republicans took 14 seats in congress, which were CONTESTED by the corresponding

democrats. You have it backwards. Unfortunately our stupid fearful DEMS decided to let it go AGAIN, and not investigate, although the congress HAS the power to investigate, and the dem candidates who lost to phony vote counts asked for investigations! We lost that yesterday. our people decided not to investigate 2006 elections, jsut as they did in 2004 and 2000.

[Kelly Rupert]

29. Okay, so if the Republicans stole the '06 elections with phony vote counts,

explain the majority we hold in both houses. Keep in mind also that we won by incredibly small margins in VA and MT, and by shifting only a few hundred votes in either state, the Republicans would have kept the Senate.

[robinlynne]

31. Are you saying that you believe they are not stealing the elections?

read:
clintcurtis. com

bradblog.com


google florida 13th district and read about the 18,000 votes missing for congress ONLY. Apparently in the hottest district in Florida, 18,000 people, in dem regions went to the polls and voted for school board but Not for congress. That republican won by 300 votes.)

google clint curtis congressional testimony and find his 20 minute testimony under oath in congress, 2000. he was hired by tom Feeney to write the software to =switch the vote in south florida, wrote the software, then when he realized how it was to be used s2witched parties.

Read landshark's posts here on DU.

Then tell me you still believe the 2006 election was real.

(as to why we took the senate, easy, they didn't switch enough votes. As a matter of fact, did you not notice that the Republicans filed a protest in Virginia, then within 3 days REMOVED their protest because the voting machines would have been checked?) It was worth it to give up the senate to avoid voting machine scrutiny.

[Kelly Rupert]

32. So your claim is that the Republicans

just BARELY missed transferring enough votes? Wouldn't it have been real damn easy to program the machines to ensure that no less than 50.1% of the votes went to Macaca? I mean, what's the difference between ordering it to steal 35000 votes and ordering it to steal 36000 votes? And were the polls so close to the actual margin of victory? Seriously, if they're willing to have a final total that's totally different from the exit polls, they certainly had a lot of room to work with in VA. I mean, If you're going to attribute stunning competence to the Republicans, you might not want to claim they're so incompetent while they're at it.

What do you mean by "swiched enough votes?" How do you think the vote-switching was programmed? Do you think each machine was told, "Switch 500 votes?" "Switch 2% of votes?" If you're going to rig a machine, why not rig it so that you actually win? It's pretty easy to tell a computer to make sure that one number is bigger than another.

(The Republicans filed a protest, and then removed their protest once the canvassing revealed no change in the final total. A recount would have done absolutely nothing.)

[robinlynne]

33. You read none of the references I gave you. Answering with sophism doesn't cut it.

Read up. Because this happened, that can't have happened is not the way to reality. The ancient greeks wrote volumes about that sort of logic. Please start reading. Another great source of FACTS is freepress.org.
Once you start reading facts, you will change the way you reference US elections. They're all out there (the facts and the proof of huge Republican electoral fraud), easy to find.

[Kelly Rupert]

35. And you haven't answered my question.

I visited your sites. They did not answer my question. Perhaps it's buried somewhere in there, but I'm not going to dig any more when I'm talking to you. If you know your stuff, answer it. It's real easy, too.

I am not further discussing this until you explain here exactly why the Republicans didn't bother swapping the final 4500 votes--or, that is, the 00.16% of all votes that would have been required to win Virginia. Claiming that the Republicans tried to steal 2006 rather requires an explanation of why they failed to change a far smaller number of votes than they did in their (supposedly successful) 2004 attempt. If you can't do so much as that, then I suppose I'm just wasting my time with yet another tinfoiler.

(Your bit regarding the Greeks and logic is silly. I'd bet any amount of money that I'm a better hand at both formal logic--and computer programming, if you want to try to tell me what Diebold can and can't do--than you are. My field requires it.)

[lonestarnot]

36. They didn't shift hard enough to avoid an investigation before 2008

[Kelly Rupert]

38. Doesn't cut it.

Let's look at Virginia. Now, in this thread we've already heard complaints about the eighteen thousand "stolen" votes in Florida. That is a relatively large number. Why did they steal eighteen thousand votes in one district--capturing one seat, which in no way changes the balance of power--while not shifting the four thousand votes (in an entire state, giving you much more room to cover) that would have held the Senate and drastically changed the balance of power?

The theory simply makes no sense.

[lonestarnot]

39. Lookie

Any evidence of vote theft by any candidate at any time is evidence of vote theft. I can't explain to you why they didn't diligently set out to again screw with the balance of power. They didn't have enough cheaters in the right place this time, maybe intentionally, maybe not. :shrug:

[Kelly Rupert]

41. But it isn't evidence of vote theft.

It's evidence of electoral irregularity, which may or may not be vote theft. It might just be a fucked-up machine. It might be a funny layout like the 'butterfly ballot' had. Hell, it might just have been that that Rep had irritated a bunch of solid Democrats to the point where they refused to vote in that particular race. It might have been vote theft, sure. It might have been a thousand other things, too. When you only have one point on a chart, you can draw an infinite number of lines.

You've backed off from saying that it was too many votes to steal in VA, I've noticed, and rightly so, considering that you claim that FL stole four times that many in an unimportant district less than a tenth the size, if that.

Now you claim that they didn't have the infrastructure in place. Your conspiracy requires them to have a nationwide system in place in 2004. Where was that system in 2006? When they have two more years to prepare, and have a far-smaller number of races to impact (considering that 2004 had every house seat, 1/3 of the Senate, AND a tight, every-state-counts White House race to consider), how could they have gotten less competent?

[lonestarnot]

43. Their base has dwindled through wake-up calls, less koolaide

less pissants willing to carry 200X their weight. That's not hard to figure out. They cheated, and if they can get away with it, they will try again, even in the spotlight.

[Evergreen Emerald]

44. I think they "misunderestimated" the amount they would need to win.

I do believe they attempted to steal the election and just miscalculated the amount of anger of the American Citizens.

[blues90]

10. Sure seems like it .

I am really tired of getting my hope up , it just goes right down the toilet which is exactly where this country continues to go .

I guess out votes and rallies mean nothing , there are only a few true dems working for the people and that is just not enough .

By the time 2009 comes around it will be far too late and even then what will we have .

[MisterHowdy]

2. Cowards! all of them

They're all careerists

[Enrique]

4. I'm surprised Pelosi called the vote

first such vote in Congress, right?

The path to ending the war is going to be very twisty, and it will be too long. :-(

[Mend]

5. nothing is going to happen to alberto gonzo either. Nothing is going to

happen, the war will continue, hate radio will continue, the ruination of our country is going to continue, the tainted food will still come in from China, and women will slowly lose the right to choose. Chimp and cheney will smirk their way on and on.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. If you see your congressman...

remember it next primary.

[Rosemary2205]

8. Regarding David Scott (ga)

60% of his district is red redder reddest. We are talking the freepiest of freeps. On economics he's resonable progressive, but when it comes to anything anywhere close to the troops he doesn't dare buck or he loses his seat.

IMHO

[Clark2008]

12. Same is true of Lincoln Davis

He's the only Democrat in Tennessee elected in a rural area. Tennessee's other Democratic reps (inlcuding Tanner, who's on the list, though I don't know why) are from areas with major cities.

[mmonk]

16. Maybe he should start being a little more courageous.

"Freedom Fries" Walter Jones, republican in a district that contains a lot of military started making waves about this war.

[joshcryer]

34. Or maybe we should start understanding politics.

[mmonk]

9. Same old broken record.

Some still won't oppose this administration in a real way, even when they have a majority. This war belongs to both parties.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

11. Corporate whores control both parties it is all a fucking sham. All power to the ruling class.

Corporate America payed to have democracy buried, it is all political theater to placate the public. Every day I become more cynical due this type of BS. The ruling class does whatever it wants to do with only token opposition that results in the ruling class perpetuating themselves in power. Whose is still the AG and head of the World Bank and still pResident and VP? Joke is on us for caring and worrying about something we have absolutely no control over, our own government.

[bonito]

13. And what party did we work so dam hard for in November?

Seems some dem's don't mind the blood of our children on their hands as well.
Some sick self serving cowards in our party, and they need to hear from us.

[Nite Owl]

14. There were 171 votes

though. Only 150 were expected so it was better than they thought it would be. Progress is slow, way too slow, but it is getting better.

[mzmolly]

26. Indeed it's good to recall the 171 who voted the right way.

:hi:

[uppityperson]

15. k&r

[WCGreen]

17. I'm really disappointed in Zack Space, a so-called rising star in the

Ohio Democratic Party...

He's from down south, down where many folks will vote democratic, real democratic, if given a chance...

But instead they got a smooth talker, a real slicker than slick guy who actually used his son's diabetic condition to campaign for office...

He was not Bob Ney, but he had friends in high places...

In perhaps the most important vote of his young political career, young Zack votes for the president and against the party that funded his race for congress...

Way to go Zack, way to go, the only thing that has changed is the name on the desk....

[Canuckistanian]

18. What are they afraid of?

Did someone threaten them?

I assume that they all have a staff to do research.

Did they not notice the polls? The many calls to their offices? Or at least a FUCKING CLUE which way the political winds are blowing?

And what's with Stephanie Herseth? Wasn't she part of the "bright new hope" of the Congress? She folded faster than a card table at last call.

Pathetic.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. They are 'sportindatroops'

by keeping them in harm's way for no good reason at all. They have bought the bullshit and have wet their pants in fear of not sportindatroops. It could be worse, they could be stayindacourse-musssucede. Instead of actually getting our soldiers out of that mess we are going to try Pelosi's Take Two: Give a little bit. Then DUMBFUCK will veto that and our sputtering 59 will demand TOTALCAPITULATION, 'cause ya know we gots ta sportdatroops.

[Canuckistanian]

21. But sportindatroops is an iditoic concept

EVERYONE is sportindatroops, but the troops shouldn't even be there in the first place.

Did they miss the memo? Not only the Downing Street one, but EVERY OTHER MEMO sent to them by media reports, constituent calls and their own eyes?

Is it the TeeVee? Are they afraid of the TeeVee?

[liberaldemocrat7]

30. Stephanie Herseth appears a conservative Democrat.

Most of the names that appear in the list that voted against withdrawing the troops in Iraq belong to the Blue Dog Democrats.


The only way you're going to fight corporate power in congress will come from finding out which corporations give money to "conservatives" in both parties and then organizing as many people to call these corporations and demand the progressive legislation we want, and then prepare to not buy their products until the legislation gets passed.

Until then you'll complain to the moon about corporate power.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

19. K&R ...n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

22. Congrats to Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts

Wrote a good bill, knew it was doomed to failure, and went straight ahead anyway.
That's called courage.

[sellitman]

23. SHAYS pisses me off to no end!

He has to go!

[Oreo]

24. Salazar and Udall

A lot of people are going to need to tell Udall that he doesn't need to be a centrist to win the Senate in CO.
This kind of BS will only hurt him.

[otohara]

45. Salazar Sucks, But WTF w/ Udall?

why would he do this? Time to make a phone call tomorrow.

[Greeby]

25. Btw, one detail I've just remembered

I was watching the C-Span coverage while DU was down, and Hoyer changed his vote to No at the last call. And somebody, I'm guessing it was the Repukes, cheered. As if this were some red team v blue team sports game. Have I mentioned yet tonight.......... :banghead:

[Dinger]

27. It Figures We Got Stuck With That Fuckin' Hoyer

Imagine Murtha in his place.

[nam78_two]

37. Steny Hoyer

I wish Murtha was the House Majority Leader.

[leftofthedial]

40. Ken Nighthorse Salazar I can believe

but Udall?

[camero]

42. and the dog and pony show goes on...n/t