women who behave rarely make history

[seabeyond]

i saw this as a bumpersticker on a suv at the country club here in texas.

wtf are they saying. who would have that on a vehicle, a man or woman.

clear it up for me, because i might find out whose it is and go after them.

[cbayer]

1. It's very pro-woman, IMO. Been around a long time.

:hi:

[seabeyond]

2. oh, is it? lol lol. good to hear. what are they saying, cause really

i dont get it. obviously.

[cbayer]

6. Found wiki link on woman who coined it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich

[hlthe2b]

10. Paradox... This noted author self-identified as a "feminist" and Mormon...

She sounds like an interesting woman and professor.

[Radical Activist]

14. Many suffragette leaders were Mormon

even though some movement leaders shunned Mormon women. There's a strong history of progressivism within it despite Utah's descent into conservatism. It's a religion full of contradictions.

[seabeyond]

17. yes. this is true. but a lot of religion got F*ed up in the last decade with rw

and repug party. catholic use to be very liberal.

or in calif anyway.

catholic in texas is nothing like the catholics i knew in calif where i grew up. i havent figured out if it is the time or area of country.

[KonaKane]

27. My very Mormon great grandma was a Suffragette.

We were going through her things one day, and found some old piano sheet music of a Suffragette campaign tune called "Be In It, And Win It!". I'll scan it some time and post the pic.

[seabeyond]

11. it is the "behave" part that is tripping me up. so really, it is ORINARY women

doing their job seldom make history, regardless of the influence they make in our society. is that more the jest?

[cbayer]

23. More like, you got to be noisy and act outside your expected gender role to make the

big differences - like suffragettes.

[seabeyond]

29. thanks for your patience. i get it now

dont know why it was so hard for me.

[Darth_Kitten]

22. n/t

:D

Sorry, I agree with you. I just got up and was reading it wrong.

[Doremus]

3. If we are to follow society's image of 'nice girls' we women

would still be barefoot and pregnant.

Without the vote
Still as men's chattel
Second class citizens

Why aren't we? Because brave women before us chose to NOT "behave."

[seabeyond]

5. this is how i heard it. nt

[bigwillq]

4. Here's some info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich

[hlthe2b]

7. What did you think it meant? (curious)

[seabeyond]

9. telling me to shut up and behave how society (men) tell me to behave, lol

like a good little woman.

[hlthe2b]

12. Had I seen it on a honking SUV in TX, I might have been confused...

;)

[seabeyond]

15. i get that attitude from women in this area. and lots and lots of men. lol. behave

behave is what is throwing me off. dont get the behave. i have a moral code and follow it, but would never see it as behave.

is it saying ordinary woman that do their job and an influence in this society dont make history?

[hlthe2b]

19. I think it is just saying it ok NOT to behave (not to conform)...

because those who throw expectations aside, often make history...

[seabeyond]

20. lol lol, ok

geez, why would this be so hard for me to wrap mind around, and i know it isn't for others. i must have lived in this area TOO long and being conditioned by this attitude.

so, making history is a good thing. saying, only to not conform will make history, and really.... sticker was being snarky telling us not to behave.

bah hahahah

thanks for your patience

[Kalyke]

8. It's from Laurel Thatcher Ultrich's book "Well-Behaved Women

Seldom Make History."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Thatcher_Ulrich



Edited to add a book review: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/books/review/harrison.html

[hobbit709]

13. There's a series of books

Uppity Women of Ancient Times
http://www.amazon.com/Uppity-Women-Ancient-Times-Vicki/dp/1573240109

Uppity women of Medieval Times
http://www.amazon.com/Uppity-Women-Medieval-Times-Vicki/dp/1573240397/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277671396&sr=8-5

Uppity Women of the Renaissance
http://books.google.com/books?id=EMdie_2LTYAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=uppity+women&source=bll&ots=9eGKFwkFsP&sig=tyy8bhN1iHvXOT4EiHHnMUdqsxU&hl=en&ei=ELcnTMiIAoOmnQf-udDjBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCw#v=onepage&q&f=false

[kdmorris]

16. It's actually "well behaved women rarely make history"

I means that if you do what society wants you to (in essence "behave"), you will not rise to the heights of success and/or fame that are required to "go down in history".

[seabeyond]

18. it seems like there is difinitely different meanings with this quote. and yes, i think you are

right

well behaved

[earth mom]

21. I actually really like that quote.

:evilgrin:

[DURHAM D]

24. I am surprised to find any who woman doesn't understand the meaning....

Its been around for a long time but so have I.

I guess my assumptions about what women know about their own history needs to be dramatically adjusted.

I am curious - how old are you?

[seabeyond]

30. old. i was hearing it a different way.....

i get what they are saying now. i wasnt at all understanding it. i thought it was saying shut up and behave.

[seabeyond]

31. maybe it is due to the expectations i have for this area. i dont often come along a sticker

that actually encourages women to not toe the line.

[KonaKane]

25. That's a great quote - and true,

Two thumbs up for our uppity, irreverent, and vital female comrades.

[etherealtruth]

26. I have a placard on my office wall with that saying

and depictions of women making history.

I love it!

[Politicalboi]

28. I thought it was

Sarah Palin's motto.