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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:57 PM
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Who are the productive people in America? The ruling rich capitalists or ordinary workers?
Edited on Sun Jun-27-10 10:06 PM by Better Believe It
Who Is 'Productive'?
by John de Graaf
June 26, 2010

So what I hear you saying is that you would take money away from the productive people and give it to the unproductive people?

In other words, the student suggested, I would take cash from John Galt and give it to John Lazy.

My response to this charge goes something like this:

Oh, and what I hear you saying, young man, is that those people who grow your food, harvest it in the fields (without even minimum wages) and transport it to the stores, those people who clean your streets and take away your garbage so you don't have to live in filth, those people who will teach your children if you have any, and take care of your infants and toddlers while you do your productive business, those people who build the cars you drive in, who work overtime without pay at big box stores for $18,000 a year, whose backs turn to jelly after years of driving the trucks that carry your products to you, those people whose work benefits you every day of your life--those people who have seen almost zero improvement in their real wages during the past generation of policies favoring John Galt--those are the "unproductive" people whose survival only the Galts make possible.

And meanwhile, those other people, the ones who have seen their incomes mushroom and their taxes wither, those "self-made" people with expensive educations whose brainpower and hard work have created such wonders as exploding derivates and credit default swaps, whose "products" never affect your daily life except when you have to bail out the disasters they create, those "best and brightest" people who earn more in a day than your child-care providers will earn in a year, whose year-end bonuses are often greater than the lifetime earnings of ordinary workers--they are the "productive'' people.

And you, young man, have a problem with taxing those "productive" people to provide a little more security for the ones you consider unproductive. Well, I have news for you. I see no possible moral justification for labeling the first group unproductive and the latter productive--quite the contrary, in fact--unless you automatically assume that Group B is more productive solely because its activities earn more in the market as it presently exists.

Indeed, I believe that in a moral world we would offer greater compensation to those whose labor actually makes life better. In which case, there is absolutely no moral argument at all against greater equalization of incomes. In fact, I find the distribution of earnings in this economy to be morally obscene.

Please read the full article at:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/26-6

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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:05 PM
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1. I can build a house from the ground up by myself.
I can build/repair/maintain just about anything mechanical or electrical.
I can hunt and fish proficiently.

There are a lot of other men out there just like me. The world as you know it exists because of our hard work - the sweat of our brow. The perfumed princes in the article don't produce anything but bad breath and financial hardship for the rest of us. I've never built a guillotine before, but I'm sure I could.....
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:09 PM
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3. Have Guillotine, Will Travel
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:08 PM
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2. Perhaps we need a strike
to see if anything gets done for a couple of days to see who is productive.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:09 PM
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4. Paris Hilton is not doing much for anybody
But her grounds keepers on the other hand...
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:21 PM
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5. Do you ever wonder if the super rich get scared/
Are they afraid their wealth will be taken from them, so they support certain politicians as well as certain media outlets and personalities who push the Ayn Rand philosophy?
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:49 PM
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6. pretty much common knowledge.... nt
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 07:24 AM
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10. Anti-communists.
To some degree that's what the Cold War was about: fear of having their wealth and status taken away and either being killed or having to go out and work for a living like real people.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 03:01 AM
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7. +1000
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 06:51 AM
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8. k & r
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 07:05 AM
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9. The average working American needs to start creating jobs then
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 07:29 AM
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11. They do every single day
Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 07:29 AM by depakid
If you keep your eyes and ears open, you'll see and hear them in towns and cities all across the nation.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 08:31 AM
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12. Ever hear of "nationalization" or true "workers ownnership and control" via elected councils?
Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 08:32 AM by Better Believe It

And would that frighten you?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:40 AM
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13. As I have stated in the past...
the rich are only "productive" because they rely on a huge support team aka the working class.

Once we, the working class, wake up to the fact that rich exploit us, then and only then will things change.

As a rich person once said to me, at a party, while I was commiserating about not having enough time to get things done, he retorted, "well, just hire some low wage schmuck to do it for you", to which I replied, "I am one of those low wage schmucks you are talking about". He shut up and walked away.

We turn the gears of society, we make things happen, we make sure the lights are on, the water works, the trash is not seen and children are fed.

They exploit us to their benefit.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:42 AM
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14. this is a decent illustration
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:43 AM
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15. Stay-at-home moms
:hi:
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