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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:37 AM
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John Yoo: I Wish New Political Speech - Bloggers - Never Existed
Edited on Fri May-11-07 10:44 AM by Hissyspit
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/11/we-have-had-outpourings-of-new-political-speech/

“We have had outpourings of new political speech (since 9/11) through new methods and means, for example, uh, people I wish never existed — bloggers.” — Former Bush Justice Department official John Yoo

Via Glenn Greenwald: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/05/11/quotes/index.html


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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:38 AM
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1. Yoo-hoo! John! Freedom of speech is UNTIDY, isn't it?
Asshole.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:38 AM
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2. I'm sure that free speakers are a real obstacle to him.
Oh, those fussy founding fathers. Rolling in their graves yet?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:40 AM
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3. the 'speech' isn't new, the exposure is, though
that's what he objects to. He thinks we should get information from the top down, like the autocracy he's worked to establish with his Bush administration
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:41 AM
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4. Yoo is a fucking psychopath.
Hope he never gets his clammy hands anywhere near the centers of power again.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:43 AM
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5. Poor John.
He would have been so much happier in a different country, in a different time.

:nopity:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:43 AM
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6. His type really resents the fact that now there are people who FACT-CHECK
and can PROVE that 99% of what he says is total BULLSHIT..:rofl:

deal with it, Yoo-HOO :)
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:47 AM
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7. One unhappy asshole. nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:47 AM
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8. Yeah, they could have been kings and tyrants but the Internet got in their way...
They could have reigned supreme over the land in an unchallenged dictatorship while raping the citizens of their wealth and dignity, but that thing that Al invented has prevented this from happening.

I shudder to think where we would be today if it weren't for the Internet(s). :scared:
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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:52 AM
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9. Never thought of free speech as a civil liberties crisis before...
but Yoo Hoo has convinced me. Repeal the bill of rights. It just creates problems.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:59 AM
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10. while we're at it we can nationalize the media like they've done in Iraq
Edited on Fri May-11-07 10:59 AM by bigtree
and Russia
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:15 AM
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11. Fascists hate what they cannot control.
So they attempt to kill it instead.

Bake
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:24 AM
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12. The intricacies of the twisted circular logic employed by John Yoo

A brief primer designed to help you understand the workings of our new, streamlined American system of government.



by Jon Carroll

Perhaps you have been unable to follow the intricacies of the logic used by John Yoo, the UC Berkeley law professor who has emerged as the president's foremost apologist for all the stuff he has to apologize for. I have therefore prepared a brief, informal summary of the relevant arguments.

Why does the president have the power to unilaterally authorize wiretaps of American citizens?

Because he is the president.

Does the president always have that power?

No. Only when he is fighting the war on terror does he have that power.

When will the war on terror be over?

The fight against terror is eternal. Terror is not a nation; it is a tactic. As long as the president is fighting a tactic, he can use any means he deems appropriate.

Why does the president have that power?

It's in the Constitution.

Where in the Constitution?

It can be inferred from the Constitution. When the president is protecting America, he may by definition make any inference from the Constitution that he chooses. He is keeping America safe.

Who decides what measures are necessary to keep America safe?

The president.

Who has oversight over the actions of the president?

The president oversees his own actions. If at any time he determines that he is a danger to America, he has the right to wiretap himself, name himself an enemy combatant and spirit himself away to a secret prison in Egypt.

But isn't there a secret court, the FISA court, that has the power to authorize wiretapping warrants? Wasn't that court set up for just such situations when national security is at stake?

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court might disagree with the president. It might thwart his plans. It is a danger to the democracy that we hold so dear. We must never let the courts stand in the way of America's safety.

So there are no guarantees that the president will act in the best interests of the country?

The president was elected by the people. They chose him; therefore he represents the will of the people. The people would never act against their own interests; therefore, the president can never act against the best interests of the people. It's a doctrine I like to call "the triumph of the will."

But surely the Congress was also elected by the people, and therefore also represents the will of the people. Is that not true?

Congress? Please.

It's sounding more and more as if your version of the presidency resembles an absolute monarchy. Does it?

Of course not. We Americans hate kings. Kings must wear crowns and visit trade fairs and expositions. The president only wears a cowboy hat and visits military bases, and then only if he wants to.

Can the president authorize torture?

No. The president can only authorize appropriate means.

Could those appropriate means include torture?

It's not torture if the president says it's not torture. It's merely appropriate. Remember, America is under constant attack from terrorism. The president must use any means necessary to protect America.

Won't the American people object?

Not if they're scared enough.

What if the Supreme Court rules against the president?

The president has respect for the Supreme Court. We are a nation of laws, not of men. In the unlikely event that the court would rule against the president, he has the right to deny that he was ever doing what he was accused of doing, and to keep further actions secret. He also has the right to rename any practices the court finds repugnant. "Wiretapping" could be called "protective listening." There's nothing the matter with protective listening.

Recently, a White House spokesman defended the wiretaps this way: "This is not about monitoring phone calls designed to arrange Little League practice or what to bring to a potluck dinner. These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings and churches." If these very bad people have blown up churches, why not just arrest them?

That information is classified.

Have many weddings been blown up by terrorists?

No, they haven't, which is proof that the system works. The president does reserve the right to blow up gay terrorist weddings -- but only if he determines that the safety of the nation is at stake. The president is also keeping his eye on churches, many of which have become fonts of sedition. I do not believe that the president has any problem with commuter trains, although that could always change.

So this policy will be in place right up until the next election?

Election? Let's just say that we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It may not be wise to have an election in a time of national peril.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:26 AM
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13. Is this the child testicles crusher by any chance? n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:38 AM
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14. Bloggers did not use to exist
Edited on Fri May-11-07 11:38 AM by rocknation
because a reasonably fair, balanced, professional and free national press DID.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:28 PM
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15. .
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:49 PM
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:13 PM
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17. Thanks for all the recommendations, folks. n/t
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