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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:47 AM
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YOO On You: "People I Wish NEVER Existed--BLOGGERS"
John Yoo at an April 18 Civil Liberties debate (via blogger Roger Ailes):

(Since 9/11) we have had outpourings of new political speech through new methods and means, for example, uh, people I wish never existed -- bloggers.

This did not exist before 9/11. Are we really in such a civil liberties crisis if bloggers are able to use this new media to say I think quite incredible things?


As Ailes says: "Yoo wishes they never existed because, unlike illegally-detained prisoners, torture victims and law school students, bloggers talk back."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/05/11/quotes/index.html
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:48 AM
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1. Cockroaches always hate the light of day.
NGU.


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:49 AM
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2. Well....
Of course, I wish he had never existed...:puke:
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:49 AM
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3. Fuckin bloggers
ruined everything. Now they won't be able to take over the world.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:53 AM
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4. "This did not exist before 9/11"
well, that just goes to show how ignorant Yoo is. Blogs have existed for decades.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:28 AM
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11. And before that, there were dirty purples
and I still pay homage to A. B. Dick. That's how we got things out in the 60s, we printed them.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 08:22 PM
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27. yep... we had 'zines
we printed'em, and we liked it! :-)
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:24 PM
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15. so wait ... what was that slimy thing
that "broke" the Monica Lewinsky story ... or was it the "White House offices trashed" story ...
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:54 AM
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5. Bloggers say "quite incredible things" ? Like the truth? nt
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:54 AM
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6. Do you ever wonder how much time 'they' spend trying to devise ways to control the interweb?
Two way dialog must scare the piss out of them, but I'm sure they have think tanks working on it around the clock. We need to be clever and diligent really.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:56 AM
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7. The internet is a real nightmare for the corrupt elite. Access to mass media is not a privelege of
the rich anymore.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:58 AM
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8. F*ck YOO!
:D

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:58 AM
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9. Guess that means they're doing their jobs - yea! -eom
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:15 AM
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10. What's he gonna do, torture them?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:29 AM
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12. Can I say
Fuck Yoo!!
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:32 AM
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13. King George III on pamphleteers in 1774
"I wish people like you and Thomas Paine never existed"
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 11:38 AM
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14. The intricacies of the twisted circular logic employed by John Yoo

A brief primer designed to help you understand the workings of our new, streamlined American system of government.



by Jon Carroll

Perhaps you have been unable to follow the intricacies of the logic used by John Yoo, the UC Berkeley law professor who has emerged as the president's foremost apologist for all the stuff he has to apologize for. I have therefore prepared a brief, informal summary of the relevant arguments.

Why does the president have the power to unilaterally authorize wiretaps of American citizens?

Because he is the president.

Does the president always have that power?

No. Only when he is fighting the war on terror does he have that power.

When will the war on terror be over?

The fight against terror is eternal. Terror is not a nation; it is a tactic. As long as the president is fighting a tactic, he can use any means he deems appropriate.

Why does the president have that power?

It's in the Constitution.

Where in the Constitution?

It can be inferred from the Constitution. When the president is protecting America, he may by definition make any inference from the Constitution that he chooses. He is keeping America safe.

Who decides what measures are necessary to keep America safe?

The president.

Who has oversight over the actions of the president?

The president oversees his own actions. If at any time he determines that he is a danger to America, he has the right to wiretap himself, name himself an enemy combatant and spirit himself away to a secret prison in Egypt.

But isn't there a secret court, the FISA court, that has the power to authorize wiretapping warrants? Wasn't that court set up for just such situations when national security is at stake?

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court might disagree with the president. It might thwart his plans. It is a danger to the democracy that we hold so dear. We must never let the courts stand in the way of America's safety.

So there are no guarantees that the president will act in the best interests of the country?

The president was elected by the people. They chose him; therefore he represents the will of the people. The people would never act against their own interests; therefore, the president can never act against the best interests of the people. It's a doctrine I like to call "the triumph of the will."

But surely the Congress was also elected by the people, and therefore also represents the will of the people. Is that not true?

Congress? Please.

It's sounding more and more as if your version of the presidency resembles an absolute monarchy. Does it?

Of course not. We Americans hate kings. Kings must wear crowns and visit trade fairs and expositions. The president only wears a cowboy hat and visits military bases, and then only if he wants to.

Can the president authorize torture?

No. The president can only authorize appropriate means.

Could those appropriate means include torture?

It's not torture if the president says it's not torture. It's merely appropriate. Remember, America is under constant attack from terrorism. The president must use any means necessary to protect America.

Won't the American people object?

Not if they're scared enough.

What if the Supreme Court rules against the president?

The president has respect for the Supreme Court. We are a nation of laws, not of men. In the unlikely event that the court would rule against the president, he has the right to deny that he was ever doing what he was accused of doing, and to keep further actions secret. He also has the right to rename any practices the court finds repugnant. "Wiretapping" could be called "protective listening." There's nothing the matter with protective listening.

Recently, a White House spokesman defended the wiretaps this way: "This is not about monitoring phone calls designed to arrange Little League practice or what to bring to a potluck dinner. These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings and churches." If these very bad people have blown up churches, why not just arrest them?

That information is classified.

Have many weddings been blown up by terrorists?

No, they haven't, which is proof that the system works. The president does reserve the right to blow up gay terrorist weddings -- but only if he determines that the safety of the nation is at stake. The president is also keeping his eye on churches, many of which have become fonts of sedition. I do not believe that the president has any problem with commuter trains, although that could always change.

So this policy will be in place right up until the next election?

Election? Let's just say that we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It may not be wise to have an election in a time of national peril.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:25 PM
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16. I hate this man
and I hate what he's done to America. John? If I existed and yooooo didn't, the world would be a lovlier place.

Ass.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:26 PM
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17. IIRC ... on 9/11/2001, the internet traffic was so congested ...
I had a hard time even calling up Democratic Underground ...

And wasn't freeptardia raging on and on about how Gore should concede "for the good of the Stock Market" between election day 2000 and 12/12/2000?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:46 PM
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18. Why does Yoo hate America? Bloggers
are the American People, Freedom of Speech was the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights, therefore it goes to follow Yoo hates us for our freedoms. Between Yoo, Gonzo and the rest of the Bush Clan, it's a wonder, we're not all rounded up in camps.

All I have to say is f*#% Yoo.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:48 PM
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19. I totally agree with Yoo. Bloggers go way to far.
When will Congress crack down on these dangerous types?

Oh and you should check out my blog at http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

Bryant
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:49 PM
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20. My God. People are saying "quite incredible things"?
Wow. Here's another quite incredible thing, buddy:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:04 PM
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21. We had bloggers pre-9/11. Conservative bloggers.
Drudge, Lucianne Goldberg, Townhall.com etc.

Maybe if we had Liberal bloggers pre 9/11, instead of conservative ones, we wouldn't have had a 9/11 at all.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:12 PM
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22. Why are these "incredible things" bothering Mr Yoo? Is it cause the truth is STRANGER than fiction?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:14 PM
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23. is that a threat Mr. Yoo???
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:16 PM
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24. We kind of outnumber Yoo...
And in a democracy that matters...if Yoo don't like America, Yoo should just get the f?ck out!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:31 PM
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25. John, can you guess who's on my list of 'People I wish never existed'?
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:31 PM
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26. Those damn bloggers compiling cold, hard, ireffutable facts!
Damn them!
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 09:00 AM
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28. Bloggers are voters who write
Like in the olden days when we wrote letters to editors and parchment to monarchs (if we were literate).

The only thing worse than a servant class with opinions is when the elite educated nobles are forced to notice them.

Yoo has cooties, John. :rofl:
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