10 Shockingly Violent Video Games

[G_j]

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/10-shockingly-violent-video-games.html

10 Shockingly Violent Video Games

By DivineCaroline via Common Sense Media

The names of violent video games tend to travel fast among preteen and teen gamers. And the next thing you know, your kid wants to play them.

Common Sense Media’s list of the ten most violent video games is designed to arm you with enough information to help you make informed choices about what to allow your kids to play. And beyond that, they offer less-violent alternatives with the compelling gameplay that kids want.

Why care about violent video games? Prolonged exposure to violent media leads to aggressive behavior, anxiety, bullying, and desensitization. This cause-and-effect relationship is now part of the American Academy of Pediatrics’ official policy to help doctors and parents create a “safer” media environment for kids.

1. Manhunt
Players advance by stalking and killing victims, all for the delight of a “director” who urges you to make the killings bloodier, more cunning, and ever more horrific. Manhunt 2 is more of the same, but now you’ve been injected with a drug to bring out your “homicidal tendencies.”

Alternative: Mirror’s Edge

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on edit:
I don't play video games, know next to nothing about them.
You folks obviously know more. I would think though that sadistic images, for example, would not be healthy for anyone to spend extended periods with. I practice nonviolence in my life, and I am no fan of violent images unless they serve to educate people about the horrors of war etc.

[AngryAmish]

1. Age of Empires et al is about committing genocide

[Llewlladdwr]

5. Really? That's all you got out of that game? Sad. NT

[Posteritatis]

25. Don't forget Medieval: Total War's "execute prisoners" button

Complete with squishy sound effects!

Apparently it's not working properly though, as I haven't gone 'round the bend to start massacring entire populations IRL like the "fear video games!" crowd thinks I should.

Oh well, I'll continue enjoying the game while being tragically well-adjusted.

[KurtNYC]

36. more like a complex chess game IMHO

[X_Digger]

123. Chess!?! Killing horsies, religious figures, and peasants, oh my!

:sarcasm:

[Regret My New Name]

52. Don't forget about Colonization

http://weblogs.variety.com/the_cut_scene/2008/06/civilization-iv.html

[Enrique]

134. and chopping wood

and asking "Rogan?"

[Turborama]

147. Plus farming and fishing

And answering "Rogan" with "habidakus".

:rofl:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

164. Suddenly I have a hankering for Age of Empires

Gonna install it on my laptop and play at work tonight!

[Lucian]

2. Wait...how are they "shockingly violent?"

The names of the games alone should tell you that they are. C'mon...Grand Theft Auto? Manhunt? Resident Evil? God of War?

What would you expect to do in those games? Ride on unicorns and sing songs merrily?

FFS!

[Ian David]

14. Ride The Unicorn (Playstation and Wii) is actually about bestiality. n/t

[Soylent Brice]

24. ...

:rofl:

[Robb]

70. Wait, there are Wii games

...that aren't about bestiality? :shrug:

[SunnySong]

94. Sure Mario galaxy quest is about drug use.

[Arkana]

156. Mario Galaxy 2 was better.

[Drunken Irishman]

3. I've played Manhunt, Dead Rising, Resident Evil 4, Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row...

All fantastic games. Love 'em. Manhunt was very innovative. Haven't played a game similar since. Grand Theft Auto has evolved greatly over the years. I remember playing it on the Playstation and Dreamcast when it was top-down view!

[TheMightyFavog]

78. Sweet memories....

Thanks for the nostalgia! Man, that's GTA 2, IIRC.

[Drunken Irishman]

81. Yup. One of the first games I owned on Dreamcast.

Played it for HOURS.

[superduperfarleft]

4. Sweet, I hadn't heard of Manhunt. That sounds awesome. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

7. It's interesting...

I played it back when it originally came out. Definitely unlike anything I've seen before.

[negativenihil]

8. honestly

the games were not so great - good example of "style" over substance. The game was all about the brutal kills first and decent game play 2nd.

but by all means check it out for yourself. You can probably find the original in a discount bin somewhere for cheap.

[YOY]

6. There is no connection between real life violence and video game violence.

Even the dreaded APA Study done several years ago has been shot full of so many holes that it has actually gotten a lawyer (a fundie crazy by the name of Jack Thompson) disbarred.

Yesterday I burned Vienna while using the funds to fuel the construction of the Arc D'triumph. I Killed the thousands who rose up against me in violent revolt of my military occupation...to the man...rode them down with my lancers...not a one was spared.

Then I kissed my daughter goodnight and read her a story about Elmo.

There is a connection between real life violence and poverty. Let's try and tackle that one first...

Video games are an easy scapegoat to those who ignore real life violence and crime as a product of poverty and desperation.

[Lucian]

9. I had sex with a girlfriend and shot 58 people in the head with a sniper rifle...

in Grand Theft Auto IV yesterday, and I have no desire to do the same in real life (except for the first part :P).

[SunnySong]

26. Watch that girlfriend she will turn on you,...

[Lucian]

42. Touche.

[SunnySong]

27. Watch that girlfriend she will turn on you,...

[Javaman]

11. +1000. nt

[Soylent Brice]

28. well spoken.

:applause:

[KurtNYC]

49. oh yes there is

14YO bludgeoned with hammer:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/29/uk.manhunt/

the Columbine Massacre and 'Doom'
http://kotaku.com/185640/columbine-diaries-reference-doom-and-duke

My love for a computer game called Doom. Doom is such a big part of my life and no one I know can urecreate environments in Doom as good as me. I know almost anything these is to know about that game, so I believe that separates me from the rest of the world... Doom is so burned into my head my thoughts usually have something to do with the game...

Thai boy kills cab driver in imitation of Grand Theft Auto (graphic video news at link):
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=88393

And then there was that guy that drove down the sidewalk near Penn Station after becoming obsessed with Carmaggedeon and killed 30+ people.

[Posteritatis]

60. Ooh, media FUD anecdata! (nt)

[SunnySong]

62. Catcher in the Rye still has a bigger bodycount. nt

[YOY]

88. Out of how many gamers?

And if they didn't play video games...they wouldn't have done this?

It's a cheap defense...and as for Columbine...WHO THE HELL PLAYED "DOOM" PAST 1994???

[Politicalboi]

111. Me

I love Doom. Those boys were just sick puppies. I love Counter-Strike and Call of Duty and Medal Of Honor. I am almost 50 and female. Although gay and butch, but I love first person shoot games, and I HATE guns.

[YOY]

112. Respekt.

Although I gotta say that Doom is so outdated...Dark Forces wiped the floor with it. An actual working Y axis as opposed to the constant X axis.

Yes, I daresay that if they didn't play Doom they would have still done it. It's like those people who claim that their stoner friend that had pot 'destroy' their lives. In the words of Joe Rogan..."No being a lazy loser destroyed their lives. If it wasn't the pot, it would have been the triple cheeseburgers and scratch offs from Seven Eleven."

[X_Digger]

124. Team Fortress 2 :)

[Nevernose]

154. Did you not see Bowling for Columbine?

And people were smashing in each other's heads long before video games. There are always moral panics. At one point, television, the movies, the internet, comic books, rock and roll, and the printing press have all been linked to teen violence.

[DireStrike]

104. Which game is that, YOY?

[YOY]

105. Napoleon: Total War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUDCg9bHzVg

"My enemies are many...my equals: none."



Some might think the Napoleanic wars to be boring...oh contraire...Nothing like defending a seige of a force 4 times your size in a starfort with a gaping hole in the walls. Two words "Cannister Shot".

[DireStrike]

113. Cool, gonna try the demo

Ever since I cut my teeth on AoE I love rts/military strategy games.

[YOY]

115. This one is complex. The Total War series are addictive as can be but far from simple.

Start with Total War: Shogun or Total War: Rome. You can find them cheap or free. Tactics and politics are involved. Religion...taxation...and of course lots of war...

The series is...

Shogun (Feudal Japan)
Medieval (Dark ages to Medieval)
Rome
Medieval II (MUCH BETTER 3D Graphics and tactics...and goes to the Renaisance this time)
Empire (18th Century)
Napoleon
Shogun II (Coming soon)

[semillama]

132. +1000. n/t

[d_b]

10. always wanted to try manhunt =/

[DefenseLawyer]

12. I'm slightly too old for video games

Okay I could have had an Atari if by parents had been cooler, but I'm not bitter. Still, as a youngster I played war and cowboys and indians and pirates and the old favorite "beat the crap out of each other" with my friends all the time. Theme of all of this activity was death and violence and weaponry. Yet somehow I am probably the least militaristic person you will ever meet and I've never owned a gun. Go figure.

[backscatter712]

72. There's no such thing!

There are gamers in their 60's and up now!

[DefenseLawyer]

79. I meant I am slightly too old to have played video games as a child.

But most of our play other than sports was still centered around violence and combat and weapons. I should have been more clear.

[EarlG]

13. Hmm

If you're trying to keep your kids away from adult video games, I would heartily NOT recommend inFAMOUS, Batman: Arkahm Asylum, or Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, which the author of this list recommends.

[G_j]

54. thanks

The alternatives offered were the reason I posted this.
Your input on the specific games is helpful. I know next to nothing.

[EarlG]

64. This particular guide doesn't seem particularly helpful I must say

If I knew next to nothing about videogames but was looking for non-violent games for my kid, and bought something like Drake's Fortune based on the recommendations in this article, I probably would not be too happy with the result.

IMO the only way to really know is to play the games yourself before giving them to your kids.

[whatchamacallit]

97. EarlG you're killin me here ;)

But yeah, I agree.

[EarlG]

116. Hey man

You know I loved it :)

I just get the impression that the person who wrote these alternative recommendations never actually went out and played any of the games.

[Forkboy]

135. Reccomending Ghostbusters: The Video Game under any circumstances is just wrong.

:)

[whatchamacallit]

136. I think you're right

We're not the most gratuitous, but hardly appropriate for young kids. Some of us joke about Drake being the most charming and affable mass murderer in gameland ;)

[G_j]

121. certainly

the best advice. It sounds like the 'alternative' game approach is a bit contrived.

[SunnySong]

15. Isn't manhunt like ten years old...

Anyway juvenile violence drops the more the kids play videogames. if you want you kid to become a decent member of society buy him or her an Xbox360... if not they will become a social recluse and undoubtedly shoot up a school or something.


THE FOLLOWING IS A LIE

Why care about violent video games? Prolonged exposure to violent media leads to aggressive behavior, anxiety, bullying, and desensitization. This cause-and-effect relationship is now part of the American Academy of Pediatrics’ official policy to help doctors and parents create a “safer” media environment for kids.


THANK YOU FOR YOU ATTENTION THAT LIE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE NO FUN COUNCIL, THE UNITED STATES TALIBAN, AND CONCERNED VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

[Occulus]

23. They actually listed a Mortal Kombat game

That franchise has been stale for years.

They didn't even mention Prototype (run around brutally murdering innocent people so you can literally absorb their biomass), Bioshock (a little girl with a syringe who drinks the blood from random corpses), Left 4 Dead (zombie apocalypse), and a whole host of others.

It's like they just discovered video games, and are enthralled by the old ones or something.....

[flvegan]

16. I bought Manhunt as soon as it came out.

It is violent, as intended.

[Flipper999]

17. Um, those are rated for "Mature Audiences" for a reason.

That's like buying porno for your child and then being shocked when there are nude people having sex in it. Duh.

This is an imaginary problem for people with too much time on their hands.

[cbdo2007]

20. Good call. The shocking thing is parents buying these games for their little kids

without even considering the ratings level or the content.

[SidDithers]

71. Well said...

some things are intended for adult audiences. If kids or young teens are playing these games, their parents need to be more involved in their entertainment selections.

Sid

[TheMightyFavog]

80. Very well put.

:applause:

[backscatter712]

96. Exactly. Amazing how many parents will refuse to take their kids to an R-rated movie,

then clutch their pearls in horror after buying the same kids a violent video game, even though it has the great big "M" for Mature on the box.

[Downtown Hound]

18. Resident Evil 5 is racist according to this list

Because it has a white guy running around shooting black people infected with a zombie virus. Of course, the fact that the game takes place in Africa seems to be lost on those who make this claim, and they also conveniently forget that all previous installations of Resident Evil had you running around shooting white people infected with a zombie virus in America and Europe, because, well, white people live there.

I guess they should have populated Africa with white people in the game? Or maybe just avoid Africa as a possible location because we can't show black people as zombies because it's racist to do so?

Oh well. Violent video games are here to stay. In the 50's everybody was freaking out about rock and roll and horror comics. In the 60's it was marijuana. In my youth it was heavy metal, rap, and yes, Nintendo. The original Nintendo where Mario stomped on 2 dimensional mushroom people. And now it's ultra-violent video games.

[SunnySong]

22. It is racist in that cute Japanese racism* kind of way...

The dress the Africans in grass skirts and have them throw spears... and they made the female character vi-racial then they keep lightning her skin on every eduction.


*And by cute Japanese racism I mean so over the top you have to laugh.. not the kill everything that isn't white WW2 racism.

[Downtown Hound]

30. Grass skirts? Were we playing the same game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpmNP6XJy6I&feature=related

And the fact that SOME of them threw spears is the exact same thing that the European enemies did in RE4. This was a new virus that allowed the human victims more intelligence and dexterity with tools than the Romeroesque zombies of the previous games, hence the fact that they used more makeshit weapons such as spears, pitchforks, chainsaws, and the occassional molotov cocktail.

I guess Resident Evil 4 was racist against Eastern Europeans?

[Confusious]

33. not the kill everything that isn't white WW2 racism.

I didn't realize that the germans weren't white. Thanks for informing me!

And that "cute" Japanese racism caused the nanking massacre and other things like the Bataan death march.

[SunnySong]

35. Maybe I wasn't clear.. the Japanese are basically white

the Germans in a self serving manner referred to them as Aryan.


I was talking about Japanese racism against Koreans Chinese and other "colored" groups. Not US racism against the Japanese.

[DRoseDARs]

120. Some Japanese do have "interesting" views on race, but they aren't coming through in this game...

...at least not intentionally. If anything, it would be incidental, being set in Africa and all. If set in Australia, you'd be killing whites AND aboriginals, but dollars to donuts people would scream "Racism!" about that second part and utterly ignore the first.

[DRoseDARs]

119. I hate people flying that canard too. No one screamed about killing infected Europeans or Americans.

...when those games were set in Europe and the US respectively. Context is everything: In the Resident Evil universe, the t-virus is not racially selective (now that WOULD be racist). It infects regardless of skin color or continent. That this game, fifth in the linear series, took place in Africa is meaningless except to further the narrative of it being a global nightmare touching all. Making Africans magically immune to zombification to avoid bruising the ignorant sensibilities of hyper-sensitive non-gamers is just dumb. That the main character, who has been in the series since the beginning, is white is also meaningless. There's only one skin color among zombies: Rotted flesh. There's only one skin color among non-zombies: Blood, preferably uninfected.

Recently, some folks of color lost their shit over a Hallmark card that had been out to market for several years now, but this group only just started pissing all over itself with rage. It was some sort of audio space-themed card, you know: Planets, stars ... and black holes. No joke, what was clearly audible as "black holes" they heard as "black whores" and got Hallmark to pull the cards. Because, you know, Hallmark greeting cards are all about the "black whores" and racist stuff like that. :eyes:

[Arkana]

157. By the same token, RE4 must have been racist too

except replace "black people" with "Spaniards".

[JonLP24]

19. I agree with Manunt's rating

I'm unfamiliar with a lot of games on the list. I disagree with GTA's rating. I don't believe it isn't any more shockingly violent than a PG-13 or R movie which are on late night on cable or regular TV. Especially considering the many copycats that were made after that because the series was so popular mostly because of its sandbox, open world style of play.

[Ian David]

21. Right. It's the video games that are the problem.

[Marr]

133. Excellent point.

Remember all the people who said the problem with Abu Ghraib was that the images had leaked out? This seems rather similar. They accept the underlying violence-- they just don't want to see it reflected.

[Name removed]

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[ikri]

31. Something all those games have in common

They're not designed for kids.

People aged 18-35 are the biggest consumers of video games and the market caters for them. People really need to understand that video games aren't all designed for kids and purchase accordingly, if you don't want your children playing violent video games then don't purchase them. If you wouldn't let your kids watch an R rated film why the hell would you let them play a Mature rated game?

[proteus_lives]

32. More censorship bullshit.

:thumbsdown:

[G_j]

34. show me where censorship was called for

they simply suggest alternative games

[dionysus]

39. i applaud what they're trying to do, but the alternate games they suggested have plenty of killing

as well...

in the end, just don't by games rated Mature for the kiddies!

[proteus_lives]

40. I didn't say censorship was called for.

It's more implied.

Plus this such an uneducated article, suggested one form of violence over another (gears vs halo?) so it's ok to kill aliens as long as there's no blood or the blood is green?

Plus, racism in RE5? Please.

It reminds me of some of Tipper Gore's rants.

99% of people know the difference between fantasy violence and real violence.

Video games, rock 'n' roll, comic books, parents are always desperate to deflect blame from themselves when their kid turns out rotten.

[Forkboy]

44. Can you show us examples of where censorship is implied in the article?

I didn't see it.

I agree with the rest of your points, but your initial post wasn't based on anything in that article.

[LanternWaste]

63. No. It's inferred.

"It's more implied..."

No. It's inferred.

[Forkboy]

37. There's no call for censorship here at all.

The article is what game defenders have been asking for all along, that parents do their job and learn about the games they get for their kids. It then offers kid friendly alternatives to the Mature rated games listed. That's it. There's no call to not play these games if you're an adult, no call for government to step in and ban anything. Did you even read it, or just react? :shrug:

[proteus_lives]

41. I did and it's bullshit.

[Forkboy]

43. Yeah, and? Where's the call for censorship that you claimed?

If you read it then it should be easy enough to back up your charge of "more censorship bullshit".

[dionysus]

57. don't you dare try to silence him!!11!

:D

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

38. Hey, it's for the CHILLLDDRUUNNN!!11!!...

How dare you...

[Forkboy]

48. Only there's no call for censorship anywhere in the article.

All it calls for is parents to look at alternatives to Mature rated games that their kids might like instead. Isn't that exactly what we gamers have been calling for all along, that parents pay attention to the games they buy for their kids? :shrug:

As a gamer for decades, the kneejerk reaction to this article is sad to behold.

[chrisa]

61. Is this the video game version of the Parents Television Council?

They could always just cover their eyes if the flashy cartoons on the screen scare them.

[DRoseDARs]

122. Its the pearl-clutching. I hvnt felt the need to kill people, crash cars, conquer the world w/nukes

And I've played all kinds of violent and non-violent games. Nothing in the Resident Evil series, but Half-Life 2 provides me with zombies. Sometimes, one bullet is not enough. I've enjoyed the Grand Theft Auto series, but I haven't left a trail of dead hookers in my wake. And in Civilization 3, I'm preparing to nuke the ever-loving shit out of the Carthaginians, Byzantines and Chinese in a three-pronged, simultaneous attack. Clearly, I'm practicing for the real thing. Allah Akbar! or someshit.

[Odin2005]

45. Typical pearl-clutching Nanny-State nonsense.

I've massacred whole cities in Rome: Total War, That doesn't mean I'm a genocidal maniac in real life. :eyes:

[seabeyond]

46. woooosh, none of the kids games on the list. they do have shooting games and war games

but i try hard to watch the attitude, feel of the game, as odd as that sound. husband has a couple. one he flat out didnt like. one held interest for just a small amount of time. these are games that are about shock value, which hold little interest for the family

i dont play any. so it is hard for me to monitor.

there are games for kids that i dont like the tone either and have said no to.

[Scout]

47. can't say i believe they make non-violent people violent....

but i do believe that people who enjoy pretending to kill and maim have something wrong with them. or at least they aren't the kind of people i want to hang around.

the only "gamers" i've been around are pretty boring, maladjusted teen boys though, so of course YMMV.

[Forkboy]

51. The average age of a gamer is 28, 35% of them females.

[Scout]

53. thus the YMMV n/t

[Forkboy]

83. Fair enough!

:toast:

[JonLP24]

58. They don't

Before it comes off like I'm defending the list one way or the other I agree with parents if they don't want to play Manhunter. It is shockingly violent.

I've played the GTA series ever since they came out. I like to play GTA IV. I've completed it and the side missions twice. Many R-rated movies have violence that are much more shocking and I've seen those since I was a child. I learn quickly that things like that are fake. What I'm saying with that is that if a parent lets a 13+ year old play a GTA game it is not the worst thing in the world. I rarely get into fights. When they happen I only respond when I'm being attacked and I usually wait until I'm hurt. I can't avoid every verbal disagreement but I get along with people much more than most people so I never create these situations. I'm also against the death penalty and I want both troop withdrawals.

I'm the complete opposite of what the likes of Glenn Beck and Fred Thompson say about this series.

[Jkid]

50. A good example of the lesser of the two evils in video game violence

They suggest alternatives that are violent yet less than violent than the one's actually listed as the top ten, without a reason why they suggested a alternative.

[RedCappedBandit]

55. Our government actually kills people, and yet our people are poutraged over some pixels.

LoL.

[chrisa]

59. Haha. Best post on this thread. Nailed it.

[G_j]

77. not many things exist in a void

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8711539

"Actually it's quite fun to fight them, you know. It's a hell of a hoot,"

[deaniac21]

56. I'll have to admit that I love all of the "Call of Duty" games and

"Left 4 Dead"/"Left 4 Dead 2" are both fun.

[SidDithers]

74. Me too...

love me the L4Ds.

Sid

[Dark]

141. I love the l4d series. One of the best games out there.

I just wish people would realize it's about teamwork.

[backscatter712]

65. I've been playing the Left 4 Dead games - GLORIOUSLY BLOODY!!!

Don't take away my blood and guts, dammit!

:evilgrin:

[backscatter712]

66. DU glitch reply...

[derby378]

67. Rented and played Manhunt once...

It reaches me like I'm watching a grisly interactive movie. I think it's meant to be disturbing, with its ghost town setting, the atmosphere of total surveillance, the perversity of the guy behind the cameras, and all that sickening crunch.

I see the idea behind the story, but I may not seek that game out again. Pretty harsh.

[Bigmack]

68. The word is "disinhibition"...

violent videogames dis-inhibit people. They have been inhibited by their culture NOT to kill, but the videogames remove or decrease those inhibitions.

Psychologists agree generally on that idea.

The DOD sure believes it, too. They have designed games built around getting the soldier/Marine to actually pull the trigger and make instant decisions... life and death decisions.
They figure one hour of videogame is 10X as effective as live-fire practice.

Those videogames have been re-released in a more-or-less civilian form.

For those who say... "I've played a lot and I'm not homicidal." I answer "That's because you are you, and not some room-temperature-IQ kid with all the empathy of an Auschwitz guard.

Read the section on Videogames and the Military in "The Complex... How the Military Invades our Everyday Lives" by Nick Turse for a real eye-opener.

Oh... and just to be snarky... Trying to keep your population inhibited from killing each other is not Nanny State!

[SunnySong]

91. So juvenile crime and the murder rate would increase under this theory.

Its a nice though but it is simply wrong... dead wrong... as in the opposite happened...


What more can I say.

[Codeine]

106. Slam-dunk. nt

[Posteritatis]

114. But but but the news freaks out about it more!

And we know that if the news covers something more often that can only be because there's more of it, right?

(I'm continually fascinated by how many people insist crime is on the rise when it's an objective, verifiable truth nearly everywhere that it's been dropping for years.)

[chrisa]

69. Kids really shouldn't be playing these games anyways.

I can never figure out why people complain about Mature-rated games being too violent.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Damn I used to like to play both DOOM

and Castle Falkenstein...

way back in the day. DOOM made a similar list at the time.

Turns out I was a medic at the time... and well adjusted at that.

There is something to be said about desentitizing youth against violence, but I'd hazard to say games are a MINOR part of it, really. Kids are exposed to violent imagery since they are young, as in very young...

By the way, Japan LUUUVES it's gory manga... what they export is mild. They also love the violent video games...

So if people want to blame games be my guest. I guess something else would be blamed if they did not exist, and we do have social problems that are serious. Why not try to deal with those? Oh wait, SHINY.

[SidDithers]

75. Wolfenstein, not Falkenstein...

unless there was some other version with this guy:



:hi:

Sid


Edit: just looked and there was a Castle Falkenstein, but it was an RPG, not a video game :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. We did a lot of paper and pencil RPGs too

so there is the source of my confusion.

Hell I wrote an RPG...

:hi:

And IMHO it is no longer like it used to.

[js2886]

82. What about Postal 2

Postal 2 is probably the most violent video game i've ever played. YOu can literally pee on people, douse them with gasoline and light them on fire among other depraved things. That being said I don't(and neither do the game creators) condone those types of actions in real life. Most people can tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

[Touchdown]

84. The irony burns.

One thread: I'll trust doctors more than Random Internet Guy!

This thread: Doctors are full of shit! Trust Random Game Player Guy!

:rofl:

[Raineyb]

85. Manhunt is a surprise? It's called Manhunt.

:shrug:

[TheWatcher]

86. What an AMATEURISH List.

Here are some of the things that are Missing

Postal 2 (Using Cats as Silencers for Shotguns and Sub-Automatic Machine Guns, And Urinating on your Victims after you beat them to death with a Shovel Isn't in the top 3?)

Carmageddon

The Original Manhunt 2 (Before It was Censored)

Soldier Of Fortune 2

Fallout 3

Dead Space

The New Splatterhouse coming out this fall.

Naughty Bear

Predator: Concrete Jungle

Condemned: Criminal Origins

NARC

Killer 7

Shadow Of Rome

BloodRayne 2

Whoever came up with that list is a Lightweight. :evilgrin:

[Turborama]

148. Soldier of Fortune 2 rocks. Half Life 2 is the best RPG I've played so far, though.

SOF 2 used to be up there until I played Half Life 2.

Serious Sam isn't on the list, either.

Postal 2 sounds interesting, thanks for the heads up. I'm going to have a look for it on YouTube to check it out.

Can't play Fall Out 3 until I upgrade but am looking forward to playing it when I do.

[TheWatcher]

150. Agreed! Half Life 2 Isn't Really an RPG though, It's a 1st person Shooter more than anything else.

But it's still one of the Classic Games of all time. If Valve would just get off their asses and release Episode 3.....

But then again, when I think about Hardcore RPG's, I think about Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Might And Magic, Darklands, Gothic, Planescape: Torment, Temple Of Elemental Evil, The Original Fallout, stuff like that.

Serious Sam 1 and 2 were SO wonderful. ("Sam, I AM!!!!!!!")

You are going to get a lot of fun out of Postal 2, and I heartily recommend it. It tends to bring out the dark sides of people they didn't know they had. :evilgrin:

As for Fallout 3, Be Prepared to spend at least 200-300 Hours with it.

It's a tremendous game, but it will CONSUME you.

Also, check out Deus Ex, Homeworld, and System Shock 2, the scariest fucking game ever made. :)

[X_Digger]

160. If you like HL 2, TF2 is great. n/t

[Turborama]

161. How could I forget Deus Ex?

That is an all time classic! Probably the best game I've found for replay-ability. I haven't bothered with the follow up as I've read really bad reviews which say it's lost a lot of the features that made it so much fun and is like playing a console game on a PC. Deus Ex 3 - Human Revolution looks like it'll be amazing, though. http://www.deusex.com/

I've got a 4 year old Vaio laptop at the moment with http://www.dealtime.co.uk/xPF-Sony-VAIO-VGN-FJ3S-W">these specs (I've upgraded to 2 GB RAM and have 1.5 TB external storage as well). Any recommendations of games which would work with those specs would be greatly appreciated. I go here sometimes to have a look at what I can play but it's a limited list: http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri

BTW have you heard about Black Mesa's project? I can't wait until they complete it!

http://www.blackmesasource.com/

http://www.blackmesasource.com/downloads.html

[TheWatcher]

168. The thing about Deus Ex is that SO MUCH of that game is relative to things that are going on now.

I couldn't believe a game like that got released back then, and I know it wouldn't get released now.

The second one was very watered down, and I'm not surprised.

1999 was one of the last years that you really saw anything "Enlightened" come out. The Movies from that year were the same way. Fight Club, American Beauty, etc.

Yes, unfortunately you are limited somewhat as far as NEWER Games you can play, but there are SO MANY older ones that are better than anything out nowadays anyway. :)

I'm a big fan of Space Sims, so you MIGHT be able to play Independence War and things like that.

I Still love things like Rise Of The Triad, the Original System Shock, Kings Quest, Interstate 76, Duke Nukem', Daggerfall, Elder Scrolls, X-Com, etc.

I will tell you this, if you are a hardcore gamer like me you probably already know about this Site, but there is a FANTASTIC Site that archives some of the most Underrated games in history, and it's full of so much good stuff you could literally spend the rest of your life there.

It's Called Home Of The Underdogs

http://www.homeoftheunderdogs.net/

If you care about Games AT ALL, and you've never been to that Site, you are MISSING OUT. :) You'll get more wonderful Ideas of what to play on your laptop than you could shake a stick at. :)

As for Black Mesa Project, you and me both are breathlessly awaiting. :)

I still say Half Life was one of the greatest games ever made, simply for the Story alone. I can't wait to see the re imagining.

[Turborama]

169. Aaaah, but the new Deus Ex is going to be even more related to what's going on now

If the new trailer is anything to go by. I just watched it and it looks like the sort of game that should have DUers all over it.

Check it out on their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13382638259&ref=ts#!/video/?oid=13382638259

Unfortunately it's not going to be out until next year but that gives them enough time to make sure it's totally kick ass and for me to make sure I have the right specs for it.

Thanks a lot for the HOTU link, I haven't been their before and it looks like exactly the resource I need. :yourock:

:hi:

[TheWatcher]

172. So Glad to be of service to a Fellow Gamer with Exquisite Taste.

:)

That Site will be quite a Renaissance for you. It's like being Born Again. I hope you get as much enjoyment out of it as I do.

And by all means, pass that information on.

It's a dream come true for any Gamer.

And WOW, you were so right about Deus Ex 3. It looks like the Magic is back. That one is on the Top Of My List for next year. They must have found another bunch of kids who escaped the Matrix, and wanted to tell all of us what they saw. :)

[Puregonzo1188]

87. I haven't really played video games very regularly since early high school (with the Sims and Sim

City 4 being an exception), but when I was a kid (mostly in middle school) I played all kinds of violent games--from the original Mortal Kombats to Grand Theft Auto to Resident Evil to even Manhunt (which I found to be terribly boring).

I've never been in a fight, didn't eat meat throughout most of my childhood for ethical reasons (though I do eat fish and poultry now--perhaps violent video games are to blame there), protested against numerous US initiated/supported wars and war crimes, and oppose all violence in less in self-defense.

I also really liked zombie movies and Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part II.

I don't think they had too much of an impact on me.

[4lbs]

89. Yawn at all the people who rail against violent video games. It's the same as back in the 1980s

when they blamed heavy metal music, especially Judas Priest, when a few already mentally unbalanced kids tried to commit suicide.

I've played just about every violent video game that's ever existed. Doom, Quake, Mortal Kombat, Killer Instinct, Carmageddon, Phantasmagoria (there's a scene in the PC game where the possessed husband chases the wife throughout the house with an axe).

I've listened to just about all types of metal and gangsta rap. Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dio, Dokken, MegaDeth, Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, Ice Cube, Ice-T, 2 Live Crew, etc.

I've also seen a lot of horror movies, especially the late 1970s and 1980s. All the Friday the 13ths, the Nightmares on Elm Street, the Halloweens, My Bloody Valentine, Happy Birthday to Me, etc.

When the Ogrish web site was operational, with it's real images of death scenes and bodies, I perused it a few times.

Yet, I've not had any desire to cause harm to people. I don't even own a gun, or any weapons, nor do I regularly go to bars, much less get into fights by being drunk and boisterous. The last time I actually threw a punch at someone was 12 years ago. It was more of a shove, when I was in a club, and the person tried to steal something I had on the table. Other than that, I've rarely been in physical altercations.

Games, music, and movies don't cause violence by themselves. If a person has a tendency to be violent or suicidal, they were that way long before any game, music, or movie reached them.

[BelgianMadCow]

90. Oh noes, the young culprit played shooter games!!1! See what they do!

Yo, I've got news for you: half of the male adolescents play them. They're all gonna be mass-murderers?

Personally, I'm the wimpiest of wimps irl but I shoot like hell :P

I do agree that sound judgment is needed in who you can expose for how long to what kind of game (or other medium with violence! tv, anyone?).

Obviously, the average DU gamer is, like the average DUer, above-average smart. Consequently, chances are they can play pretty whacky games and stay perfectly sane :-)
The whack-a-penguin game is pretty funny, and very popular. Some versions of it just make me laugh. I can't hurt an animal in real life even if I would try.

Once again, on the other hand, the similarity between a Call of Duty mission where you strafe fleeing enemies on foot from a helicopter ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4caDv58z38 ) is uncannily similar to the Wikileaks video of a real and horrific episode. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9P5vIzYyE ; WARNING graphic) That does make me wonder if playing such missions doesn't desensitize you towards the real violence. It didn't do that for me, the wikileaks one sickened me, but I can see the broader picture.

[Rex]

92. I hate to say it but there is nothing shocking about violence in video games.

I mean in the FIRST video game (coin op) SPACE INVADERS...you are KILLING extra terrestrials instead of trying to find a peaceful resolution. In PAC MAN, you are EATING ALIVE 'ghosts' or they are KILLING you first. In STREET FIGHTER II (the biggest coin-op game of all times) you have to beat your enemy until he won't move anymore, twice, then you win.

[backscatter712]

93. All I can say is that I'm glad that Jack Thompson's been disbarred.

He was the one that was pushing violent video game censorship, filing lawsuits and being an anti-American anti-freedom-of-speech douchebag.

Fortunately for us, he had the courtroom decorum of Orly Taitz and got himself disbarred.

Well, he'll probably find some new and creative way to be a douchebag, but at least so far, he's been slapped hard.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Don't forget Pac-Man as a capitalist archetype. The dots are the ill-gotten fruit of oppresed labor.

The so-called "monsters" are obviously intended to represent indigenous peoples, or anyone properly schooled in dialectical materialism.

It's a nightmare of cannibalism, an unprecedented bloodbath of corporate violence. It must be stopped.

[ZombieHorde]

98. How could they have missed The Mark of Kri and The Rise of the Kisai?

Those games were awesomely brutal.

[tabasco]

99. I pity people

who don't have anything better to do than sit around for hours on these dumbass games.

[SunnySong]

100. Did you really just post that on the internet...

without any irony?

[tabasco]

126. I don't spend hours on the internet.

When I am on the internet, I am reading, learning and communicating with people.

Where is the irony? Please tell me. I'll be looking for your response.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

128. you have over 15,000 posts on DU.

Irony isn't the word I would use.

[tabasco]

139. And you have 50,000+ in two less years.

Do you want to go there? OK.

I've posted 15,000 posts in 2400 days.

Approximately 6 posts a day.

I read DU about an hour each day.

Now, to the crux of your stupid post:

You are equating reading and posting on a political message board with playing a video game?

That's just stupid.

You get absolutely nothing from playing a video game.

No exercise.
No interaction.
No learning.

Nothing but juvenile fun.

Have a great day.

[Forkboy]

142. "You get absolutely nothing from playing a video game. "

Maybe you don't, but you can't speak for anyone but yourself on this. Perhaps YOU don't get anything from a video game, and that's valid, but many, many millions do.

*No exercise.

Maybe you've heard of the Nintendo Wii?

Why Are Nursing Homes Buying the Nintendo Wii For Their Patients?

One of the many goals of a nursing home is to keep their patients as active as possible. It may not be possible for them to get out as much as they once did but they can still take part in many activities. It may surprise you to find out that many nursing homes are buying the Nintendo Wii for their patients.

This is due to the many interactive games they can play. For example the interactive bowling game allows even those in their wheelchairs to follow through the process of rolling an imaginary ball. Then they watch on the screen as the pins fall down. They can be seen being very competitive with each other and having a great time with the games.

Tennis is another interactive Nintendo Wii game that the older patients really seem to enjoy. Many of them will tell you stories about playing such sports in their youth as well. This can bring back wonderful memories that they may not have thought about for a while. Even if they have never played a real game of tennis in their life they are having a great time playing it now.

There is also golf and fishing which seem to be quite popular with the men at these nursing home facilities. In addition to them working their muscles, hand and eye coordination is continuing to take place. They also have a great time interacting with the staff and with each other. This type of fun and laughter can certainly help them to feel younger inside and out.

The market for the Nintendo Wii is amazing when you consider the range of people it appeals to. They younger generations are certainly interested in the many features and newer games it offers. Even very young children who are just learning about video games are able to enjoy a variety of games. Parents are playing many of the interactive games with their children. They love that everyone isn't just sitting around.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Are-Nursing-Homes-Buying-the-Nintendo-Wii-For-Their-Patients?&id=1429985



*No interaction.

Demonstrably wrong, as shown above. But here's more from ScienceDaily...

ScienceDaily (Sep. 20, 2007) — Online multiplayer communities are social networks built around multiplayer online computer games. Members of these communities typically share an interest in online gaming and a great deal of the interaction between them is technologically mediated. Marko Siitonen from University of Jyväskylä studied social interaction in online multiplayer communities in his doctoral thesis of speech communication.

Online multiplayer gaming is a playground which can give us clues about the future of social and technological developments, Siitonen states.

Online multiplayer games enable the formation of lasting relationships

Online multiplayer games typically encourage interaction between players: some go even as far as demanding it. Collaboration with other players may be a prerequisite for making progress in a game, or a game may be based on competition between players

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070915110957.htm

*No learning.

Video games 'stimulate learning'

Computer games could become part of the school curriculum after researchers found they had significant educational value.

The UK study concluded that simulation and adventure games - such as Sim City and RollerCoaster Tycoon, where players create societies or build theme parks, developed children's strategic thinking and planning skills.

Parents and teachers also thought their children's mathematics, reading and spelling improved.

The investigation into the habits of 700 children aged seven to 16 also found that, far from being a solitary activity, children preferred to play games in pairs or small groups.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/1879019.stm

Better Learning Through Video Games

Earlier this year, the Federation of American Scientists released Immune Attack, a first-person, 3D computer game that puts players in control of a nanobot they must pilot through a woman’s immune system, warding off invading bacteria. FAS developed the game with a grant from the National Science Foundation and in collaboration with the University of Southern California GamePipe Laboratory. The game is free for educational purposes and available for download on the FAS site.

Immune Attack is a first-person, 3D computer game that puts players in control of a nanobot that they must pilot through a woman’s immune system, warding off invading bacteria.

For those who doubt the utility of teaching AP Biology with a video game, FAS argued in a press release that, “Preliminary surveys show that the students who play Immune Attack show an increase in knowledge when compared with students who did not play the game. After playing the game students also showed a higher interest in biology.”

Well-designed instructional games allow students to repeat challenges until they thoroughly understand a problem, and can can highlight skills that require improvement, much like focused tutoring. The video game model, which involves constantly testing and refining skills, FAS President Henry Kelly argued in a Science Progress column, is actually a better alternative to infrequent, high-stakes educational tests. “Surely it’s possible to create challenges in biology, history, or engineering that can capture and hold attention,” he wrote, going on to explain that the federal government should play a lead role in the development of advanced educational technology.

http://www.scienceprogress.org/2008/08/better-learning-through-video-games/

The Learning Game - Researchers Study Video Gaming Principles that Apply to Education

James Gee, Ph.D., is a professor of Curriculum and Instruction in the School of Education at UW-Madison. He is the author of “What Video Games Have to Teach Us About Learning and Literacy”. Dr. Gee received his Ph.D in linguistics from Stanford University in 1975.

WTN: Why do you think games are important for learning?

Gee: If you think about it, games have an interesting problem. They cost a lot of money to make and they are pretty long and challenging. They can take up to 50 hours to play. But if a company couldn’t get you to learn that game, they’d go broke. They have this classic problem that schools have: How do I get somebody to learn something that is long and difficult and takes a lot of commitment, but get them to learn it well?

As a result, I argue that games are good learning machines. They have a lot of good principles built into their designs to get somebody to learn them and learn them well. Those principles are actually ones that research in cognitive science has shown works, not just in games but also in other forms of learning too, but there not much in evidence in schools.
--
I argue in my book that you can set up science instruction when it’s not a game in school, but still use some of the same principles of learning involved in games. But, because games are good at delivering this, there is also the option of building games for education. Games are heavily motivating. They teach people to think about complex systems to solve problems in a complex world. They deeply recruit people’s identity because people take on an identity. If you wanted someone to learn science, you want him or her to take on the identity of a scientist. How do you think like a scientist? How do you value like a scientist? How do you talk like one? Games, of course, get you to do that. You take on some identity you don’t have and you try to grow into that identity. That’s the argument, we can learn about learning from games, but also games can be good tools for getting people to learn.

http://wistechnology.com/articles/243/


It's totally fine that you don't like video games, they're not for everybody and I can see why the subject matter of many of them could bother people. But your facts are not correct.

[Turborama]

149. Another thing...

When I get stressed or anxious I find immersing into a game a great way to take my mind off things.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

145. I'm not the hypocrite complaining about how other people spend their freet time.

"You are equating reading and posting on a political message board with playing a video game?"

Pretty much.

[SunnySong]

166. Ones more useful than the other lets keep it real people...

You can actually accomplish something on a video game.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

171. One is not more useful than the other.

Posting on an internet message board is not far removed from writing graffiti in the stall of a public message board. Frankly, I'd put anti-video game threads lower on that scale.

Like a video game, it's only a form of electronic entertainment.

[keroro gunsou]

162. i beg your pardon...

i've gotten some of my best friends out of video gaming... from playing the online multiplayer games. those games subtly and not so subtly encourage players to form guilds for mutual benefit, thus increasing social interaction. they actually make you engage in the 5P's (prior preparation prevents piss-poor performance) by planning out dungeon raids. in some of the other games i play, i've learned priority management and risk assessment (sim city and the civ games)...

not ALL games are juvenile fun....

so kindly get off your high horse before you get knocked off of it.... :grr:

nothing pisses me off faster than people who think it's their place to look down their nose at something they have no understanding of or interest in. well, parents that piss and moan about mature games then run out and buy their little squishy GTA....

[Codeine]

107. So much better than we are.

Smarter and better dressed too, I'm sure! I'm so glad you're here to set us proles straight.

[Forkboy]

137. Oddly enough, it sounds just like you talking about pot smokers.

:hide:

[Codeine]

140. Touche!

Hoist on my own petard! :rofl:

[Forkboy]

143. See, stoners aren't so bad.

;)

[L0oniX]

118. DUH!

[MrSlayer]

101. The "God of War" series might be the best games ever.

I love Kratos and the games. Not only do they have great battles but there are excellent puzzles and it's all based on Greek mythology. Brilliantly done, stunning both in visuals and gameplay. GTA, Manhunt, and though it isn't mentioned, The Warriors (based on the classic gang movie) are also great. Fuck these people.

[Arkana]

158. God of War 3 was one of the most visually dazzling games I've ever had the pleasure of playing.

Plus I got to beat the shit out of Hades and Hercules and Zeus. Fuck yeah.

[DireStrike]

102. Man I was hoping for some suggestions

I've already played most of these.

How the hell is mirror's edge an alternative to manhunt? Reviewer doesn't know what she's talking about. To be fair there aren't a lot of similar games. Fatal frame?

[SunnySong]

167. I guess falling to you death every thirty seconds is kinda like murdering people...

I was homicidal after an hour trying to judge those freaken red coded jumps.

[leeroysphitz]

103. Who cares. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

108. Wait....

Where are the violent TV seriers... The violent comic books... The violent movies... oh wait, one plays a game so it is different... Wait... where are the violent games? oh god, the genocide of Risk... The inhumanity of Mouse Trap... Don't fucking get me going on laser tag...

Get a fucking grip people, games are rated. Look at the fucking rating and protect your kid to the level you feel safe with and stop trying to fuck those of us with a brain in our heads.

I don't want your fucking protection. Stop buying your kids "M" rated games.

And yes, I have a fucking foul mouth. And no, I did not learn it from video games, I learned it from living on the fucking street, where your kids will learn it as well.

Sheesh....

[DireStrike]

110. How about chess?

Fully half the pieces have almost no value beyond being human shields for the Important People - royalty, nobility, and the clergy. How shockingly un-egalitarian! Chess will turn your kids into objectivists!

[NuttyFluffers]

109. god help you if you went to the library or a RPG/CCG game shop

well, nice to know your entertainment preferences. obviously a large segment of such entertainment is not for you. disquieting images disturb your sense of peace, and it's completely OK for you to not enjoy such things in your life.

for others, this is how they are entertained, processing complex and dark aspects of reality in a safe and fictional format.

[L0oniX]

117. I love em. I am a homicidal maniac. I kill for a living and I'm not even in the military.

:nuke:

[distantearlywarning]

125. This list is incomplete.

You can nuke your neighbors in the Civilization games. Chainsaws and grenades are nothing when compared to the Big Red Button!

Yeah, I'm one of those lazy, malajusted, teenage boys wasting time playing games in my mother's basement, and just waiting to go on a homicidal rampage because I can't separate GTA IV from reality.

Oh, wait...

Actually, I'm a 35 year old woman, happily married, not particularly anti-social, writing a dissertation and renovating my house in my spare time. And I'm a gamer who plays some of the games in this list. And I just love some of the stereotypes I've read in this thread. The "I pity pathetic little gamer boys" post was the best. :eyes:

Seriously, we can't find anything better to worry about in this world than video games????

[cemaphonic]

170. the nuke option in Civ is just for flavor

Defcon actually lets you engage in full scale global nuclear exchanges, in a visually pleasing retro style. Unfortunately, the AI is pretty dumb, so it's much better multiplayer than single.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

127. There's no moral difference between complaining about this...

and the people who burn Harry Potter novels.

Don't like it? Don't play them.

[Danger Mouse]

152. Damn straight. Anti-gamers piss me off.

[keroro gunsou]

163. EXACTLY!

you sir or madam win the internet! but until then, here is your prize:

[MadBadger]

129. Based on the Game Titles, only complete morons would be shocked by the violence

[Forkboy]

138. I can't believe how much violence there was in Brainsplatter 2000!!!

:)

[Marr]

130. Manhunt was probably the most disturbing game I've ever played.

Violence in video games is usually so cartoonish and over the top (God of War, another entry on that list, is a good example) that I have a hard time seeing how anyone can be offended by it.

Manhunt tried to capture the feeling of a snuff film, and damn, is it creepy. It's not the best executed game in the world, pardon the expression, but the concept was very original. It makes things like Grand Theft Auto seem like Tom and Jerry.

[meow mix]

131. you have died of dysentary.

personally i think this is a non-issue. i know many great people who love shooters and very nice kids as well.

[Arkana]

159. My most abiding memory of that game was naming everyone "My penis".

[bergie321]

144. Number 10 Alternative

Battlefield Heroes

So glorifying war violence in a video game is fine? But killing zombies is horrible?

[Recursion]

146. Violent crime in the US is at a 50-year low

So if there's any correlation between violent video games and violent acts, it would seem they reduce the rate.

[JackDragna]

151. If these games make people so violent..

..then why aren't the Japanese and South Koreans horribly violent people? These cultures play tons of video games, a good portion of which are also played here.

[Danger Mouse]

153. OMG THE VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES WILL MAKE US ALL INTO HOMICIDAL KILLERS!!!!!

What absolute nonsense. I love Resident Evil 4 dearly, it's one of my favorite games ever, and to date I have yet to go on a homicidal rampage through a spanish village while being chased by a doctor wearing a potato sack on his head that is wielding a chainsaw.

[Arkana]

155. Um, whoever wrote this can go stuff it.

I'm 25 years old, have played every violent game in existence, and I have never felt the desire to hurt anyone or myself. Ever.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

165. The new NBA game by EA Sports is sickening

In career mode you can destroy an entire city's economy by leaving for Miami.

[Touchdown]

173. What I don't get, is how games about zombies, bug hunts, human slaughter,

running over hookers, etc. can actually be called "Adult". I got over all that adolescent, gory violent shit like Fri 13th, Motel Hell, Iron Maiden, Death Race 2000 and Blood Sucking Freaks when I was 17. Hey Kids! It's not blood! It's a sugar & watercolor mixture!

There is nothing Adult about those games.:eyes:

Now, Bioshock sounds halfway intelligent!

[Goodnight]

174. Oh, give me a fucking break on #2

The game is set in Africa, so of course there's going to be mainly black zombies to kill. I didn't hear anyone complain about Resident Evil 4 where you hacked away at Spaniards. And come to think of it, neither do they, in spot #4 - only furthering the hypocrisy. Not everything about black people involves racism. In fact, that opinion in itself is inherently racist. The idiots who made this list should go play with Tipper Gore and leave well enough alone. I'll play any damn games I want to, thankyouverymuch.