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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:38 PM
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The Declaration... is sourced on
... all those sermons given 20 years before. SO let me get this straight... Hume and LOCKE have NOTHING to do with it...

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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:43 PM
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1. It's actually a mix.
of several authors and their thoughts. Jefferson himself was a Deist and had no problem citing a "Creator" in the document, although he (rightly) believed in the churches staying out of government and vice versa.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 07:47 PM
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2. Well it was a product of the era
the Enlightenment thinking.

But that famous phrase... Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, comes straight from, Life, liberty and the pursuit of wealth... in Locke's On Government.

But not according to Beck U...

For whom lecturer all this came from God...
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:08 PM
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8. Listening to Beck - your first mistake.
Give it five minutes, he'll link it to Naziism.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:20 PM
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9. And like all Beck I can handle
I will watch it on Keith.

:hi:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 09:33 PM
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10. I always said the RW Authoritarians, like the Nazis, accuse their victims of doing what they
themselves are doing.

Classic authoritarian/totalitarian projection.

"The Jews are serial liars and propagandists who want to take over the world."

Just as with Beck, most Nazi calumnies against the Jews most accurately describe themselves.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:33 PM
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3. And how many sermons were based on Locke...
Just because it was said in a church back then doesn't mean it was a sermon.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:37 PM
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4. You found Beck U as funny as I did
sadly some idiots will buy it. Hey a lot of the signers went to SEMINARY... the ancient name for Universities in Colonial America

Yes a few were true seminaries in the modern sense of the world, but a few had more in common with universities... and those were a little more religious back then too.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:39 PM
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5. I find Beck U both funny and disturbing.
It is just so wrong on so many levels.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:41 PM
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6. Well I was wondering who'd take Father Coughlin
place... I always believed that be Rush... Nope, Glenny is far more on point on that one.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-08-10 08:58 PM
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7. Yes, he is as close to a clone as you can get without a lab. n/t
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