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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:13 PM
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Obama May Have Worn Out His Welcome On Capitol Hill - LATimes
Obama may have worn out his welcome on Capitol Hill
The president's threat to veto a war funding bill is an 'unwelcome message' to House Democrats, many of whom face a tough midterm election after yielding to the White House's agenda.
By Lisa Mascaro, Tribune Washington Bureau
July 9, 2010
Reporting from Washington

<snip>

The moment has been long in coming, but it may finally have arrived.

For the last year and a half, on issues including healthcare, financial regulation and climate change, Democrats in Congress have bent for President Obama. Liberals swallowed hard to accept compromises that fell short of their long-sought goals, and moderates cast tough votes that now threaten their reelection prospects as voters revolt against government overreach.

Then, last week, the president asked them to bend yet again — this time to approve more money for his troop buildup in an Afghanistan war that many Democrats oppose.

And once again, lawmakers went to work. On the eve of the vote last week, Democratic leaders compiled a complicated $82-billion package of war funding, disaster aid and domestic spending that achieved the seemingly impossible — meeting the president's request while accommodating the needs of its politically diverse members.

Obama responded with a one-word message that sent shudders through his party on the Hill: veto.

In that exchange, the tension between the White House and the president's Democratic allies spilled over.

Obama has led what historians have called the most productive Congress since President Lyndon Johnson, but he may have a much harder time extracting difficult compromises in the future.

"You've got a lot of people doing a lot of heavy lifting here," said freshman Rep. Gerald E. Connolly (D-Va.). "I don't know that we expected flowers and chocolates," he said. But the president's response "was an unwelcome message."

In recent weeks, the president has expressed growing interest in the remaining items on his legislative agenda, including energy and immigration policy. Both are initiatives whose only hope at passage would require another legislative squeeze from the lawmakers who have already yielded to some of the president's toughest requests.

Yet compromise appears difficult as lawmakers approach the midterm election when they, not the president, must fight for their political lives in a tough electoral climate.

"There's no question we've taken on big policy issues," said Rep. Allyson Y. Schwartz (D-Pa.). "Each time we reach a heavy lift we think, 'How are we going to do more?' We do."

Perhaps no issue illustrates the divide between the president and his party as the troop increase in the Afghanistan war, an escalated military campaign that many Democrats opposed.

...

<snip>

More: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-war-congress-20100709,0,4725695,full.story

:shrug:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:16 PM
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1. What, exactly, does Congress consider "heavy lifting"?
Because I haven't noticed them doing much.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:19 PM
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3. Well apparently you haven't been looking
Or think passing legislation that won't throw 100 million people into armed rebellion is easy.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:08 AM
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6. True that
So much massaging to get bad policies through.

Amuses me to no end how easy it would be if a sane agenda was being considered.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:21 PM
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4. meh
Edited on Fri Jul-09-10 11:23 PM by Tunkamerica
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:47 AM
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19. and this statement
"voters revolt against government overreach" is a bunch of hooey. More like under reach.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:18 PM
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2. "How are we going to do more? We do."
And yet DU says they've done nothing.

Some weird kind of disconnect.

And then posting a hit piece when the veto threat was over reduced military spending, which should have support around here.

:crazy:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:30 PM
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5. Hit Piece Huh ??? - Did You Read The Whole Thing ???
Obey devised a complicated legislative strategy that appeased liberal lawmakers by allowing antiwar amendments and pleased moderates by paying for the $10-billion teachers' initiative without adding to the national debt.

But the White House was not pleased with the arrangement, threatening late Thursday to veto the package if it contained any antiwar provisions
or cut programs favored by Obama to pay for the teachers' salaries.

The antiwar provisions failed — though one measure to halt the troop buildup won 100 votes. But the House pressed forward to save the teachers' jobs even in the face of the White House's objections, ensuring funding for not just guns, but butter too.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:06 AM
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23. And that is complete crap
Obey tried to move stimulus money into this supplemental to cover the cost of the $10 billion teacher money that Obama demanded. The idea that Obama objected to money for teachers' jobs is just ludicrous.

It's a hit piece, pure and simple.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:58 AM
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31. Wow... I Had No Idea That The Denial Was So Deep...
So, you really DO get your news from whitehouse.gov

The networks are full of shit.
The cable news shows are full of shit.
The major newspapers are full of shit.
The blogosphere is full of shit.

Remember... when everybody else but you is crazy... there's a pretty good chance that it's you.

:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:34 AM
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36. Good non-answer
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 03:34 AM by sandnsea
And yes, since you don't have an answer, there's a pretty good chance the one full of shit is you.

The networks, cable news and newspapers have been fucked in the head for years. You think they suddenly learned how to report??
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:50 AM
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37. A) What WasThe Question I Failed To Answer... B) Full Of Shit Is...
in the eye of the beholder... and C) Exactly where DO you get your news?

And is it really that hard to fathom that the House Dems are a bit fed-up with the WH???

I'm sure it happens all the time with every administration.

:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:53 AM
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38. The Blue Dogs? Yeah
They're the ones being asked to pass spending they don't want.

The anti-war amendments didn't have enough votes. They can't be mad at Obama. They want the teaching funds, unemployment benefits, jobs programs, etc etc.

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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:37 AM
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44. They wanted to take money from Obama's "Race to the Top" to pay for teachers
Obama asks Democrats to sacrifice their ideals but he refuses to sacrifice even a little on his programs. That was why the veto threat.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:52 AM
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51. Which was stimulus money, not a revenue savings n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:17 AM
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:42 AM
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47. They Sure Do Respond Though, Huh Hugh ???
And responding without reading the post has been a problem here for some time.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 09:54 AM
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48. Look who's provoking people with 'symbolism'
I'm sick of it - m'kay.

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:15 AM
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7. Health Care Reform is a nightmare...
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 12:16 AM by lib2DaBone
Costs are still going up 5 times the rate of inflation. When does relief kick in..2016?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:32 AM
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8. A nightmare without a doubt. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:41 AM
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:53 AM
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11. You Seem Particularly Upset... Are You Gonna Be Alright ???
:shrug:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:56 AM
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12. Prolly.
Rats are just a little creepy, that's all.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:03 AM
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:53 AM
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20. +1
n/t
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:47 AM
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10. Do you spend all your time looking for articles that are
negative on Obama? :eyes:

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:57 AM
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13. That would be a yeppers.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:00 AM
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14. That's what I thought. n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:02 AM
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22. Oh I'm Sorry...
I thought you were a Democrat.

Because if I were a Democrat, and my party had the Presidency and both houses of Congress, I'd want to know how they're all getting along. Because usually the House and Senate can't stand each other, and both are suspicious of the White House as the WH is of Congress.

And with mid-term elections coming up, and trying to make sure that the losses are minimized (kept at their normal for first-term mid-terms) and not a total wiping out (loss of control) of one or both houses of Congress, I'd like to get a sense of how the Democrats are going to approach this election season. And if there were problems looming, better to fix them now, instead of waiting until it is too late.

Anyway that's what I'd do if I were a Democrat.

And that's what I have been doing since Jerry Brown in 1974 for CA Governor, Jimmy Carter in 1976, and every election since.

:shrug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:31 AM
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28. Well, yippee skippy on you.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 02:35 AM by SeattleGirl
And boo on you for thinking that anybody who doesn't go about bashing Obama at any opportunity is somehow wrong.

I am a Democrat, but obviously, not the kind of Democrat that you would support: one who will bash other democrats (especially the President) at any chance they get. :puke:

By they way, is that a woodchuck, or are you just happy to see me?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:42 AM
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29. I thought it was a rat, no? nt
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:48 AM
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30. And I've Never Seen Such Hyper-Sensitivity Over A Politician In My Entire Life...
I voted for him ya know, supported him over Hillary, still wear my campaign shirt into bars and other public places where I am challenged and forced to defend him and the Democratic Party on a regular basis.

But when I'm here... I get to ask my fellow Dems if they are seeing the same thing I'm seeing. And if I don't like what I'm seeing, I'll point it out here.

And yeah... my woodchuck is definitely happy to see ya.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:04 AM
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32. Frankly, I think your mission is to crap all over Obama.
Is he perfect? No.

But I also think he is not a s bad as you seem to think he is.

This whole song and dance about "I don't like what I'm seeing" is nothing more than a smoke screen you use for bashing him at every chance you can find.

It's really quite tiresome.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:08 AM
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33. Take A Nap
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:10 AM
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:12 AM
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35. I'm Sure It's A Target Rich Environment
:evilgrin:
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:01 PM
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54. Take a vacation.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:17 AM
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41. Not when you bash 24/7
lost perspective - avatar says it all
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:01 AM
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15. No
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:15 AM
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40. Yes
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:56 AM
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21. Find something positive to post on Obama instead of making snarky remarks
and attacking the messenger.

The article was neutral BTW. Dry and boring, M$M reporting.

"Hit piece", OMFG. :crazy:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:15 AM
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39. Absolutely
Someone has to bash the president 24/7 on DU
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:43 AM
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18. Does this $82B bill include unemployment extension for literally MILLIONS of unemployed??
In the worst job market since the Great Depression, with grim outlooks for the long-term unemployed??

What are they supposed to do when they've lost their only source of income and have no possibility of finding a job in this market?
Are they supposed to become homeless? Kill themselves? Or perhaps enlist??

:nuke:

:nuke:

:nuke:



FUCK.

I really feel like throwing something right now.

:argh:



Why is he threatening to veto, anyway?? I hope he's fighting for the long-term unemployed and trying to include a provision extending the unemployment benefits!! (?)

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:09 AM
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24. Yes it does
And it includes $10 billion in money for teachers and state employees. The veto threat is to prevent last year's stimulus money from being shuffled into this supplemental. It's bullshit the Blue Dogs want and Obama said no.

Further, $30 billion of this is for the troops, the other $50 billion is for jobs and teachers, Haiti, the gulf, other disasters, etc. It is NOT a war bill, it is an emergency supplemental that is done just about every year.

So maybe you want to find something besides snark to post.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:16 AM
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26. And Unemployment Benefits ???
Actual Unemployment Benefits?

:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:23 AM
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27. Yes
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:44 PM
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55. Thanks for the link, but you confusing two different bills.

The war supplemental bill (in the OP) is H.R. 4899 and is completely different from the unemployment benefits extension bill, H.R. 5618.

It's the old news that the Unemployment Extension bill was passed by the House. House has never been a problem, it's the Senate that refuses to pass it.

From your link:

House Passes Unemployment Extension
(July 1, 2010)

The House has passed legislation to extend unemployment benefits through the end of November.

However, the Senate has so far failed to overcome a filibuster and is not likely to pass a bill until after it returns from the weeklong July 4 holiday recess (see Senate Again Fails to Pass Unemployment Extension).







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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:58 PM
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56. So you knew the House passed unemployment benefits
but pretended they didn't???
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:48 PM
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59. Dude. Are you kidding me.

The House was never an issue; they had a strong support for the extension; it's never even been a question.

It's the SENATE that kept fucking it up and failing to pass it for weeks, if not longer.


You really don't pay much attention, do you. :shrug:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:37 PM
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58. The veto threat was over Obama's pet project -
the union-busting, anti-teacher "Race To The Top" (No Child Left Behind On Steroids, basically) thing.

$10 billion in aid to state governments to prevent 140,000 teacher layoffs was at stake. In order for that $10 Billion bill to pass and be paid for, it required to be leveraged by a small ($500 million = 10% cut) from the Obama/Duncan pet project, Union-busting Charter Reform (hated by teachers).

Luckily, the House Democrats took a courageous stand for the teachers and overwhelmingly voted for the teachers jobs amendment, against a White House veto threat and strenous opposition. (236 House Dems voted for the amendment, and only 15 (mostly blue dogs) opposed.)


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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:14 AM
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25. *May* have?
Yes, I'm sure that's all that's wrong.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 06:22 AM
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43. What welcome? He has been the target of the over the top and unfair
attacks since day one
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:40 AM
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:42 AM
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46. Congress is unpopular for not passing enough of Obama's agenda quickly enough.
They really don't get it, do they?
Time to pass climate change legislation if they want to get re-elected.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:05 AM
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49. That should make Obama your hero
Isn't Capitol Hill controlled by corporations? :rofl:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:06 AM
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50. So Congress wants to do less
so they can keep thier seats? This country is insanse.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:54 AM
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52. Puttin you on the Greatest Page
Good post.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:00 PM
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57. It's crap
Since when do you not care about facts? I swear there is some kind of brain snatcher infecting DU through the keyboard. Intelligent people are turning to mush right before my eyes.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:58 AM
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53. All these deleted messages are great. It will be better when the offending
posters get locked out of the thread.:thumbsup:

When do we get that feature? It has been a while since the announcement.
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