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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 07:13 PM
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Poll question: Is this an example of why the term "Soviet Canuckistan" is sometimes used for Canada?
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 07:22 PM by Boojatta
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 08:13 PM
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1. IIRC, Pat Buchanan called Canada "Soviet Canuckistan" for some
political reason back in the 90s. I don't remember the exact situation, but his comment was in major papers. Canadians responded by howling with laughter and printing up t-shirts with "Proud Citizen of Soviet Canuckistan" on them.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:33 PM
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2. Is censorship of political ideas and of basic factual information a kind of cultural imperialism?
Edited on Sun Jul-11-10 03:34 PM by Boojatta

December 10, 2008

Efforts to revive this site (following the political difficulties of last year) have now fizzled out, writes founding editor, Nick Young, but it will remain accessible until the end of 2010 as an archive of past work

(...)

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Negotiations with police and government officials following our political difficulties this summer brought no useful result, writes Nick Young. Indeed, when I tried to return to China in September, immigration officials turned me back at the airport and cancelled my multiple-entry visa, citing Article XII of the Immigration Law (“Foreigners considered to be persons who might endanger the security of the State or the social order of China shall not be allowed to enter the country.”)

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I, as editor of the English language edition of China Development Brief, am deemed guilty of conducting “unauthorized surveys” in contravention of the 1983 Statistics Law, and have been ordered to desist. It was made perfectly clear to me that any report posted on this website (which is run off a UK server) would count as the output of an unauthorized survey.

From:
http://www.chinadevelopmentbrief.com/node/508
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 04:04 PM
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3. The University of Toronto's an unaccredited degree mill now? (nt)
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 09:22 PM
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4. That's one answer option for the poll. I try to include a variety of options in my polls.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:07 PM
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6. Having non-bullshit options might help. (nt)
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:32 PM
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8. Do you have anything specific in mind?
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 03:27 PM by Boojatta
When I create a poll, I have to apply the typing sciences to input a specific sequence of symbols into a computer keyboard. It's a very specific and very technical process. There is no way for me to enter a completely generic, non-crimethinkful poll answer option.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:04 PM
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5. Kick to evoke comments and votes from DU members.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:19 PM
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7. I feel compelled to respond to this poll
I'm a proud Soviet Canuckistanian myself.

But I don't fully understand the point here.

On side note, my spell checker is freaking out at "Canuckistanian" Alternate suggestions? Pakistani, Mauritanian, Cannibalistic and Circumstantial :rofl:
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:44 AM
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9. Does the description for the course NEW424Y1 give you the impression...
that the course belongs in the category "scholarship" or in the category "indoctrination"?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:19 PM
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15. No. C'mon, what IS your fucking point?
This has been bothering me for a couple of days. What do you see that so offends you about this?

That it's too "left wing" for you? That it's Canadian? Maybe it's the combination that sets you off?

WHAT?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:45 PM
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16. If a television program is trying to convert people to Islam...
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 07:46 PM by Boojatta
... then is it an example of cultural imperialism? Islam is a religion, and religion is an aspect of culture.

Even when we are talking about old-fashioned military empire-building, words like "imperialism" and "colonialism" are studiously avoided in connection with Islam. Use a search engine to look for the phrase "Meccan colonialism" and tell me whether you get anything that wasn't written by me.

I get the impression that "imperialism" isn't being used to refer to any phenomenon that fulfills some specified criteria. It sounds like Soviet propaganda vocabulary, not the language of scholarship.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:54 PM
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17. Context is everything
Obviously, the professor presenting this course has a Caribbean worldview of Capitalism. And if you haven't noticed lately, a LOT of people are starting to question whether unbridled capitalism actually serves 100% of humanity.

Was the course title inartfully stated? Yes. Was it potentially inflammatory? Cetainly.

But I'm sorry if you perceive that as "Soviet propaganda".

Just because one is opposed to capitalism, it doesn't make them a communist. And what's wrong with being a communist, anyways?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:37 PM
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20. The Great Crash occurred in 1929, and it was followed by the Great Depression.
Why would unregulated capitalism suddenly be considered a reasonable option?

The Berlin Wall was dismantled in 1989. Why would communism suddenly be considered a reasonable option? If communism is to be imposed somewhere, then are people going to flee or will another wall like the Berlin wall be created to prevent people from fleeing?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 09:08 AM
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24. Is there a world context?
If the media in Europe and America are to be described as racist and sexist, then might it be a good idea to look around and see what kind of world it is?

It's a world that includes Saudi Arabia as a wealthy and influential country, a country where women still cannot vote. Is there anything sexist about Saudi Arabia that might affect its media?

Is there a path to citizenship for foreign workers in Saudi Arabia? Slavery wasn't abolished in Saudi Arabia until the 1960s. Is there anything racist about Saudi Arabia that might affect its media?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:00 PM
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19. Oh, and another point
"Indoctrination"?

I hardly think a second-year student at the University of Toronto would be susceptible to "indoctrination".

It's one of the "top-tier" universities, meaning you need higher-than-average marks to get in, AFTER you've written a tough entrance exam.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 09:07 PM
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21. People can study engineering and later become terrorists.
Why do you think that students who get high marks aren't susceptible to indoctrination?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 09:30 PM
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22. You don't think that business schools don't practice "indoctrination" , by your definition?
If that's "indoctrination", then we're ALL hopelessy suggestible to ANYTHING and NOT capable of critical thought at all.

Might as well commit suicide, since it can't be altered in any way.

Sorry, I credit human beings with more intelligence than that.

Your "engineers becoming terrorists" example is ludicrous in our pampered, western world.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:45 AM
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25. "Your 'engineers becoming terrorists' example is ludicrous"
Perhaps your efforts to educate people would be more effective if you contacted Benjamin Popper. His audience is probably bigger than mine.


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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:58 PM
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18. Actually existing word usage for the word "imperialism"...
The theoretical confusion of trade union and other popular mass leaders is now climaxed in their wrong attitude toward the war. With few exceptions, they are accepting the capitalist contention that Great Britain and France are defending democracy against Hitlerism. Thus they walk straight into the trap of the imperialist war-makers and try to draw the masses in after them. Reactionaries like Green and Woll, lieutenants of capitalism in the ranks of labor, take a pro-war position as a matter of policy; but there are also many honest mass leaders, especially of the lower categories, who follow the war-makers simply through ignorance and inability to analyze the complex clash of social forces.

(...)

Today our Party confronts gigantic problems of teaching the masses that this is an imperialist war, in mobilizing them to struggle for peace and to keep America out of the war, in organizing them to defend their civil rights, living standards, and social legislation; in enlightening them in the principles of socialism. Our Party can fulfill these difficult tasks only if it learns and practices the profound lessons that Lenin and Stalin have to teach us in Marxian theory, political strategy, mass organization, and mass activization.

William Z. Foster
Lenin and Stalin as Mass Leaders
Source: The Communist, Vol. XVIII, No. 12, December 1939
Publisher: Workers Library Publishers, New York, N.Y.
Transcription\HTML Markup: Brian Reid
Public Domain: Marxists Internet Archive (2007). You may freely copy, distribute, display and perform this work; as well as make derivative and commercial works. Please credit “Marxists Internet Archive” as your source.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:52 AM
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10. Hell, I've taken some variation that class several times over
in undergrad and grad school here in the U.S.

Wasn't quite the same description listed in the course catalog, but I'm willing to bet the blood and guts of the class and lectures were pretty similar


AND fwiw, I would happily take that class if I were a student there
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:54 AM
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11. Please post links to descriptions of a couple of those courses!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 09:00 AM
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12. we had nice, benign names for them
like International Marketing Communication, Media Analysis, History of Broadcast in Society, etc...Course matter was probably still very similar, but more conventional professors instead of 'outside-of-the-box' ones
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 09:09 AM
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13. I suspect that a course description doesn't indicate whether or not a prof is conventional.
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 09:10 AM by Boojatta
You can observe a course description remaining unchanged for years, while there's a series of different professors teaching it, possibly in quite different ways.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:02 PM
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14. Kick
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 10:02 PM
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23. Hmm, won't be reading that whatever it is.
"Eurocentric" press in Canada my ass.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 12:17 PM
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26. It's not a book. It's a course in a formal education system. n/t
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 08:01 PM
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27. Kick
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:14 AM
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28. Link to a thread that is arguably on a related topic...
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 09:33 AM
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29. Now we have a new reason for applying the term Soviet Canuckistan to the "Great" White North.


At that point at least two officers yanked me up, including a thug, who may have been a plain-clothes officer, and was a black male wearing a black T-shirt with curvy print on it, about 6'3, perhaps 250 lbs. Photos of this man show a muscular, powerful frame. For the sake of this write-up, I will call this person "Thug A." I later learned that this thug or one of the other thugs may have been named Officer Antonie. Several other thugs, who may have been plain-clothes police, were present. One of them was a tall black man wearing plaid shorts and a white T-shirt, who also may have been a plain-clothes officer. For the sake of this write-up, I will call this person “Thug B.”

Please note that none of my attackers ever identified himself as a police officer. They were wearing plain clothes and were driving an unmarked vehicle that looked like a standard soccer-mom minivan. I have no qualms calling my attackers thugs. They never gave me any indication that they were anything but thugs.

I was yanked in an aggressive fashion toward a blue unmarked van. The door was open and the middle seat of the van was folded down. Thug B climbed into the back of the vehicle just before I was flung toward the open door. As I was tossed toward the open door of the vehicle, my right knee hit something which I believe was the edge of the van (the metal lip of the door step). I was pulled into the vehicle, with Thug A roughly pulling my legs into the vehicle.

As I was pulled into the van, another thug, who may have been a plain-clothes officer, was sitting in the driver’s seat of the van. For the sake of this write-up, I will call the person sitting in the driver’s seat “Thug C.” While I was being pulled into the vehicle, Thug C reached back with his right hand and took hold of my neck. Thug C was white with brown hair and a beard and was wearing a black T-shirt and black baseball cap.

As the van began moving and the door to the van closed, the two thugs in the back seat pulled me around so that I was laying face up with my head almost in between the passenger and driver seat. As they were doing so, Thug A was punching me in the stomach, just hard enough to shock someone who is delicate but not hard enough to harm me. As they punched me and turned me over, they said statements such as “stop struggling,” and “stop punching.” (Again, my hands were cuffed.) I immediately realized that they may be making such completely erroneous statements because we were being recorded, and I loudly stated “I’m not struggling,” and/or “I am not resisting arrest.”

Thug A sat on top of me over my pelvic area. My handcuffs were digging into my wrists. My only goal was to live through the experience without losing my humanity, my spirit, or my presence of mind, to find out where I was being taken, and to find out as much as I could about these thugs, whether they were officers or some sort of private contractors, i.e. paramilitary groups.

Thug B then squeezed my throat with his right hand, digging his thumb deeply into my carotid artery area, on the right side of my throat. He held this for perhaps ten seconds, as Thug A stepped on me, re-adjusting himself overtop of me. I almost passed out at that point as the carotid artery is the chief artery that supplies blood to the brain. At some point during or before this strangulation, I wet myself. Urine seeped into and through my clothing. Darkness almost overtook me, but I held on and I did not lose consciousness.

During this whole time the thugs were calling me names such as: “cunt,” “bitch,” “whore,” and “street trash.” A constant barrage of their statements were phrases such as “Look at this street whore.” In addition, Thug A was making statements such as, “So you think you can smash up Toronto? Think again, you dirty bitch.”

When I did not lose consciousness from choking, Thug B punched the right side of my head with his left fist. This was done at least once, and may have been repeated. I did not lose consciousness, but I began telling them, “I am a good person. I don’t know why you are doing this to me. I did not harm anything or anyone.”

As I was saying this, Thug A, who had been sitting on top of me, began patting around my skirt. “Why is she wet?” he yelled. Thug B replied that I had “pissed” on myself. Thug A then expressed disgust and began calling me horrible names, and deriding me for “pissing on him.” He stopped sitting on my pelvic area and moved further down my legs.

During a large part of this assault, Thug C was reaching back from the driver’s seat and pulling my hair very hard, harder than it has ever been pulled. A man in a turquoise-colored shirt was sitting in the passenger seat of the van. For the sake of this write-up, I will call this person “Thug D.”

http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/story/story-my-arrest-detainment/3997


Also See video of testimony from media activist Lacy MacAuley after being snatched by an unmarked van at the Toronto G20 at http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=5386
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