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TalkingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:08 AM Original message |
Standardized curriculum, rote memorization and nationalized testing are LITERALLY destroying America |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. There is a pretty good SG1 episode on that topic. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Dammit, now I need to find my Stargate DVDs... (nt) |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. I would be interested to know if it is the same. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. 'Race to the Bottom' and we can thank Bush's No Child Left Behind |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I agree completely. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Nice post. And I'm glad you have some professors who |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Thank you, sabrina 1. Going back to "college" has been an eye-opener for me. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. That is a sad statement, susanna. Good for you for |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. I've always gotten very annoyed |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Yes, that is true. But when all you know is what is on a test |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
47. I've been out of college for a while |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I haven't been to college |
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SanchoPanza (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. Dupe n/t |
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SanchoPanza (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. The difference really isn't in terms of teaching to the test. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. It wasn't just Bush's NCLB... |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. My friend is older and came out of the old Chinese system |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. As part of my old job, |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. There are many who would applaud if this happened.... |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. That plus intolerance for dialogue, I think. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. K & R nt |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. EVERY point in the OP title is WRONG: It is LACK of any memorization that is killing US education. |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Humanities & the arts |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I don't know where you get your information but you are sadly misinformed. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Obviously you haven't been in a school for the last ten years. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Actually, I've been teaching all that time. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Yes. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
39. "Common standards" does not = "common curriculum". |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. A focus on memorization leaves no time for critical thinking and problem solving |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. +1000 nt |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Memorization is step #1 in understanding |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. There is NO national standardized curriculum. If there were, every school district would be FORCED |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You are arguing apples and oranges |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. "Selected school districts" is NOT NATION-WIDE, by definition! |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Have you ever been to school? (nt) |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. OFGS, I was in elementary school when the OP must have stopped HIS observations, in the 1950's. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
16. K&R going head first into a flawed model is not progress |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. Disgraceful... we have turned our system into 'teaching to the test' |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. good debt slaves don't need creativity, the ability to reason, or even literacy for that matter |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
20. k&r for the turth. Well said. n/t |
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cordelia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
21. K&R |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
24. Bush destroyed the Texas education system while governor |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. Creative, curious, determined people can learn anything. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. But the companies that develop and score the tests are laughing all the way to the bank. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yet the majority of Americans, including Democrats, |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
36. And simultaneously a classical liberal arts educations falls precipitously. |
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eecumings (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. Take bright-eyed |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. Mission accomplished, then. |
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