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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:28 PM
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Vatican: Ordination of women a crime equal to molesting minors.
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 04:29 PM by denem
No, not The Onion.

Vatican issues new guidelines on sexual abuse cases

The new rules allow the Vatican to fast-track the defrocking of a priest guilty of child molestation and extend the statute of limitations on reporting abuse. Critics say they are not enough.

Under the revised regulations, the Holy See can fast-track the defrocking of a cleric guilty of child molestation. The rules extend the statute of limitations within church law in such cases and define sexual abuse of the mentally disabled and possession of child pornography as canonical crimes for which a priest can be stripped of his clerical status...

And controversially, the new document classifies the attempted ordination of a woman as a canonical crime equal in gravity to molesting minors and heresy. That has outraged advocates of greater rights for women within the Roman Catholic Church, many of them in the United States...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pope-abuse-rules-20100716,0,4914166.story
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:30 PM
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1. Sinead O'Connor will be heading for Rome with an AK-47.
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 04:30 PM by Ken Burch
...just sayin'...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:31 PM
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2. Well, they know all about molesting minors...
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:31 PM
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3. I saw how the priests treated the nuns
being in catholic school for 12 years. That they said this, doesn't surpise me in the least. To them, women are subservient; they only exist for the sole purpose of precreation of species.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:42 PM
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7. The only reason they grudgingly admitted women had souls
was so that they could send us all to hell.

And they wonder why I have so little use for anyone above the level of parishoner.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:32 PM
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4. By that logic then, the Vatican should have no problem ordaining women.
After all, they have no problem with their priests molesting children.

Fuck, I am so ashamed that I was raised Catholic. Sick fucking "church".
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:35 PM
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5. It amazes me that anyone can still be a catholic...
and actually take this organization seriously.


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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:04 AM
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26. Yes, I agree, that religion outlived it's value to society about well
500 years ago.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:35 PM
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6. Of course it's not The Onion.
I've been following a discussion about this on another Internet site, and the folks there say there is really no difference betweenn lumping criminal sex offenders in with those who just happen to be women. In fact, ordaining women is fraud, dontcha know, and both diddling priests and those silly women who somehow feel a calling to serve their God and religion are leading the flock astray.

It's like equating shoplifting to capital murder, in my opinion, and is about the biggest insult the Church can throw at women.

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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:44 PM
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8. The primary difference being...
...that minors are getting molested frequently.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:49 PM
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9. I am really at a loss for words on this.....
I guess the Vatican wants to drag everyone back several centuries...

Whatever credibility they may have had is being lost at a headspinning rate.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:51 PM
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10. Your subject line is all you need to know about the Catholic Church.
As far away from Jesus as fire is from ice !
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:51 PM
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11. If you're not going to ordain women, quit baptizing them
Or is the "priesthood of all believers" just another passage to be "spiritualized" before sending it down the Memory Hole?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:34 PM
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16. +1 n/t
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 04:51 PM
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12. so, that means they're okay with ordaining women as priests now!!
fucking loons.



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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:01 PM
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13. Not only OK with it, but willing to go to great lengths and expense to protect the activity
Boy, I can't wait to read about dioceses giving all their holdings to straw men entities so they can declare bankruptcy because they ordained a few females and are facing huge lawsuits after already losing a bunch of other lawsuits.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 07:34 AM
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24. ROFL
:crazy:

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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:13 PM
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14. At the risk of heresy, they can all go to hell. I'll meet them there.
And as Dante said, there will be plenty of them there.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:26 PM
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15. Can't say I agree...
After all, if a Bishop ordains a woman, they'll defrock him.
If a Priest molests a minor, they'll move him to a new parish.
Nope, not equal at all. By thier policy and action, they think ordaining a woman is WORSE than molesting a minor.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:57 PM
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17. Holy smokes I was just thinking about you!
I guess I haven't been landing on threads you post on because I was just wondering what had become of you. Good to see your screenname again. :hi:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:01 AM
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25. OT, but man, it's good to see you!
Haven't seen any posts from you in ages, maybe I just missed them, but actually been worried about you of late.

Hope things are good in your life, HH.

:hi:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:01 PM
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18. worthless piece of shit assholes
why does anyone give money to this pedophile-loving, woman hating right wing hate fest?

how can anyone defend this group of corrupt, sick and evil men? how can anyone find anything worthwhile in this organization - I don't care if you say the corruption is in the hierarchy - why don't priests leave this church if they aren't corrupt? why don't women realize they are treated like shit by this sick institution instead of support it?

I have no respect for anyone who defends the institutional church - to do so makes you as guilty as the hierarchy in promoting hatred of women.

That's what you're doing, whether you want to admit it or not.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:11 PM
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19. They hate women as much as the Taliban does
What a pathetic Church!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:32 PM
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21. Meanwhile, Chavez has asked his attorney general to review
the agreement Venezuela has with the Vatican to make sure none of it is unconstitutional. :evilgrin:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:50 PM
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22. I was just gonna say that Islam isn't the only religion that hates women.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:55 PM
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23. Paul of Tarsus was quite sexist!
Told women to keep quiet and to ask their husbands if they had any questions.

Ironically, Paul of Tarsus never knew nor met Jesus.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:27 PM
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20. neanderthals....that is all n/t
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:28 AM
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29. Dude, neanderthals had feelings. nt
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:04 AM
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27. I'm with the heretrics on this one. n/t
PB
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:04 AM
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28. so i guess they will be allowing it then?
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:32 AM
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30. The Catholic Church can just fuck right the hell off. Why any woman would want
to be part of the Catholic clergy is beyond me, but this notion that women are somehow unable to commune with the divine but men can handle it just fine is not only hokum, it's infuriating.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:46 AM
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31. K&R
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 09:59 AM
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32. Does that mean they've been doing it secretly for 100s of years???
Love that Vapidcan logic.

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StarlightGold Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 10:48 AM
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33. And so many women
will nod in agreement with this. "Well, he's supposed to speak for God, so I'll rack up extra points in heaven if I go along with it." What a pile of garbage. Even I have enough self-respect than to stay in an institution like this....
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