Want to Know How to Help Solve Immigration Problems?

[SargeUNN]

I am doing a special one hour show about this issue telling what is going on in Arizona and how to start finding ways to get real solutions instead of radical, racist laws like Arizona has adopted and several states are thinking of. I will take calls tonight for those who want to have a real discussion on this.

Show information:
tonight at 5 pm pacific 8 pm Eastern and can be streamed at http://thedavidlinkshow.com or http://wxbh.org

[napi21]

1. I still say the best way to eliminate illegal immigration is to

go after the employers BIG TIME! First offense, $1,000 per employee they hired without proof of citizenship. Second offense, 30 days jail time PER EMPLOYEE hired without proof. And when that effort stopped the illegals from risking coming here becasue there is no longer a reason, the employers like the AG businesses, slaughter houses, etc. will start screaming that they can't find any workers, THEY'LL put the pressure on the Pubs to come to the table on immigration change. It wouldn't take very long to reach an agreement either. The media pics of acres of fruits & vegies rotting in the field will make the bill pass at record speed.

[Warpy]

2. More importantly, they'll do what that chicken plant in Georgia did

after all their illegals were scooped up and deported--they'll raise wages. There is no shortage of American workers willing to gut chickens, pick produce, or do all the other grunt work in this country. There's just a shortage of American workers who will do it for starvation wages.

[ejpoeta]

3. i agree. i don't blame people for wanting a better life. go after the employers who are trying to

take advantage of these people because they can't complain. as long as you are going after the workers, there is no incentive for the employers to not hire them. nothing happens to them. what do they care. make it fiscally untenable for them to hire people illegally.

[Taitertots]

34. Give the money to who ever reports them

There would be a line of people reporting the hiring of illegal aliens.

No amount of legal aliens would replace illegal aliens. They would have to start paying reasonable wages and they would have to stop abusing workers.

[SargeUNN]

4. Going after Employers is just one part

Certainly it has to be part of the answer, but then you still have the problem of the people. Don't make the mistake of lumping all in one group, because they aren't just those who have a place in another country to go to. I will address this on this show along with the need to hold corporations and banks responsible to help resolve this issue. I hope you will tune in and feel free to call. I am serious about this issue and have investigated it for a couple of years so I feel I have some ideas and plans that would be a good start.

[rucky]

5. Remove the market for it.

go after the employers, who are screwing American workers and unfairly competing against legal businesses.

[SargeUNN]

6. thanks for the replies, keep them coming

I am thrilled to see your answers and am reading them. I hope you will tune in and call in. We can start a real discussion on this issue if we unite and have this discussion. We have to start making noise on it to get attention like the right wing has done. Thanks folks lets stand up since one of our basic believes is being assaulted here, HUMAN RIGHTS

[sandnsea]

7. Remember to mention new ICE strategy

going after employers rather than workers.

http://www.illumemag.com/zine/articleDetail.php?Obama-s-New-Silent-Raids-Sneak-Out-of-the-Shadows-13110

[Oregone]

8. Dissolve nation states and the notion of political borders

Seems like the least complicated approach actually

[SargeUNN]

9. won't happen

this is so unlikely it really is nothing more than a pipe dream. People want to label stuff from people to materials so even if we did this someone would come along and reestablish them.

[Oregone]

17. Oh, you negative nancy

[raouldukelives]

10. We could try crashing the economy

and gutting all government services.

[EFerrari]

12. That's working pretty well so far! Immigration has been flat for several years.

Now, Obama needs to reverse his militarization of Latin America so people don't have to flee the paras.

[Unvanguard]

11. Stop criminalizing immigrants.

There you go. Problem solved.

[SargeUNN]

14. I am going to address this idea on the show

it is actually an idea I have heard for years and I have asked people who have worked for decades in this area about that. I will address it on the show tonight.

[rock]

15. Apparently not

It's illegal but not criminal as it stands.

[Unvanguard]

23. Technically correct, but beside the point as long as we are deporting people

and depriving them of access to basic legal protections.

[Initech]

13. We could try ending the war on drugs.

[SargeUNN]

16. certainly part of a solution

however let me remind you that crimes related to this group has actually decreased the last few years.

[SargeUNN]

18. any other thoughts?

I am certainly interested in hearing them and would love to have them in my mind during the show and possibly respond to.

[EFerrari]

19. Yeah, we need to stop funneling millions of dollars to right wing oligarchs

to destabilize democracies in Latin America.

[blondeatlast]

20. Reframe the issue as Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO President, did. An immigrant

didn't choose to hire himself or ship your job to Nogales.

Great speech, here: http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/06/24/trumkas-speech-on-immigration-available-now-in-video-excerpts/

[SargeUNN]

21. I hope you call in

I have gotten to know you through this site and would love to hear from you. You have my respect.

[Catshrink]

22. You might mention the cyclical nature of these immigration eruptions

A U of A law professor discussed this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8752479

[Cleita]

24. My problem with the way immigration is framed is that

only immigrants of hispanic ethnicity are targeted. When you get right down to it most of those people are actually mostly Native American with little European in them. They have Spanish names because the Catholic missionaries who converted them and baptized them, gave them Spanish names. Isn't this really their land originally? Also, much of the West originally belonged to Spain and then Mexico. Many Hispanic Americans are decedents of that era. When I lived in Southern California I met illegal immigrants from Ireland, England, Scotland Denmark, Sweden, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The difference was that they spoke English and looked European. No one talks about those illegal immigrants. Yet that Salt Lake City immigrant hit list has only Spanish names on it. I'm sure there are more illegal immigrants in Salt Lake City, but since they are European and speak English, I guess they don't count.

[blondeatlast]

26. Good points all. nt

[Donnachaidh]

25. fines and jail time retroactive back 10 years for employers who hired illegals

Even the folks hiring people for day jobs.

Immigrants go where the jobs are. We give a pass on employers that CAUSED the problem, while doing an economic beatdown on people who are trying to make a living.

JAIL the employers. they'll stop hiring real quick.

[SargeUNN]

27. glad to see the attention to this thread, now

please tune in, and if you want to do so call in. It really is a show to help advance this discussion and hopefully start people looking deeper into the situation this law has created.

[Monique1]

28. Maybe I'm looking too much into this

but I can see the Republicans/teabaggers saying with the illegals gone there are many jobs available now. You go work in the fields for almost nothing because if you don't take the job you are SOL, there is no excuse saying you can't find a job. I can see them forcing people to work these jobs. This is a way of ending many benefits for people who need them.

[SargeUNN]

29. How hard is the right working this?

One example is if you call the Governor of Arizona's office, you will get a plea to donate to a fund to help finance the defense of SB1070. I don't know how legal it is, but certainly I think it is questionable and unethical.

[Monique1]

30. Thanks Sarge

I forgot about the phone call I made to Jan Brewers office last week. I called the governor's office and received the message that if I was calling to contribute to the 1070 fund and was given an explanation, push I forget what number - stay on if I was calling for some other reason. A human voice came on, I said why I was calling and than given the contribute to the 1070 fund again. Finally, I received a voice mail to tell why I was calling. She is using the governor's office for her own biases. My call to her office had nothing to do with 1070.

[JonLP24]

31. One thing

we need to address is immigrants that came here when they were 5 or so carried by their parents and grown up to be an adult becoming familiar with this place. Going after the employers would affect them and deporting them back to Mexico leaves a challenge for them as they are in a country they haven't been for a very long time, don't know what it takes to survive, etc. I suppose if they can come over here and survive than they should be able to go over there and survive. But I do think it is something that should be addressed and immigration reform is needed. It is much more complex than adults crossing the border that are actively and purposely breaking the law.

Hayworth mentioned last night that the 14th Amendment is being abused and mentioned some clause that people born to illegal immigrant parents would not get citizenship. I didn't research the amendment looking for a "clause" because I think he is full of shit. I would mention that--he joined the ranks of Pearce in repealing the 14th Amendment.

[SargeUNN]

32. I couldn't agree more

One issue I have covered on my shows is the Dream Act. It is another step to reasonable solution of the issue, but has been so misrepresented it is not getting the support it should. You can bet this is one of the things I will mention on the show tonight.

[SargeUNN]

33. I have seen some here who have asked this but that is just part of it

I heard a member of the Democratic Party leadership here give a whimpy explanation to why they aren't doing more on this. It really angered me and even though I had stopped doing live shows, this spurred me to do a live show. I know it is a small listening audience but maybe, just maybe, some of you will tune in and we can be the spark that creates more discussion and hopefully educate others.

[SargeUNN]

35. just under an hour so if you want to add something

You got a few minutes. Hope you tune it.

[entanglement]

36. No just and equitable solution exists within the framework of capitalism

As things stand right now, any "solution" will be at the expense of one or the other group of workers because the powers that be care nothing for either.