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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 12:53 AM Original message |
As Netroots Nation starts this week, some Democrats warn the liberals. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. I would tell |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Face to face with either I would probably not say anything. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Good on YOU....Took the words right out of my mouth! n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. Seems the 'grownups' are all about fighting wars and further enriching the already rich. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Seems that way sometimes. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. They aren't grownups, they are spoiled, screaming brats with their heads in the sand |
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Umbral (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. When someone questions your maturity, they are trying to manipulate you. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. +1000 nt |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. Did George W. Bush ever " have to decide whether (he) wants to make the grubby |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
76. junyer couldn't even wipe his own butt... |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
9. I would like to tell Will |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
10. Oh please, we lived like lambs in a slaughter house under Dick Cheney |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Wow looks like we think alike |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I really didn't think much of government growing up because Ronald |
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HillbillyBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:09 AM Response to Reply #12 |
69. We need to take that stick and beat the hell out of them |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
13. William Marshall doesn't want me to "mature", he wants me to drop dead. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
14. Will, you have your panties in a bunch |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
15. "Rigid ideology" ? WTF are they talking about? |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Sounds like he is thinking that anything left of Rahm Emmanuel is "Socialism" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. They have used words like that for years when discussing us. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
81. rigid idealogy like socialism for the rich, cold-hearted capitalism for the rest |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
16. Ray LaHood - Republican will be there |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. I wonder why? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
87. LOL |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
18. There was a time when maturity meant doing the difficult things.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
32. I remember times like that. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
19. Speaking of "blind allegiance to rigid ideologies"... |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. "rigid adherence to neoliberal free-marketeer pro-business(read pro-corporate/pro-wealthy) ideology" |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. the Sharia of the "Free Market" |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. "I think the DLCers are like generals preparing |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. Well said! |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
66. The DLC is really |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
88. Amen! eom |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
20. "The more they fear that Democrats are lurching left, |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
57. Let them "look elsewhere politically"...We've been trying to get rid |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
59. That "elsewhere" sounds like heading right to me. |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. This dude lost his primary yet STILL didn't get it. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
21. George Bush... |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You know what they used to call hardline conservatives berating Reagan and GHWBush... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
23. If you want to control policy, you have to win lots of elections. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
24. Have we matured? How does the party deal with us? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. It appears he equates maturity with following leaders, no matter what. |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
84. If they keep it up, they won't have to deal with me much longer. Nor |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
25. ArrrrGGGGhhhhhh. The Marginalization! It Buuuuurrrrrrnnnnnns! ArrrrrGGGGGhhhhhh |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Indeed it does, Stinky. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
26. And I've got a warning for Mr. Marshall and Mr. Davis and I will |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
27. Will Marshall is a NEOCON regardless of what he calls his group: |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. You should post this as an OP |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. here you go: |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. Will Marshall's "Progressive" Internationalism was part of the DLC's "Democratic" platform in 2004 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
28. And it's funny I just did a piece on him, the DLC, and the Catfood Commission. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
29. "I would say to him to define maturity." I think he did define maturity, right after that quote. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Yep. To him maturity is not standing for beliefs, it is compromising. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. You can stand up for all of your beliefs all of the time when you are in the minority. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. The dispute, then, is as to which grubby political compromises are made. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. I fear our side does all the compromising out of fear of their side's wrath. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:03 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Can you name one important bill where we compromised out of fear of anything other than the bill |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. much safer to only appear before the Business Roundtable |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. So true. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
37. Have they matured? Perhaps maturing to him means, accept the |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
40. DLC is running scared and for good reason. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. which is why I will only vote for Dems that are progressive & working in behalf |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
41. "mature" = accepting "grubby political compromises" that kill people. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
43. Calling people names is just so mature! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. Here are the other speakers, many pages. I know very few of them. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. Will PNAC Marshall has no right to tell any Democrat or Liberal what to think |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Hear, hear! |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Thank you for the reminder. Instead of spouting off he should be spending time with his family. nt |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
49. Guess what, Will Marshall. We're only Bloggers. We don't have to make grubby compromises |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. "It's our job to push them as hard as we can." |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
53. k&r |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
60. Have they matured?" Oh yes, demanding rights is soooo immature. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #60 |
74. That was the sentence that pissed me off too |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
63. Oh, really? And how many "grubby political compromises" did Bush make? |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 05:32 AM Response to Original message |
67. Kicking back to the top. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
70. kick |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
71. Say what you want about "liberal" (or whatever "WE" are called now)...... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
72. Politician |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
73. Arthur Davis lost his Primary. So why is he handing out advice? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
75. The weaklings speak! |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
77. The DLC is now the republicans of 1994 |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
78. "progressive Policy Institute"-- |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
79. "More Mature" means getting "real" and joining in on the corruption game |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
80. Right on! |
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theFrankFactor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
82. Gee, Nancy and Harry Were UNSTOPPABLE During the Bush Years! |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
83. THIS liberal is warning Democrats |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
85. Why do those we elect always ignore |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-10 03:27 AM Response to Original message |
86. I wonder what, exactly, |
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