FOX News and the MSM did not fire Sherrod.....the Administration did!!!

[KansasVoter]

I hate Fox News. I hate a lot of the MSM. But the great thing about them is that they do not hire and fire people that work for this administration.

This administration is the only person responsible for this firing. The MSM, and especially Fox News will always SUCK. And there is nothing we can do about that issue.

What we need is people spending more than 2 damn hours investigating things before they start reacting.

Hell, I have fired people before, for very low level positions, and I know we spend a lot more time discussing it than the Administration did on Sherrod.

[bluestateguy]

1. And an unrec....

nt

[KansasVoter]

3. And too cowardly to explain why!

[xultar]

You know why. I wouldn't have even addressed that post.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

85. I reced if for ya

I guess they are just following the cowardly lead of this administration.

[bobbolink]

23. Thank you for reminding me to recommend this thread.

Much appreciated.

[KansasVoter]

32. Thanks!!

[madokie]

33. same here

Thanks

[JuniperLea]

39. Thanks from me too!

Weird how so many DUers are in agreement with Fucks Gnus these days... curious.

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[ZombieHorde]

79. I have read and written several "that that" sentences,

but I think this is the first time I have read a "was was" sentence.

"Unless your OP about not knowing who Sherrod was was actually just a lie?"

Fun sentence.

[Forkboy]

82. I know, but I couldn't think of a better way to reword it.

I spent minutes trying to think of a better way, but then I had had enough. ;)

[ZombieHorde]

91. Good one. nt

[Bluebear]

80. And that is that.

My job here is finished. :)

[xultar]

2. REC. True. As a matter of fact I expect that shit from Faux. But the Obama

administration needs to quit bowing to those fucks.

[bobbolink]

28. LOL... I first read your words as....

"administration needs to quit blowing those fucks."

:rofl:

[KansasVoter]

54. At least stop believing them!

[tridim]

4. You forgot to call the admin "weak".

:spank:

[KansasVoter]

6. I called them stupid on this issue. What would you call them?

Blaming Fox is real easy. Hell, lets do that on all the issues.

[tridim]

8. I blame the people who lied.

[KansasVoter]

12. So if I can just publish a lie, then the Admin is ok if they blindly believe it? Wow, easy job!

[tridim]

22. You'll need a partisan media outlet in your back pocket first.

It's not easy to do what Faux and Breitbart did.

[KansasVoter]

29. And not difficult not fall for it!! It is not like they have been decent up to this point.

[Hannah Bell]

34. Office of the President has its own sources of information & intelligence, which are far

better than anything the public gets through the mainstream media.

The idea that the president's team is dependent on whatever info comes to them through the msm (esp fox), & makes decisions based solely on it, is silly.

[KansasVoter]

35. +1000

[Ignis]

52. We can rely on FAUX to lie. That's nothing new.

The troubling thing is the ill-considered response to their lies.

[tridim]

56. The information the WH relied on was from the NAACP, not the media.

[Hannah Bell]

58. Doubtful that the WH relies on any one source of information.

[tridim]

61. Probably, hopefully. But in this case they originally listened to the NAACP's opinion, not Faux's.

Period.

[Hannah Bell]

64. The Naacp's "opinion," per their own statement, was apparently based on fox news reports

without any independent review of the story:

In a statement released Tuesday afternoon, NAACP CEO Ben Jealous said that the organization had been "snookered" by conservative media:


"With regard to the initial media coverage of the resignation of USDA official Shirley Sherrod, we have come to the conclusion we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart into believing she had harmed white farmers because of racial bias.

Having reviewed the full tape, spoken to Ms. Sherrod, and most importantly heard the testimony of the white farmers mentioned in this story, we now believe the organization that edited the documents did so with the intention of deceiving millions of Americans."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100720/pl_yblog_upshot/naacp-retracts-criticism-of-resigned-usda-official

they didn't review tapes or check with the farmers, they just offered a useless "opinion" based on fox news reports? uh-huh, sure.

so such "opinion" is no different from just listening to fox.

i don't believe the naacp actually operates that way, nor do i believe the white house does.

it's a cover story to take the heat off the wh & deflect it to the naacp.

[Celebration]

60. Oh great

So they just do what the NAACP says?

That's comforting.

:sarcasm:

[tridim]

62. No, that's not what I said, and not what happened.

Do you have a problem with the NAACP and their opinions?

[Hannah Bell]

63. I have a problem with the WH relying on the opinion of any one organization, & I don't believe it

does or did.

nor do i believe that the naacp is so easily "snookered" as this statement would indicate, since its implication is that the naacp relied totally on fox news reports:

In a statement released Tuesday afternoon, NAACP CEO Ben Jealous said that the organization had been "snookered" by conservative media:

"With regard to the initial media coverage of the resignation of USDA official Shirley Sherrod, we have come to the conclusion we were snookered by Fox News and Tea Party Activist Andrew Breitbart into believing she had harmed white farmers because of racial bias.

Having reviewed the full tape, spoken to Ms. Sherrod, and most importantly heard the testimony of the white farmers mentioned in this story, we now believe the organization that edited the documents did so with the intention of deceiving millions of Americans."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100720/pl_yblog_upshot/naacp-retracts-criticism-of-resigned-usda-official


They gave their opinion to the WH based on fox news reports, & only later reviewed tapes & contacted the white farmers?

sure, that sounds credible.

[whathehell]

55. They're terribly "sensitive" to the disapproval of the Right, it seems...Gee, if only

they were that "sensitive" to the opinions of their BASE we might be waaay ahead of the game by now...It's as if they're ashamed to be democrats...It disgusts me.:thumbsdown:

[treestar]

87. In this case they did have something to do with it

Are you letting them off the hook?

[gratuitous]

13. I sure didn't see evidence of any strength or resolve

According to Sherrod Brown's report, she was getting pressure to quit because the story was going to be on Glenn Beck's show that night. Now, a strong administration would shrug and say, "Who gives a flying fuck what Glenn Beck has to say?" But the Obama administration was scared enough about it that they really put the screws to Brown to quit. I don't know if that's "weak," but I sure as shit wouldn't characterize it as "strong."

[bobbolink]

30. You are right. They are weak. Omission corrected.

[JuniperLea]

41. Unstrong and weak...

Get your insults straight, please!

:)

[Solomon]

90. LOL You beat me to it. The word is "unstrong".

LOL

[spiritual_gunfighter]

86. Okay I will call them weak then

The Obama administration was way fucking weak on this one!

[KingFlorez]

5. This is the last place to defend FOX News

I think the administration should been more careful, but FOX News is to blame for them being so hyper-defensive about everything.

[KansasVoter]

9. Hell, then lets just say Fox news controls everything. Makes an easy excuse!

[KingFlorez]

18. Where did I say any of that?

Those are your words. You can't absolve FOX News of any involvement in this.

[KansasVoter]

24. Fox News can lie all they want. It is our job not to fall for it.

[xultar]

10. I don't think the OP is defending Faux...just stating a cold hard fact.

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[BrklynLiberal]

11. Breitbart and FAUX NOISE are the manipulators. Gee...who are the manipulatees?

once again....

[Lil Missy]

14. Agreed. White house should be smarter than some jackass on faux news.

[xchrom]

15. In an era of rampant incompetence - no one

Ever wants to take reponsibility.

Including this admin.

[Whisp]

16. Obama is an unstrong weakling!!

argh, spit, grunt, flex, poops

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x382754

:rofl:

[KansasVoter]

21. If you are 100% OK with how they handled it then go for it. 100% blind support is a great trait!

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[KansasVoter]

36. Wow, clever and mature.

[Whisp]

46. thank you.

:toast:

[KansasVoter]

53. There is a story on Fox News now about Obama being a socialist.....

Maybe you should call the White House about it.

[superduperfarleft]

26. I'll see your unhinged sputter and raise you this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8784050&mesg_id=8785689

:rofl:

[spoony]

38. Lol

And that one can be entered in a slam poetry contest and read to bongo drums.

[superduperfarleft]

17. If Bush was "responsible" for the attorney firings, then Obama is "responsible" for this.

At the very least he needs to get control of his administration and make it clear that they are not here to please a constituency (the Fox/Beck/Breitbart crowd) that will hate him, not disagree with policy but actually HATE him, no matter what.

[KansasVoter]

37. Great point!!

[katandmoon]

19. K&R The administration showed its cowardly ass. It's scared shitless of Fox.

[msongs]

20. "..I welcome their hatred" - a good strategy for this day as well nt

[Better Today]

25. K & R

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. Sherrod was "collateral damage" sacrificed for political expediency in this administration.

[xultar]

40. +100

[Xenotime]

44. There you go.

[bobbolink]

47. ....

:cry: :grr: :cry:

[FarPoint]

42. I smell a GOP set-up

The Administration fell for it without hesitation.

[KansasVoter]

43. If that is true, then we are really, really stupid!

[NJmaverick]

45. Even the NAACP admits to getting "snookered" by the right wing liars

[KansasVoter]

51. So the NAACP is stupid also. My god people, why not wait a damn day to decide???

[treestar]

88. You know I bet you'd have fallen for it

If you were in that position. Too easy to say it was obvious from a keyboard, by someone with no responsibility.

[KittyWampus]

48. So you are happy stoking the flames and HELP THE RACE BAITING ASSHOLES

doesn't say much for you or the many other DU'ers who fall for the ratfucking republican crap constantly.

[KansasVoter]

49. Wow, are you lame.........

And it does not say much for an administration who would fall for a story from Fox News. You are proud of them for believing the story without doing ANY RESEARCH??? They you must be gullible as hell!

[bobbolink]

50. Ah, so Teddy Roosevelt welcomed flame-stoking, eh?

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

[frylock]

66. that whooshing sound you hear...

[madmom]

57. I think they acted so quickly because...

they have to work harder to prove they are not racist (because of all the tea bagger shit lately). It's the same thing as they say about women and other minorities having to WORK twice as hard to prove they are equal to everyone else. I think they are being hyper sensitive to all the racist criticism and were caught off guard on this.

[KansasVoter]

59. Maybe a good point........

I see what you mean. But I think that waiting a day would not have caused much more damage even if the story was 100% true. This 24 hour news scares them too much. Now it made it much worse by reacting too soon and giving Fox a whole other reason to ridicule us.

[glitch]

69. It would have taken an hour max to do the research.

The speech was at the NAACP, they had to have the video and transcript. One call, one file transfer, one reading/viewing. Done, rebuttal. That's even without hearing Sherrod's side.

They jumped because they don't want to make this administration about race. Good idea, but then that makes them extra vulnerable in that area to manipulators like Rove and Breitbart. Hence they will continually be race baiting this admin, it's win-win for them. If Obama does the research and defends Van Jones or Sherrod, he's accused of "favoring" blacks, IOW a racist. Just a "coincidence" that blacks are the ones being attacked.

Solution: all of his administration should know what they are doing and
NOT TAKE THE BAIT

edit: and use these attacks to point out how the far right lies. (ignoring race and turning the issue to all about far right lies. Best part, by defining the far right he can still be chums with the moderate right, should they ever resurface)

[bobbolink]

65. If they were "caught off guard", then the "other side" is much better at chess.

Yes, we all knew they would have to work harder.... and if Obama didn't understand that, he had no business running the race.

THAT does NOT excuse this.

Never.

[madmom]

70. I don't know if they are better at chess, but we all know they are better at sleaze. How could

the administration know of EVERY tactic they will try, every person they will attack? I agree they should have waited and not taken the word of "the other side" but I cannot see how they could/should know every move they will make.

[bobbolink]

71. LOL. This is the THIRD incident with the same M.O.

The ump says, "They're OUT!!"

[treestar]

89. +1

They are super sensitive to exactly this, no wonder it's where they made an error.

It's not that big an error anyway, they fixed it already.

[emilyg]

67. k/r

[LAGC]

68. K&R

We've got to be better than that.

[LuckyTheDog]

72. EVERYBODY makes mistakes

How you respond to them is what counts. The administration owned up to its error, apologized and offered to make things right.

Breitbart, on the other hand... not so much...

[KansasVoter]

75. I am saying do not blame the MSM

[jah the baptist]

73. and then did the right thing...the thing we all wanted

so lets contiue to crap on them because they and not the rw media are the enemy.

[EstimatedProphet]

74. Specifically Tom Vilsac (sp?) did

It may never have made it to Obama, if that's who you mean by "this administration".

[upi402]

76. Geithner, Summers, and Rahm have their gigs though

Whose side is Obama on?

Does she serve at the pleasure of the President, or Vilsuck?

[lib2DaBone]

77. After this fiasco.. I think I know where our public Option went....

It went the same place as the re-newal of Glass-Steegal and the Jobs Bill and the end of war in Afghanistan.

I hope we can hold on to our Social Security a little longer....

[mike r]

81. Sherrod: the only official ever fired because of the fear that Glenn Beck might go after her

Sherrod may be the only official ever dismissed because of the fear that Fox host Glenn Beck might go after her. As Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack tried to pressure her into resigning, Sherrod says Deputy Under Secretary Cheryl Cook called her Monday to say "do it, because you're going to be on 'Glenn Beck' tonight."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/21/AR2010072106708.html?hpid=topnews

[pecwae]

83. Shame to have to point out the obvious.

Thread after thread of celebrating lawsuits against Breitbart and FNC when it would have been more prudent and mature to quietly investigate fully before jumping to conclusions. If the administration hadn't panicked and been so easily manipulated none of this would be happening.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

84. Yep

Fox does what Fox does, that is never going to change. But they way the Obama administration reacts to this is what was the problem. Complete cowardice.