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Wed Jul-21-10 04:20 PM
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During Bush's term, did any official ever admit a mistake and publicly apologize? |
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Not that I recall.
That right there illustrates a major difference between us and them.
It is a sign of strength, not weakness, to publicly admit a mistake and ask for forgiveness.
It is reason #17254 why we're better than they are.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:21 PM
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1. If they had apologized would you quickly forgive them? |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:24 PM
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2. Depends on the situation... |
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And the actions after the words.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:26 PM
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I guess I agree. Lets see what happens next time Fox tries this. White house is 1 for 3 |
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They didn't apologize for Van Jones or for ACORN. Lets hope next time they stand up and actually fight, I kind of doubt it though.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:27 PM
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7. man, and i wish hope pray that they get on tv soon bringing up acorn and this to do. |
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and then going after fox. loudly, clearly. like obama had the balls to do once before. regardless of backlash.
doubt they will with the van jones story
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:31 PM
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It's time to lay it all out. They should dredge it all up, including Van Jones, and lay it all out with the evidence.
Alleged news organizations who lie... this is the problem.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:46 PM
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18. Why would the White House apologize over acorn? |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:47 PM
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20. I would think that if a group fights that hard for Obama atleast Obama would offer some defense |
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instead of throwing that group under the bus. Remember the defund ACORN bill? Didn't Obama sign that bill? After all, I'm sure you're more aware of what goes on inside the white house than any of us here do, isn't that right NJmaverick?
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:53 PM
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24. You are engaging in some serious hyperbole. It's one thing if the President actively went after |
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them, it's quite another to demand he take extraordinary measures on their behalf and claim he "threw them under the bus" if he doesn't
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Wed Jul-21-10 05:53 PM
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28. So he didn't sign the defund acorn bill? |
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Thu Jul-22-10 08:55 AM
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37. How come when you can't refute simple facts you always just leave the discussion |
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Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 09:01 AM by no limit
You can never come back and say "yeah, that was wrong of Obama to do". You just pretend like it never happened. Would admitting a fault this president has done interfere with your job?
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Thu Jul-22-10 09:30 AM
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38. Facts? You mean the fact that there never was a specific bill defunding ACORN |
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Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 09:34 AM by NJmaverick
bur rather it was part of a larger bill and so you were wrong to make the claims you made? Those facts?
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Thu Jul-22-10 09:43 AM
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39. A spending bill Obama could have easily vetoed to have this removed, he didnt even threaten to |
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How about as this bill was written? Could Obama have put pressure on congress to leave this section out? No, he was silent on the matter. Why? Because it wouldn't have been politically convinient even if it was the right thing to do.
Your excuses are bullshit.
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Thu Jul-22-10 09:50 AM
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40. Funny, why didn't you make that clear before? So the President would have had |
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to take the extraordinary measure of vetoing an important spending bill, which is EXACTLY what I said in the first place. It supports my assertion of your use of hyperbole. Maybe next time you will let sleeping dogs lie.
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Thu Jul-22-10 09:57 AM
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41. I see, so the president has absolutely no control over what these bills contain? |
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Edited on Thu Jul-22-10 10:00 AM by no limit
and in the interest of not having to take a stand he threw ACORN under the bus. Which is exactly what I said.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:25 PM
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3. he made a mistake. admitted the mistake. rectified to correct mistake. took responsibility for |
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Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 04:25 PM by seabeyond
mistake.
what is left?
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:26 PM
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6. Nothing is left as long as they don't make this same mistake again (this was the 3rd time) |
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ACORN, Van Jones, now this.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:28 PM
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8. i responded to your post above. agreed. nt |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:26 PM
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4. Republicans view admitting a mistake as weakness, so NO none |
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of them admitted any mistakes much less apologize for one! The only apology I recall from the Shrub era was Richard Clarke & he's not a Pub!
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:26 PM
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5. Hell, didn't Bush openly claim to be infallible a few times? (nt) |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:28 PM
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9. There was the dude who was shoplifting from Target. n/t |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:28 PM
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10. I can't remember bush apologizing for anything. |
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Remember when bush was asked at a press conference if he had ever made a mistake (as prez)? He stood and hemmed and hawed and couldn't think of a thing he did wrong. It is a republican policy never to admit a mistake. Ever!
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Wed Jul-21-10 05:59 PM
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:31 PM
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11. Ah...but you EXPECT Republicans to be RW assholes. |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:32 PM
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13. Did they ever fire someone on the word of a LW blogger? |
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Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 04:33 PM by Edweird
We obviously define 'strength' differently.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:38 PM
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15. ah, lying into two wars and all the innocent loss of life not nearly as significant? wtf? nt |
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Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 04:39 PM by seabeyond
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:47 PM
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19. Again, did they jump when anybody from the Left said 'boo!'? |
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Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 04:48 PM by Edweird
Why would a 'strong' administration care what their known liar political enemies put forth?
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:51 PM
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23. again.... op says, did bushco apologize for anything? again, there was a lot to apologize for that |
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had nothing to do with lw blog.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:56 PM
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26. And my response is a question. |
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That question is 'Did the Bush administration give a damn about what anybody on the Left said or thought?' This administration fired a good woman on the word of a known liar RW hack blogger. They did so without any investigation - when the truth was easy to obtain. The fired her in a cowardly and reprehensible manner. "Strength" would have resulted in none of this happening.
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Wed Jul-21-10 05:41 PM
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27. or one makes a mistake, owns it and changes course to correct the problem, ergo stronger. wtf? nt |
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Wed Jul-21-10 05:56 PM
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29. This is the 3rd time they made this mistake. The difference here is they finally owned up to this |
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because they had absolutely no excuse. But don't act like this didn't happen before on more than one occasion. And it's not only about the people they fired before because of Glenn Beck, it's about all those other times the white house freaks out every time right wing liars shout.
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Wed Jul-21-10 07:04 PM
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34. i am not "acting" like anything and we have already had this conversation above. nt |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:37 PM
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14. Rethugs don't believe in admitting their mistakes. Bush was the decider, and we were not |
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supposed to question him or anyone in his administration, remember?
Vilsack is not my favorite Dem ever but how quickly we forget the bullshit of the Bush administration.
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:39 PM
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16. yes, probably many times n/t |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:39 PM
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17. Rumsfeld apologized for Abu Ghraib, Bush for Walter Reed |
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Rice apologized for the Blackwater shootings in Iraq and to candidate Obama for the breach of his passport records.
That's all I could find in 5 minutes - do you want me to search some more?
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:50 PM
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22. Thanks for the reminder--what a godawful pack of murderous assholes they were. |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:49 PM
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21. Richard Clarke--but he was one of ours, really.... |
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Wed Jul-21-10 04:55 PM
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25. I actually recall Rumsfeld apologizing |
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I still think we're better though.
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Wed Jul-21-10 06:01 PM
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We aren't often in agreement these days, but I am happy to give you that 5th rec on this one.
But the real story here is that the real story, Breitbart's serial fraud, will be censored once again in favior of the usual Corporate M$M misdirecting script.
Of which focusing on the WH apology is the first step in the laundering of Breitbart's role in this.
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Wed Jul-21-10 06:39 PM
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32. keep lowering that bar.. |
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you're going to need a backhoe sometime soon.
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Wed Jul-21-10 06:40 PM
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33. Like my parents always said to me- |
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I don't care what they do, I care what you do.
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Wed Jul-21-10 10:33 PM
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35. Yup. The truth is the best narrative there is. |
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Wed Jul-21-10 10:35 PM
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36. I recall he had difficulty thinking of any regrets he might have...so, I'd say no.n/t |
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Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 10:36 PM by cynatnite
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