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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:29 PM
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Is Ken Feinberg still working with AFT's Weingarten to plan how better to fire teachers?
I notice that Kenneth Feinberg has decided to go easy on 17 banks that made "ill-advised" payments to their executives

For all his tough talk about excessive pay for bankers, the Obama administration's pay czar let the executives go without a fight.

Kenneth Feinberg announced Friday that he would not try to recoup $1.6 billion in compensation given to top executives at bailed-out banks because he thought shaming them was punishment enough.

His decision to go easy on 17 banks that made ''ill-advised'' payments to their executives will probably fuel concerns about how he will oversee the $20 billion oil-spill compensation fund created by BP.

''I'm not suggesting we should blink or turn the other cheek,'' Feinberg said in an interview with the Associated Press. ''These 17 companies were singled out for obviously bad behavior. The question is: At what point are you piling on and going beyond what is warranted?'


When I read this my mind at once went back to January of this year when AFT union leader, Randi Weingarten, announced that she had enlisted Obama's pay czar to help her figure out how best to evaluate and fire teachers. It seemed like a very unusual thing to do, since even tenured teachers can be fired for cause. It seemed like overkill...something that made it seem like getting rid of teachers would be an insurmountable obstacle.

Weingarten hires Ken Feinberg to help overhaul the teacher evaluation system.

Facing criticism that her union makes it too hard to get rid of bad teachers, Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, on Tuesday announced a union-backed effort to develop a new model for how public school teachers should be evaluated, promoted and removed.

The effort will be run by Kenneth R. Feinberg, the federal government’s special master for executive compensation.

In a speech at the National Press Club, Ms. Weingarten sought to present a more flexible, cooperative face for her union as she announced Mr. Feinberg’s new role and called for sweeping changes in how school districts evaluate teachers and work with teachers’ unions.


The article presents the usual rhetoric about how hard it is to fire bad teachers. Do you realize how much we have been hearing about bad teachers the last year and a half?

Here is more on Feinberg and Randi from the Schools Matter Blog.

Weingarten to hire Fed pay czar

Everyone who has followed Weingarten's ascendancy to her position as AFT President knew that she had been the pick of the Oligarchs. Her earlier sweet talk about gutting the teaching profession with pay per score plans had earned her the Business Roundtable's seal of approval, and now she is returning the favor by shifting her tepid endorsement of weakening ethical teaching into a full-blown advocacy for busting her own union. Randi Weingarten should be recalled by the AFT membership, and she should be put out to pasture with the other nags.

At a time when the greed merchants and uncharged felons of Wall Street burrow into the system once more to plan another financial catastrophe a few years hence, Obama's man in charge of deciding how many millions the CEO criminals should get has just been subcontracted out by Weingarten to create a plan to fire teachers for their "misconduct." The scourge of the nation--teacher misconduct!! Misconduct will surely include refusing to go along with educational genocide that is occurring in urban schools, where cognitive decapitation in segregated environments is the order of the day for the poor and the brown.


The blog quotes from Bob Herbert's article praising Weingarten's choice of Feinberg. I am stunned at this paragraph that is so untrue and so dismissive of teachers. I would have thought better of Herbert.

It is not uncommon for teachers to be observed in the classroom just a couple of times a year for only a few minutes each time and then get a satisfactory rating. Under those circumstances, hardly anything is learned about the quality or effectiveness of the teachers. Most teachers are routinely rated as satisfactory, and many are never evaluated at all.


He really fell for the whole bad teachers who are not evaluated propaganda that has been going around the last year or so.

Then Herbert points out that Feinberg is not going to "go into the tank for teachers' unions." Spare me the condescension, Mr. Herbert.

The union has asked Kenneth Feinberg, the federal government’s so-called pay czar, to develop a more efficient protocol for disciplining — and when necessary, removing — teachers accused of misconduct.

This would be a big deal. Mr. Feinberg is highly respected and widely viewed as independent. He administered the government fund that compensated those who were injured and the families of those who were killed in the Sept. 11 attacks. He also administered a fund set up in the wake of the mass shooting at Virginia Tech in 2007.

He is not the kind of guy to go into the tank for the teachers’ union. (John Ashcroft chose him to lead the 9/11 fund.).


So afraid that she would be criticized for harboring "bad" teachers? So fearful of criticism of her union? Or more.

It seemed odd that the president of the AFT considered herself and her union incapable of dealing with "bad" teachers. She called in Kenneth Feinberg, the federal government’s so-called pay czar, to develop a more efficient protocol for disciplining — and when necessary, removing — teachers accused of misconduct.

Really? Suddenly there are so many bad teachers that the federal "Special Master for Compensation" must be brought in to help the American Federation of Teachers sort out the bad guys faster?

Another hat for Feinberg to wear? How in the world does his title as "Special Master for Compensation" fit into the context of evaluating teachers?

He is going to let all the wealthy bankers off easily. I wonder if he is still working on all those "tough" standards for Randi and her teachers?

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:31 PM
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1. Great! Now he'll let teachers off, too, right?
:sarcasm:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:35 PM
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3. Just the thought of his lettiing all those teachers off easy....scary stuff.
:hi:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:31 PM
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2. I was unfamiliar with this guy until a few days ago
Edited on Sun Jul-25-10 02:34 PM by Blue_In_AK
(I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention), but after doing a little research I can't believe they've put him in charge of distribution of the BP escrow. Could they have found a more corporate toady?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:44 PM
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4. In charge of BP, in charge of planning how to evaluate teachers?
Lots of hats.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:24 PM
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8. Also Dalkon shield settlement
in which many women received less than $750 for permanent damage to their reproduction systems, not to mention Agent Orange and the World Trade Center cleanup workers. This guy is everywhere screwing the "small people."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:54 PM
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10. I did not realize all that. Now I really feel uncomfortable..
Why in the world would Weingarten choose him to form a plan for evaluating teachers? Not thinking good thoughts about this issue.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 04:16 PM
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11. If we're not forbidden from linking to the World Socialist Web Site
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:21 PM
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14. I think it is fine to link there.
Thanks for the articles.

:hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:48 PM
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15. Whoa.
x( Hopealicious.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 02:51 PM
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5. This is the same weirdo who caved on trying to get the Wall St bonuses back?!1 n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:07 PM
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6. Yes.
I have done some searching to see if he is still working on plans to evaluate teachers, and I can find nothing since January.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:14 PM
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7. k&r
sigh.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 03:26 PM
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9. Goddamn greedy teachers.
How dare they expect to be fairly compensated!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:17 AM
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18. AND...how is he qualified to decide how to evaluate teachers?
Everybody seems qualified now that they have dissed teachers so badly....it's scary.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 01:09 AM
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20. He's qualified because he went to school.
That makes everyone an expert!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 04:07 PM
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30. he's a professional mediator
it's his job to examine issues and find a fair solution. he may, or may not, be any good at it, but there are few people with more experience at doing so.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:14 PM
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32. But how does he factor in the those little human beings called children?
Or does he?

Does Randi? I wonder.

The "reformers" are in it for profit, not for the children. They only claim to be interested.

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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 05:25 PM
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12. K&R
Edited on Sun Jul-25-10 05:28 PM by femmocrat
How did Randi Weingarten become AFT's president anyhow? And why is she so intent on having people with no background in education evaluate teachers???

Check out this link for more on Weingarten and Bill Gates: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x550207
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 05:32 PM
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13. Oh boy..the GREAT SHAMING Chess game!!!!!!!!!!!!
what a fucking joke..but the joke is all on us!! With our money!

What a scam!
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:52 PM
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16. As far as the bonuses were concerned, I don't think Feinberg actually had any authority to mandate
that the bonuses be returned.

He could "negotiate" with the bankers, but a negotiation is only successful if both parties see a greater reward in coming to an agreement than not coming to an agreement. I don't know of any reason why banks would simply not agree to anything, since I don't think the the law had any consequence for not agreeing to anything. (I could be wrong about the law though.)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:55 PM
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17. I am just concerned that he is playing such a huge role....
in evaluating teachers. As far as I can see in his bio there is no experience with teachers and classrooms.

They are leaving the educators out of the picture in forming the new ways to fire teachers.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:24 AM
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19. K & R nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:37 AM
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21. Still trying to find more about his role in evaluating teachers.
I have done searches several ways and several times this morning, and nothing pops up since January when Weingarten appointed him, or hired him, or whatever.

The punitive atmosphere toward teachers is alarming many of us, and it seems to have started with Arne. I wonder if Feinberg has played a role in that this year or not.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:00 PM
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22. Bob Herbert: "a more efficient protocol" for disciplining teachers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/opinion/12herbert.html?_r=1

This statement shows the contempt in which Herbert holds public school teachers. Reagan's propaganda is coming to the forefront now. Everybody's piling on.

"The union has asked Kenneth Feinberg, the federal government’s so-called pay czar, to develop a more efficient protocol for disciplining — and when necessary, removing — teachers accused of misconduct."


Even the union head is quoted in that article as saying there should be no due process when it becomes a burden??? Really?

"While emphasizing the need for due process, she bluntly asserts, in a draft of her speech: “We recognize, however, that too often due process can become a glacial process. We intend to change that.”

So a union head and major columnist are advocating doing away with "due process."

Notice there is little mention of holding the students or parents accountable. Little mention of the poverty that shapes so many students' lives and which has been proven to be a major factor in school failures.

Just the bad old teachers. I think it is wrong for this climate to exist where teachers are considered fair game for anyone....even union leaders. I think the climate could be fixed quickly if this administration cared about it.

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:07 PM
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23. K&R didn't he want to eliminate union seniority rules recently?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:13 PM
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24. Well, everybody wants to elimnate tenure for teachers...so probably he does also.
That's the main goal right now. Get rid of those experienced teachers who cost so much so we can hire "cheaper" ones through companies like TFA and New Teacher Project....who are trained in the ways of education future think.

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:42 PM
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25. i was confusing him w/ nyc's mr. klein:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:58 PM
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27. Klein and charter head Moskowitz...they are this close. :)
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5748

All she has to do is ask him for a public school building in which to settle, and it is hers.

Yes, Klein and Bloomberg are fixing NYC schools forever.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:46 PM
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26. The things Randi mentioned we have been graded on for many years.
In her speech when she said evaluations weren't strong enough....I read this paragraph and wanted to scream. We were evaluated on every one of those things even before I retired.

"In some states, teachers have been criticized for opposing the use of student test scores to evaluate teachers. Ms. Weingarten said she was receptive to that, but she added that many other factors should be used, including classroom observations, portfolio reviews, self-evaluations, appraisals of lesson plans, as well as students’ written work, projects and presentations."

How the hell have we teachers allowed them to spin like this. My lesson plans were graded weekly, portfolios checked frequently, observations...all the time.

We are so lazy to have allowed them such spin. Someone should have called Weingarten out on this statement in January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/education/13teacher.html?ref=american_federation_of_teachers
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 03:52 PM
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28. I had no idea, so when are the teachers going to get rid of Weingarten?
I am not familiar with their procedures, but come on. The schmuck Feinberg who thought 1.6 BILLION dollars equated with public shame from people
who proved themselves to have no conscience, is going to "help" Weingarten and teachers??

This is getting surreal.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 04:06 PM
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29. I have to say
that I taught for three years in public schools (in LA and DC) and was evaluated, formally, three times. for twenty minutes a pop. I had a week's notice before each, was allowed to choose the time and subject (it was elementary school) I have a friend who is tenured in DC and she hasn't been evaluated in five years in class. she's judged on test scores alone these days.

how to evaluate teachers is a very difficult problem. what do you judge them on? lesson plans? test scores? promotion of students? discipline? is a teacher who takes a student from the 20th percentile to the 50th a better teacher than the one who takes a student from the 60th to the 70th (and therefore to a passing score?) how do you evaluate someone who's effects may not be noticeable for several years? it's not just about getting rid of bad teachers (and we all know there are bad teachers both in public and private schools. c'mon now, there are bad dentists and lawyers, why not bad teachers?) but also about rewarding those who exceed (everyone else gets financial rewards for being better than the norm, right? I get a bonus if I outperform my colleagues, as well as if we all outperform together, so why not my mom the teacher?) how do you do this in a perfectly subjective world, where the playing field is completely uneven? you want your best teachers in the places that have the worst starting lines for kids, right? so how do you make that happen?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 04:18 PM
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31. Grounds for removal---too close to getting a pension.
This is all about cheating teachers of their pensions.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 06:55 PM
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33. Criticizing your union in public like this is worse than voting Republican
it's aiding and abetting union busting. This OP is sick beyond belief.

If I wanted anyone having input into how employees are disciplined, I would want it to be the union.
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