'Anti-Islamic' bus ads appear in major cities

[marmar]

from the Christian Science Monitor:



San Francisco

The growing debate over Islam's place in America, which is escalating in light of plans to build a mosque near ground zero, is increasingly playing out on city streets across the country. On the sides of buses, to be precise.

Several groups are engaging in something of a religious ad war over the merits and misconceptions of Islam, a religion that remains a mystery to many Americans.

Ads by a group calling itself Stop Islamization of America, which aims to provide refuge for former Muslims, read: "Fatwa on your head? Is your family or community threatening you? Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get answers!"

Those ads, appearing on dozens of buses in the San Francisco Bay Area, Miami, and New York, are a response to ones from a Muslim group that say, "The way of life of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Islam. Got questions? Get answers."

In New York, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community sponsored this campaign: "Muslims for Peace. Love for All – Hatred for None."

The ads are part of a larger conversation over Islam's image, which Muslim organizations say has been hurt by extremists both at home and abroad. But many conservative groups say that concern about the spread of Islam isn't alarmist, pointing to evidence of imams in this country inciting militancy and a growing number of American Muslims arrested for plotting terror attacks.

....(snip)....

The campaign has whipped up controversy in several cities. In Detroit, which has one of the highest Muslim populations in the country, Geller sued the SMART transit agency in federal district court after it rejected the ads.

In the Bay Area, more than 125 religious leaders of various faiths signed a statement in July denouncing the ads as "Islamophobic" and saying they "promote fear of Muslim Americans." ..........(more)


The complete piece is at: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0728/Anti-Islamic-bus-ads-appear-in-major-cities

[uppityperson]

1. Good grief, some people are assholes aren't they?

[msongs]

2. when muslims/christians recruit they must expect such opposition nt

[uppityperson]

21. Giving information "Got questions? Get answers." is recruiting?

No wonder there is so much trouble in the world when trying to counter all the rabidly hateful crap about a group you belong to is called "recruiting".

"Muslims for Peace. Love for All – Hatred for None." Nope, still don't see the recruiting bit.

[customerserviceguy]

3. The language used here

is NOT your standard garden variety hate speech, it's aimed at those oppressed by the darker side of the Islamic religion.

Would anyone here have the same feelings about a bus sign that said, "Persecuted by your pastor because you're gay? Is your fundamentalist family treating you like a second-class citizen because you're a woman? Dumping Christianity? Got questions? Get answers!"

[marmar]

4. Sorry, but a group called Stop Islamazation of America doesn't hold the most noble of intentions.

nt

[customerserviceguy]

6. Hey, I'm for stopping the further establishment of any religion

Islam is just near the top of my personal list.

Let's face it, to be an Islamist, you need to be committed to the idea that women are trash, and that you'll do any damn thing that a fatwa-issuing mullah orders. Even the vast majority of mainline Protestants don't go for that foolishness, although there are some reich winger evangelical types who do.

We have enough religious fundies in this country. No matter what this group calls themselves, their aim is to free people from the oppression of religion, and that's progressive, in my opinion.

[bring_em_home_bush]

7. delete

dupe

[bring_em_home_bush]

8. Positively breath-taking ignorance and bigotry

What the fuck is an "Islamist?" Do you mean a Muslim? Do you know how many billions of people practice that religion around the world, and in how many different forms that don't include "commitment to the idea that women are trash," etc.?

Better read up on your Bible to see what the Old Testament had to say about women. Oh, and St. Paul, too, while you're at it.

"Islamist" is commonly used by neocons and rightwingers, however, JFYI. HTH.

[customerserviceguy]

11. Islamist, Muslim, you know what I meant

And not all Christians believe that women are inferior, either. But I'd cheer anyone on who wants to help people free themselves from either fundamental Islam, fundamental Christianity, or fundamental Judaism, for that matter.

[bring_em_home_bush]

25. No, I don't know what you meant, because you were incorrect

"Islamist" is a neocon scare word.

[EOTE]

29. So is "welfare". I guess that means that "welfare" doesn't exist, huh?

Just because you don't like a word doesn't make it illegitimate. How very 1984 of you.

[bring_em_home_bush]

30. I can't help it if words have actual meanings and definitions

that are readily available through investing a modicum of effort in their investigation. Google is your friend, if you have no other education in these matters.

"Muslim" is one who practices the religion of Islam.

"Islamist" is a member of a fundamentalist religious movement on one level, such as fundamentalist Christianity. "Islamism" as defined by neocons is a scary world-wide conspiracy coming to stuff your daughters into burkas.

[EOTE]

33. Comprehension problems?

That would be a firm 'yes'. I'm dumbfounded by your lack of ability to comprehend. In one post, you say "What the fuck is an Islamist?", now you seem to suggest you're an expert on the term. What you responded to was my assertion that it's a legitimate term. The fact that you took the time to look it up for yourself should clue you in to the fact that you were speaking out of your ass.

[bring_em_home_bush]

35. It is not a "legitimate term" for any and all Muslims

Any more than "Christianist" is a "legitimate term" for any and all Christians.

Your post then degenerates into a personal insult, because apparently all of your own information emanates from your anal orifice.

[EOTE]

37. Who the fuck said it was? I said it was simply a legitimate term.

And in this particular instance, far MORE appropriate than using the term Muslim. You're the one who suggested that Islamist was not appropriate to use to describe Muslims who hate women. Apparently YOU are the one who thinks that all Muslims hate women because you prefer they be broad brushed, rather than using the more appropriate term for FUNDAMENTALIST (Orthodox) Muslims. Apparently you have something against using appropriate words. Big Brother, is that you? Really man, get a fucking clue.

[bring_em_home_bush]

39. No, because my first point was that the poster was deliberately broad brushing

Jesus H. Christ, he did it again with his "Islamist, Muslim," you know what I mean followup.

Since you don't have any links, let me help:

"An Islamic revivalist movement, often characterized by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Islamist

For comparisons, see also Christian Reconstructionism and Dominionism.

Then the point becomes, yes, how are words used to deliberately shape perception, particularly by neocons and bigots? You accuse me of Orwellianism and you really don't see how calling all Muslims "Islamists" is no different than deliberately reshaping "Democratic" into "Democrat" Party?

[EOTE]

43. Yes, those very Islamists are the ones who hate women.

Just like fundamentalist christians hate women, homosexuals and others here. It's by far the most appropriate word to use and you have a problem with it. The lights are on, but nobodies home. Dim. And that's being charitable.

[bring_em_home_bush]

45. So you are saying that all Muslims are Islamists? Like the other dude?

Just trying to clarify your own broad-brushing. Your lights were never even on. And that is not meant to be "charitable" at all.

[EOTE]

49. No, I'm saying that you've failed the game of life.

Most five year olds have a basic grasp of logic, but it's completely missed you. Here, I'll quote you once again "What the fuck is an Islamist"? You even felt the need to put the word in quotes. I was kind and provided you a definition. Apparently you still haven't quite figured out whether the word is genuine or not. Good bye.

[bring_em_home_bush]

53. And continued, "Do you mean a Muslim?"

since you're quoting me, and all.

You provided me with nothing but your own definition, what YOU think it means. I provided you with multiple links, including the actual definition.

You got nuthin at all in the way of sources or evidence to post in response, so no surprise you are beating a hasty retreat.

[EOTE]

54. Are you for fucking real?

Here, here's your fucking link. The link that once again shows "An Orthodox Muslim" as one of the definitions of Islamist. For fuck's sake, I would have thought with all your talk of google that you'd at least try it once for yourself.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Islamist

[bring_em_home_bush]

58. There are multiple definitions, but in the twenty-first century context

It is an evangelical movement based on orthodoxy -- again, like Dominionism. Which is why, you know, that whole bit about revivalism and whatnot is the primary definition.

You did happen to see the one about Islamic scholar, too, right?

All I objected to was the use of the term to describe ALL MUSLIMS. Holy fucking christ.

[EOTE]

59. Do you know the difference between a person and a movement?

When the poster was talking about what it takes for a person to be an Islamist, he was obviously referring to the person, not a movement. In his usage, it's quite clear that he's referring to a fundamentalist Muslim. If what you were objecting to was the broad brush, then you sure as hell shouldn't have responded to my post, because I did nothing of the sort. I simply told you that it was a legitimate word and it means an orthodox Muslim. You told me I was wrong. You were wrong. Get it?

[bring_em_home_bush]

61. No, his useage was quite clear that he was NOT referring to a subgroup

But the entire group. TWICE.

I told you that it was not a legitimate term as he was using it.

[EOTE]

63. Here's what I was referring to...

"Let's face it, to be an Islamist, you need to be committed to the idea that women are trash, and that you'll do any damn thing that a fatwa-issuing mullah orders. Even the vast majority of mainline Protestants don't go for that foolishness, although there are some reich winger evangelical types who do."

Makes absolute sense to me. He used the word Islamist when Muslim would have been inappropriate. You had a problem with that usage. I then informed you that its usage was legitimate. What's not to understand here?

[bring_em_home_bush]

65. No, he used the word "Islamist" meaning all Muslims cause he didn't know any better

Or what do you think his subsequent comment that "Islamist, Muslim" all the same actually meant?

Good fucking god.

[EOTE]

66. Did I even respond to that fucking post?

No! I started responding to your post before that one was even written. And I'm not going to use my great divining powers to decipher what he meant, I prefer to look at his actual fucking words. You may have an issue with the way he used the word, but that wasn't what my fucking post was about. Christ!

[bring_em_home_bush]

68. His words, like yours, stand for themselves

He did not have the faintest hint of a clue what an "Islamist" was, and used it to tar all Muslims with fatwa-worshipping women haters.

[EOTE]

55. Do you see that? Do you finally see?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Islamist

See the word "Fundamentalist" there? We ARE talking about the noun form of the word. Was it really that difficult?

[Kalyke]

42. But Islamist isn't a word.

It's a word only in the minds of the GOP - kind of like "Democrat" as in "Democrat Party" is a legitimate adjective to these folks, but isn't a true adjective.

The correct term to describe someone who follows the Islamic faith is Muslim. Period.

[EOTE]

44. You are wrong.

Not only is it included in dictionaries, but the word was used in theological circles WELL before 9/11. According to your logic, there can't be fundamentalist christians, only christians. Because a christian is someone who follows the tenets of christianity. There are no different levels of adherence. No one who follows the Koran as a completely literal document and others who believe it's more of a guide. Nope, according to you, everyone has the same level of adherence to a religion. How about you check a freaking dictionary?

[bring_em_home_bush]

46. I posted the dictionary defintion for you

I guess you didn't like it.

[EOTE]

48. How the fuck can you post a dictionary definition to a word that's not even legitimate?

You know, like 'genuine'. There's so much dissonance in your head that you can't even think straight.

[bring_em_home_bush]

50. You are so disingenuous

I never said it wasn't a word. I said it wasn't the appropriate word to use to describe all Muslims, as the poster who originally started this sub-thread did. TWICE.

[EOTE]

52. Who the fuck said it was an appropriate term to describe all Muslims?

I sure as fuck didn't. Jesus, if you need to visit fantasy land to bolster your argument, you need to go back to school.

[bring_em_home_bush]

56. The guy who started this sub-thread conflated the words - TWICE

then you jumped in to start insulting me. If you agree that using the word "Islamist" to describe all Muslims is no more appropriate than using the word "Fundie" to describe all Christians, then I think we are on the same page.

[EOTE]

57. I never advocated for the conflation of the word.

In fact, I think the word originally used "Islamist", was far more appropriate and he shouldn't have backed off from its use. It was YOU who said that word shouldn't be used. When I told you that the word "Islamist" is, in fact, a legitimate term and it means a fundamentalist Muslim, you told me I was wrong. I wasn't wrong. You were.

[bring_em_home_bush]

60. So you do think his hatemongering broadbrushing was appropriate

I quote:

"Islam is just near the top of my personal list.

Let's face it, to be an Islamist, you need to be committed to the idea that women are trash, and that you'll do any damn thing that a fatwa-issuing mullah orders. Even the vast majority of mainline Protestants don't go for that foolishness, although there are some reich winger evangelical types who do."

He starts out by saying how Islam is near the top of his list of really really bad religions. Then he goes on to say, "let's face it, to be a "Islamist" (BY WHICH HE CLEARLY MEANS A MUSLIM) you have to believe in a bunch of really mean stuff.

Then, he doubled down -- "Muslim, Islamist, you know what I mean."

Thanks for clarifying that you agreed with him.

[EOTE]

62. I think some of that is certainly appropriate.

Especially this part: "Let's face it, to be an Islamist, you need to be committed to the idea that women are trash, and that you'll do any damn thing that a fatwa-issuing mullah orders. Even the vast majority of mainline Protestants don't go for that foolishness, although there are some reich winger evangelical types who do."

I think that's pretty damned on the spot. I think the same thing can be said about fundamentalist christians here. That's part of why I think it's much better to use the term "Islamist" here than the word "Muslim". I think by using the word "Muslim", you'd be doing far more of a broad brush. Like that poster, I think pretty much all religion sucks. Some suck far more than others. Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims certainly suck a lot more than most of the rest.

As for "Muslim, Islamist", well, I certainly disagree with that conflation, but then again, that wasn't what I was responding to. What I was responding to was you suggesting that somehow Islamist isn't a legitimate term.

[bring_em_home_bush]

67. He didn't mean "Islamist," he meant Muslim -- HE SAID SO HIMSELF

and by doing so claimed that one billion people on this earth practice a horrible evil eligion he considers superduper bad especially to us poor, poor women.

It's the same ignorance displayed by rightwingers and deliberately fostered by neocons and needed to be challenged.

[EOTE]

70. You absolutely can't be for real.

LISTEN, I'm only going to tell you this one more fucking time. I WASN'T responding to that post? Comprende? The fact that you need to use such deception to try and prove your point means that you've failed. You can't argue your way out of a box so you need to make shit up. It's really pathetic.

[bring_em_home_bush]

75. Uh, that's right -- you weren't responding to that post, I was!

Then you responded to me. And I responded back. Comprende? You do??? Because I sure as hell don't.

Best go have a little nap now, junior.

[EOTE]

76. I think you've begun arguing with yourself now.

I'm quite well rested, thanks.

[bring_em_home_bush]

77. I think you never knew who I was arguing with at all

but it is clear that fundamentally, you agree with them.

Ciao.

[EOTE]

78. I hope you never find yourself in one of those fundamentalist countries.

Especially if you're accustomed to leaving parts of your body exposed other than your eyes. You might find out that these Islamists are not as enlightened as you believe them to be.

[bring_em_home_bush]

80. I hope that you do find yourself one day in a Muslim country

and learn that not all of them are Islamists.

[EOTE]

82. I got to spend some time in Turkey, the only Muslim Democracy.

It's quite a nice country. Even spent some time with an exchange student from Ankara, very nice girl. I'm afraid you'll have to point to where exactly I said that every citizen of a Muslim country is an Islamist, though. I'm afraid you've propped up yet another straw-man.

[bring_em_home_bush]

83. Too busy burning yours, sorry

glad you will concede that in fact, "Islamist" does not mean "Muslim."

Thanks!

[EOTE]

84. Comprehension problems again?

You've consistently accused me of conflating the two terms when I've done nothing of the sort. You've failed miserably at any attempt at debate. You're very welcome to point out just where I've said that the two words mean the same thing. On the contrary, I've explained how the words differ from the very first post I made in this thread. You, however, have said several times that the word "Islamist" isn't a legitimate one. You are very, very wrong. And you trying to suggest I've said things, when in fact I've said the opposite, doesn't do anything to bolster your case. I can't very well concede I shouldn't have said something when I never said it to begin with. So, due to you constantly putting words in my mouth, I can assume one of two things. You're either mentally unstable, or you're extremely intellectually dishonest. You're free to tell me which one it is.

[EOTE]

15. Islamist is a legitimate term.

An Islamist is an orthodox Muslim.

And are you trying to say that other religions also can treat women like trash? You bet they do and they should be condemned for it as well.

Basically, the zealots of all religions are a dangerous bunch.

[bring_em_home_bush]

24. No, it goddamned well is not

Technically, it's an Islamic fundamentalist movement, and in that respect identical to the Christian Recconstructionists who are fighting to impose "Biblical Law" right here in the U.S.

Primarily and on every neocon and rightwing hate site, it is a political term used by scaremongers who believe in some vast "Islamist" political conspiracy to take over the world and force us all into "Sharia Law!!111!"

C.f., Daniel Pipes, slimeball Muslim hatemonger extraordinaire:

The word "Islamism" is highly appropriate, for this is an "-ism" like other "-isms" such as fascism and nationalism. Islamism turns the bits and pieces within Islam that deal with politics, economics, and military affairs into a sustained and systematic program.

http://www.danielpipes.org/954/distinguishing-between-islam-and-islamism

Anyone can google this word and see where, when, and how it is actually used. It is a neocon term of art.

[EOTE]

26. So I guess that "Democrat" isn't a legitimate term either?

Because right wing sites use that term to denigrate "Democratic" politicians all the time? Just because someone you don't like uses a word that you don't like doesn't mean that this word isn't a legitimate one. Give me a break.

[bring_em_home_bush]

27. I'm saying do some basic research, because you are wrong

it's as simple as that.

[EOTE]

28. Some simple research should tell you that "Islamist" is a legitimate term.

You know, because it's in the dictionary and all. You know, because its literal definition is "Orthodox Muslim". I'd have thought you could do some simple research so you could appear far less foolish, but you've chosen not to. It's as simple as that.

[bring_em_home_bush]

31. oh, you got to the first page of the Google results, I see

but somehow missed all the actual definitions.

[EOTE]

32. How about the dictionary definition?

You know "an orthodox muslim". I guess according to your logic, because google provides more than one page of results, it must not be a legitimate term. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bring_em_home_bush]

36. Well, I knew you had no information base other than Google

So go ahead, post your link.

I know it would be too much work to dig a little deeper than dictionary definitions.

[EOTE]

38. You're the one who needed to google it to get the definition.

I've known that the term "Islamist" is a legitimate one well before my college years. You're the one with so incredibly little intellect that you think the word doesn't have an appropriate use. I really don't need to post any link to prove that you're an unthinking individual. You've done that quite well yourself.

[bring_em_home_bush]

40. Because you don't have any evidence to back up your points

simple.as.that.

[EOTE]

41. Evidence? You even admitted yourself it's a fucking word.

What kind of fucked up game are you playing? You can't be this dim. Perhaps you are.

[bring_em_home_bush]

47. I said it was not a legitimate term for all Muslims

What kind of fucked-up game are you playing? Why do you keep insulting my intellect (which is really hilarious for any number of reasons) instead of posting something, anything, to back up your points?

[EOTE]

51. No, you said it wasn't a legitimate term PERIOD.

Comprende? I said it was a legitimate term (not for all Muslims, you dullard, just a legitimate term) and you scream to me that it's not legitimate at all. If you need to build up straw men to have a legitimate argument, you've failed. Stop making shit up.

[bring_em_home_bush]

64. You stop making shit up

I ought to start alerting on your posts, because you have broken DU rules regarding personal attacks repeatedly. But they stand for themselves, and reveal you very well.

I said it was not a legitimate term as he was using it, provided the modern definition, and continued to explain how it is typically used by neocons and rightwingers today.

[EOTE]

69. Allow me to quote you once again.

Me: "Islamist is a legitimate term"
You: "No it's fucking not!"

Notice how in my post I never said a fucking thing about how the poster used the word, I simply told you it was a legitimate word and provided you with a legitimate definition. You, in turn, responded that it's not a legitimate word. Is that clear? Of course it isn't. Spelling things out for you isn't good enough.

[bring_em_home_bush]

71. I concede I should have said, it's not a legitimate term to describe all Muslims

I tend to react somewhat badly to words used almost exclusively by bigots and neocons like Daniel Pipes.

[EOTE]

74. And I will concede that I wasn't responding to what you "should have said".

Good day.

[jberryhill]

10. There is a rising tide of hate being fed

and hate is not progressive.

Sowing division and mistrust is not progressive.

Seeking understanding and common ground is.

[customerserviceguy]

12. How about throwing a lifeline to those who have been the victims

of religious fundamentalism? Is that hate, or love?

[jberryhill]

19. Signs on buses don't do that

Here's the way this works.

You go over to Freepville and you will see headline after headline of "Illegal Alien Commits Crime X".

Dozens and dozens of threads like that there.

Do I support anyone who commits any sort of crime? No.

But that's not why those threads are there, is it? No, it's not.

Roughly a quarter of the world's population is Muslim. No, you are not going to convince me that everyday Muslims are either more or less prone to any human failing than any other group of folks.

Nobody is buying bus advertisements to "throw a lifeline" to children who have been abused by Catholic priests, now are they?

It's a rhetorical game, and it is simply pot stirring.

[blondeatlast]

23. Excellent response; outstanding example.

:applause:

[JerseygirlCT]

18. +1 nt

[a la izquierda]

13. What, exactly, is an Islamist?

Would that be a terrorist? A regular Muslim?

If you believe an Islamist is synonymous with Muslim, I will be sure to pass along this information to my Persian and Lebanese girlfriends, who, *shock* don't wear headscarves of any kind and live by themselves. Oh, and whose fathers and brothers don't beat them.

But maybe you just mean terrorist.

[customerserviceguy]

14. I consider all religion a form of terror

It's just the degree that makes the difference between a Presbyterian and an evangelical, or a moderate Muslim and a Taliban.

It's a mindfuck, and this particular signage is designed to reach out to people who have been screwed over the most. I really don't care if some Muslims are offended because they're reminded that their religion contains those who would stone a woman to death because of a false accusation of adultery, any more than I care if my extreme dislike for Pat Robertson offends my friends who are Episcopalians.

[jberryhill]

20. I consider anyone who thinks themselves to be superior to others to be unsettling

Period.

But we really don't get anywhere by namecalling.

Blowing up bridges is a whole lot easier than building them.

What you dislike about these groups is a function of how people of all kinds behave poorly.

[customerserviceguy]

85. We do it here every day

Don't we consider ourselves superior to the idiots who vote Repuke, even though they're not rich enough to really warrant it?

In any case, it's hypocritical to rightly put down Christian fundamentalism, yet excuse Muslim fundamentalism.

[a la izquierda]

79. i feel sorry for you.

i don't have religion. but i sure as hell don't believe my Muslim friends are terrorized because of their faith. and all of them think there are aspects of their religion that are totally wrong.

[customerserviceguy]

86. How do you feel about your Christian friends?

Do you watch them do things like abstain from drinking or sex outside marriage, or suffer from guilt trips over meaningless observance (or non-observance) of rituals?

Just because Islam is a minority religion in this country doesn't give it a pass from me.

[a la izquierda]

88. You sound like an angry, scared person.

I live in Okla-freakin'-homa. Okay? The Bible Belt. Home of folks who can be intolerant of others beliefs. People are intolerant of me because of how I look, but it isn't because of religion. I grew up in NJ, where I was taught to be tolerant of all peoples, religions, colors, etc.
I DETEST people who would make 9/11 into some kind of political or religious issue. Those who do are misguided and bent by an ideology of fear. I grew up seeing the Towers every day of my life. I could care less if a mosque, temple and 20 different denominations' churches were built on top of the site. It would make more sense than some god-damned "freedom tower".
Like I said, I was raised Catholic. I don't miss a minute of sleep about missing man-made rituals. If you're a bigoted person, you should not ask me the time of day, regardless of your faith or political ideology.
Hate and intolerance are republican ideas They're not even conservative ones.
If you don't want to give Islam "a pass," that is YOUR problem.

[EOTE]

16. An Islamist is an orthodox Muslim. NT.

[a la izquierda]

81. Um, I'm guessing you posted some kind of...

link to this definition of yours upthread.
however, it screams right-wing to me (not at all suggesting that you are). it sounds like a Fox News word.

[JerseygirlCT]

17. Is that how you're defining "Islamist"?

How do you define "Muslim". I'm assuming differently.

Because if you are not, the description you provide certainly does not include a good many Muslims in this country - just repeats a lot of stereotypes.

[Scurrilous]

5. Mission Accomplished!

FBI, Arlington TX police investigate allegations of arson, hate graffiti and racial slurs at mosque

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8843408

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. The article did not list Arlington, TX as one of the cities where the ads are running

[Wednesdays]

9. "In Detroit, which has one of the highest Muslim populations in the country..."

I wonder what it is that makes Detroit muslims so high? :smoke:

[Lance_Boyle]

22. Good - now where are the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish ads?

Poking other people's imaginary friends should be a respected pastime here in the land of the free, where no silly superstitious nonsense is above questioning. I trust we'll be seeing the anti-Jewish ads on buses in Brooklyn shortly, and then the anti-Christian ones around Dallas. </idealworld>

[spanone]

34. i guess the constitution only applies to christians, eh?

[Greyhound]

73. "A pox on both your houses" n/t

[nemo137]

87. Pamella Geller, the woman behind this, is a well known "anti-jihadist."

It's always amazing to me how a Jewish anti-jihadist can take classic antisemitic tropes, change the religion of the bad guys, and claim to be defending religious liberty. She also spend some time during the election trying to convince people that Obama was the love child of Malcolm X.

I would say that these ads aren't in the best of faith.