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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:06 PM
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Existential Psychosis, Peace, & War
“I myself have no power. It's the people behind me who have the power. Real power comes only from the Creator. It's in His hands. But if you're asking about strength, not power, then I can say that the greatest strength is gentleness.”
--Tadodaho Leon Shenandoah



This photo is one that my cousin (D.U.er “Mr. Baggins) took of Uncle Leon the day that the NYS Museum & Department of Education returned a number of wampum belts to Onondaga. It was a very pleasant day, with people from many backgrounds uniting for a ceremony in the Long House. Although there were many people from various walks of life gathered together, we were of one mind: the common good of all, including respect for those different from ourselves. Members of many of the Tribes of Human-Kind, with different histories, yet a common Human Future.

The atmosphere on this forum, in the past 24 to 48 hours, has been largely the opposite. Arguments, bitterness, and insults are precipitating growing divides here.

The belt that Leon is looking at is ancient. It details the teachings of a Susquehannock man named Hiawatha, who was born on what we know today as Three Mile Island. In the 1930s, an anthropologist from Cornell University who heard of this requested that a group of Elders from Onondaga travel to that island with him, to explain the significance of this site.

The belt, which represents the Second Message ( Sapling was approximately 2400 bc, and the Peace Maker's message about 400 ad; this was 900 ad), shows the five nations of the original Haudenosaunee, or Iroquois Confederacy. In the middle, representing Onondaga, is the image of a White Pine tree. If you look closely, you'll note it also represents a Jack's Reef pentagonal projectile point. Weapons of war, of course, were buried under the roots of the Tree of Peace. We find that tree in mythology around the globe.

Those five nations had differences. They were in a time of turmoil, complete with arguments, bitterness, insults, and violent conflict. Alone, Hiawatha taught, each was like a lone finger on a hand, which their enemy could easily break. Together, they formed a powerful fist, capable of protecting all of their interests. Yet the strength of that powerful fist was not found in its capacity for violence: rather, it was in risking gentleness, peace, and searching for those areas where people could be of one mind.

Wouldn't it be interesting – and, indeed, worth the risk – to take the time and make the effort on this forum to reach that higher ground?

No matter what your age, sex, sexual preferences, education, employment status, weight, ethnic background, belief system or lack thereof …..wouldn't it be worth the time and effort?

What would it require? First, I think mutual respect. There are obviously a few characters on this forum, from time to time, who aren't here to advocate unity or progress in the social and political arenas. But most of us are. Even when we disagree. Even when we strongly disagree.

There is another belt that comes to mind: the Two-Row Wampum Belt. The Iroquois made it with the Dutch government long ago, but its meaning is still solid. It represents two boats navigating the same river. It is, of course, that river of life. Two boats: the Europeans in their boat, and the Iroquois canoe. Side-by-side. Different, equal, with mutual respect. Maybe there are more than two boats in some of the issues discussed here, but the concept holds.

Treating one another with respect and being willing to consider that others may be sincere in their various opinions will not resolve all disagreements immediately. But it might dissolve the hostility, which could create an atmosphere where we can all move forward.

Finally, it takes no more energy to do so, than to engage in destructive arguments.

Peace,
H2O Man



PS: Please sing this song with me tonight & tomorrow. It's from the Prophet Bob Marley's 1976 album, “Rastaman Vibration.” The lyrics to the song are from Haile Selassie's speech to the United Nation's General Assembly in 1963:

What life has taught me
I would like to share with
Those who want to learn ….

Until the philosophy which holds one race
Superior and another inferior
Is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned
Everywhere is war

That until there are no more first class
And second class citizens of any nation
Until the color of a man's skin
Is of no more significance than the color of his eyes
Me say war

That until basic human rights are equally
Guaranteed to all, without regard to race
Dis a war

That until that day
The dream of lasting peace, world citizenship
Rule of international morality
Will remain in but a fleeting illusion
To be pursued, but never obtained
Now everywhere is war …..
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:14 PM
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1. Rec'd
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:55 PM
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11. Thanks!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:18 PM
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2. Well written.
Thanks for adding the speech from the song on Marley's album. My youngest son has discovered his work (with my help or introduction) and has come to respect his life and what he stood for and his music that keeps standing.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:05 AM
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14. Thanks, mmonk!
Glad to hear that you've introduced your son to Marley. I remember the first day that my daughter picked up my guitar; she taught herself to play Marley's Redemption Song.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:01 AM
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19. The Redemption Song.
My son mentions it quite a bit now.:)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:21 PM
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3. A refreshing drink of water.
At last!

A big K&R.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:06 AM
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15. Positive Vibrations!
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:29 PM
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4. Thanks for this post, H2OMan--you so often remind us of the important values we need
to be kept mindful of. Thanks also for the history lesson--I didn't know all that much about Hiawatha. I think I have seen that particular wampum piece when I was searching for examples of wampum online one evening. The pattern/pictograph seems familiar, and it's nice to learn the meaning.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:07 AM
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16. There are a lot
of fascinating belts. My favorites are the treaty belts.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:00 PM
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5. Would you kindly expand on "existential psychosis"?
Thank you for this conversation.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:30 AM
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17. Sure.
I think that everyone is familiar with those two words, though probably not together. Still, I'll start with a basic defintion of each.

"Existential" is from the 19th and 20th century school of thought that despite doctrinal differences, most/all philosophical teachings focus on the conditions that we, as individuals, exist in, and the thoughts, emotions, and behaviors which result.

"Psychosis" is a general term that describes disordered thinking. It is most frequently associated with symptoms of major mental illnesses; however, it can also be a feature of some mood/personality disordered individuals under conditions of great stress. It involves a gross distortion of "reality testing," in which individuals make incorrect inferences about external reality, including improper evaluations of the accuracy of their thoughts and perceptions -- and cling to these errors when confronted with contrary evidence.

While reading a number of OPs/threads in recent days, I was struck by the group process (and I surely do include myself) in which a wide range of individuals appeared to be getting sucked in a whirlpool of madness. This is not intended as a judgement of "good" or "bad" individual DUers. Not at all. Instead, it is what I believe is an often ugly group process that brings thoughts, emotions, and behaviors to the surface. I'd like to think that enough of us could agree to step back, and try a different approach.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:06 PM
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6. Why do you fight each other... We got to build a better nation

Peter Tosh - Fools Die (For Want Of Wisdom)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnVLxqWcHE


The lips of the righteous teaches many
But fools die for want of wisdom
The rich man's wealth is in the city

Vexation of the soul is vanity
Destruction of the poor is their poverty
The poor man's wealth is in a holy, holy place

Why do you fight each other
Why do you kill your brother
Then your reward will be the cemetery

We got to build a better nation
Clean up, clean up Jah creation
Or there will be no future for you, you and me
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:31 AM
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18. Peter Tosh!
I've been listening to a lot of his CDs recently.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 11:42 AM
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21. I love this particular song very much --- it makes me be quiet inside and reflective
I usually love rebellious spirit of rock'n roll music but this one really took me in. I have been listening to it many times a day....
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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:09 PM
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7. K&R
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:10 PM
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8. K&R
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:25 PM
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9. Respect
For the first time today I wondered if my time with DU had come to an end after viewing a particularly noxious thread. I never thought I'd see a subject line like that on DU. It added a layer of grim to the place imho. It did eventually get locked but only after nearly 100 posts. I wondered how it could be allowed to stay in view for so long and why such disrespect for women is even an issue on a site like this. You are right in all things with this thread and I will wait and see if your message is understood.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:40 PM
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10. Now that you mention it, I miss respecting my adversaries.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 01:10 AM
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12. Good words of peace.
Respect is basic, especially in words-only communications where much is missed. And I think respect is based on reverence: respect for all life, respect for yourself.



"Try and judge me only by my time and changes

And not mistaken words, for I say many

Listen only to my song and watch my eyes

There's not much time to spill, there's hardly any



Well, look at all the children living in the streets

And they're looking, not afraid to touch each other

They're not afraid to be themselves or someone else

And choose their friends with love and not by color



Never treat a brother like a passing stranger

Honey, won't you always try to keep the love light burning

Sing a song of love and open up your heart

For you might be the prince of peace returning

Yeah, you might be the prince of peace returning



Oh, the love the blind and wounded as that you would yourself

And the businessmen in cells collecting pennies

Judge their wealth by coins that they give away

And not the ones that they keep for themselves for spending



Oh, never be impatient with the ones who love you

It might be yourself that you're burning

Sing a song of love and open up your heart

For you might be the prince of peace returning



Never treat a brother like a passing stranger

Honey, won't you always try to keep the love light burning

Sing a song of love and open up your heart

For you might be the prince of peace returning"

-Leon Russell, G Dempsey





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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:00 AM
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13. Okay, now that
it is Saturday morning, I propose that we all get out our Woodstock albums, tapes, CDs, and DVDs, and participate in singing along with Sly & the Family Stone's "I Want to Take You Higher."

It will do you no harm.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:32 AM
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20. I had the great honor
of attending a 'workshop' with Tadodaho Leon Shenandoah in the early nineties. The strength of gentleness was quite evident and compelling with this man. I believe you know Tom Porter and Jake Swamp also.
Remarkable people! Thanks H20 Man!
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:08 PM
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22. Thanks for this thread
and working for harmony
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 05:54 PM
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23. Sunday afternoon drink...nt
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