I don't get it..people are complaining the Rengal thing is a purge?

[backwoodsbob]

he's dirty.He got caught.End of story.

The man should resign but he won't...he will screw the party trying to hold onto power.

This isn't a purge of liberals...he got caught very publicly...would you rather we circle the wagons around a tax cheat?

[Xipe Totec]

1. It's Rangel, not Rengal nt

[tularetom]

2. I'll circle the wagons around ANY Democrat accused of wrongdoing

That's what the other side does and it works pretty fuckin well for them.

We lose because of namby pambies that are so scared of what fox news is gonna say that they throw our own over the side before they even get a hearing.

Were you ready to kick Clinton out because he lied about a blow job?

[Warpy]

6. Read the list of charges, please

In the scheme of Congressional and Senatorial malfeasance, this stuff is pretty penny ante, just plain old chisling.

Should he be exposed? Hell yes.

Should he be ousted over it? I doubt it. He's going to be paying what he owes plus interest and penalties to the IRS and it's going to hurt. A lot.

However, given the massive bribes given to the GOP for decades so that they'll vote against the American people, bribes that have been honored year after year, the punishment should be exposure, humiliation and censure.

No, two wrongs don't make a right. However, there's a difference between pinching a quarter out of petty cash and using the company credit cart to rack up enough debt to put it out of business.

(on edit: that was supposed to answer the OP, clicked the wrong reply)

[PavePusher]

7. Why can't we punish law-breaking pols of BOTH parties, huh?

Someone has to start... I say seize the moral high ground, what little of it hasn't been washed away by the vile filth and bile of the modern political process...

[tularetom]

9. Fine, I'll agree when I see ONE goddamn republican

condemn the crooks, and perverts in their midst.

Maybe someone has to start but it ain't gonna be me.

[PavePusher]

10. I understand your sentiment, but...

thus the problem self-perpetuates.

[tularetom]

12. You believe that sacrificing Rep Rangel is going to placate those assholes?

We've been tossing our own people to the lions since the Clinton years and all it does is embolden them.

I think the problem is just the opposite. THe problem perpetuates because they know we'll wuss out.

[roguevalley]

28. he's so damned dirty, I don't want to lower myself to their

level. he is pissed if you even deign to ask him about it, like some king chastizing serf

[PavePusher]

29. Who's been "tossed", by either side?

Seriously, I can't bring to mind anyone who actually suffered any consequences for violating their oath of office for quite some time.


But let a military general vocalise two sentances of frustration with the fuck-sticks in both parties....

[tularetom]

31. A lot of namby pamby Democrats are only too ready

to give up any time the other side even accuses one of our representatives of wrongdoing. No, I can't recall anyone who has been officially "tossed" but far too many of us have a panic attack the first time fox news mentions a Democrat's name in connection with some scandal real or imagined.

And as far as the generals are concerned they would do well that the fuck sticks in both parties are in fact their bosses. In spite of all the brass on their uniforms they are only the cheap hired help.

[Duckhunter935]

11. I like your thinking

[sabrina 1]

13. We HAVE seized the moral high ground, over and over again.

Since that hasn't worked, I'm for ousting a few war criminals first.

[woo me with science]

14. It's not about seizing the moral high ground.

It's about being moral.

It just happens also to be a good opportunity to point out the contrast.

[sabrina 1]

17. What is moral about torture criminals being treated like royalty

in this country and assured by our president that they need have no fear of prosecution? How do you point out how moral we are as long as we 'look forward' and away from War Crimes?

Democrats are hypocrites if they go after people like Charlie Rangel and do nothing about the criminals from the Bush administration.

There is nothing moral about the Democratic Party's stand on war crimes and torture and the politicization of the DOJ. The denial of justice to the victims of torture amongst other things.

Explain to me how to 'point out the contrast' between us and the criminals when we are covering their crimes for them?

[woo me with science]

18. Who said we should cover their crimes? nt

[sabrina 1]

21. Um, President Obama? n/t

[woo me with science]

22. Um, I am not President Obama.

Just so ya know.

[sabrina 1]

23. Well, that would explain your suggestion that we NOT cover

up war crimes! President Obama otoh, disagrees with you.

[woo me with science]

25. Well thank you for recognizing that. nt

[PavePusher]

30. Drop some names, 'cause I'm clueless.... n/t

[Freetradesucks]

16. So actual wrong doing, and breaking of laws

does not matter to you? And you think this attitude helps the Democratic party HOW?

How can we expect to hold the Pugs accountable, if we do not hold our own accountable?

Hypocrisy is not a virtue.

[tularetom]

20. Hypocrisy is rewarded in the public discourse

And if the Dems don't realize that they can look forward to many years in the wilderness and the rest of us can look forward to the new dark ages.

By the way, I might remind you that Mr Rangel has not been proven culpable in the charges that have been leveled against him.

The pugs are never going to hold their own accountable. They have figured out what's going on. We have a long way to go.

As representative Weiner said, we have an unfortunate habit of bringing library books to knife fights.

[EFerrari]

27. Please show what laws have been broken. n/t

[Greyhound]

3. This is the slippery slope of Kleptofascism. We are faced with the prospects of replacing petty

thieves with major thieves who we than get to replace with the very top of the criminal food chain.

[EFerrari]

4. You're so quick to jump on the bandwagon, you didn't even spell his name right.

Fox News thanks you.

[Bluebear]

5. Nothing like circling wagons around torturers, eh? Where are those prosecutions?

[grasswire]

8. it seems to be members of the Black Caucus that are getting squeezed.

Maxine Waters. And that rep who allegedly hid $ in his freezer.

[Duckhunter935]

15. Convicted felon

Former congressman William J. Jefferson was convicted of corruption charges Wednesday in a case made famous by the $90,000 in bribe money stuffed into his freezer and a legal battle over the raid of his Washington office that reached the highest levels of the U.S. government.

[formercia]

19. Charley Rangel is far from being a Liberal or Progressive

IMHO

[sabrina 1]

26. Charlie Rangel is one of the most Liberal members of

Congress and always was. The only thing I disagreed with him on was the drug war. But I understood his reasons for being so anti-drugs.

[spanone]

24. and you know all the facts how?

[wmbrew0206]

32. Rangel has been from a safe district and in a powerful post for a long time.

Rangel has been in the House since 1970 and during that time he has held a LOT of very powerful positions, but mainly Chair of the Ways and Means committee. Probably one of the top 5 most powerful positions in Congress. During that time, Rangel has been able to raise a lot of money and spread it around to other democratic candidates and congressmen. A lot of people owe him a lot of favors and suspect he is calling them in and asking for silence.

He is also a decorated Korean War vet and one of the most senior members of the CBC. I think Rangel wants to fight this for his legacy sake and has the favors to do that.

[WinkyDink]

33. I'm suspicious of the election-year timing: the pincer attacks of race and sex "scandals".

It doesn't matter if the targets are current candidates; what matters is the over-all message that "Demorats are crooked blacks and sleazy whites."

[Stinky The Clown]

34. Not until we go after REPUBLICAN WAR CRIMINALS. Not untl we START looking back

It is much more bipartisan, however, to go after your own and allow the enemy to LAUGH at you.