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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:10 PM
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Father-daughter purity balls creepy
Are father-daughter purity balls a healthy way to discourage premarital sex? Diane Glass, a left-leaning columnist, writes the commentary this week, and Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, responds.

Among the Christian evangelical set, purity balls are surfacing as a legitimate way to curb premarital sex. During these balls, young girls are asked to sign a contract promising to remain chaste until they offer up their virginity like a wedding present to their future husbands. As the spiritual head of the household, their fathers vow to protect their virtue.

After the ball, initiated girls can buy merchandise. There are virginity survival kits that include lipstick and nail polish, or purity rings, some of which have two stones symbolizing the watchful eyes of Daddy.

Am I the only one who feels like taking a bath now? Yuck. This isn’t father-daughter bonding. This is disturbing.

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770514045
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:12 PM
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1. Creepy. It's like the father owns the girl's vagina.
Now, you're really gonna need that bath.

:evilgrin:
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:14 PM
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8. I'll bet some of them DO own it (EWWWWWW)
Edited on Tue May-15-07 04:14 PM by bush still has to go
Get the clorox out--bathe liberally!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:15 PM
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10. I think they staple a little price tag to it.
:evilgrin:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:13 PM
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2. it's not creepy
it is far closer to child abuse.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:13 PM
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3. Yup. This comes up about every 2 months, and it's just as creepy each time.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:13 PM
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4. Guess they're not anything like Ben Wa balls.
Edited on Tue May-15-07 04:29 PM by TWriterD
I agree with creepy, right up there with that "Daddy's Little Princess" line of clothing for young girls. Bet the fathers are Promise Keepers, with "I 'Heart' My Wife" bumper stickers slapped on their vehicles.

The right-wing response is classic:

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070515/OPINION08/70514046




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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:13 PM
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5. "Purity balls" oh the irony.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:14 PM
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6. Are there mother-son purity balls? Are people not concerned by their sons' purity? nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:15 PM
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9. mother-son purity balls? Don't be silly.
That would promote incest.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:54 PM
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46. Motherboy XXX?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:14 PM
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7. Gee, what are they doing with their sons?
Are they having purity balls for their sons also?
If not, this plan is doomed to fail (unless of course they're trying to prevent daddy from penetrating his little girl)
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:16 PM
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11. I'm trying to figure out how putting lipstick and nail polish into a kit
will help preserve virginity.

:shrug:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:18 PM
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15. They haven't said what the shades are
The kit contains a really ugly shade of nail polish, an even worse shade of lipstick and a pair of Army birth-control glasses.

Wear all three and you'll never get laid.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:19 PM
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17. It's toxic lipstick that will instantly strike down anyone who kisses the wearer.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:19 PM
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Do something else, ANYTHING else besides... you know.
I mean it IS nearly impossible to have sex while polishing your nails or for at least 10-30 minutes after.

Maybe the lipstick has a quality in it that shows up under black lite and identifies who she is kissing?

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:36 PM
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39. But all kidding aside...
My wife reports that when she was a teenage girl, she enjoyed having sex on occasion...and on the evenings when she wanted to do so, she'd polish her nails and wear lipstick.

So I'm sitting here scratching my head and thinking to myself, "since lipstick and nail polish have been linked to mating rituals practiced among teenage American females, why in hell is a group who is trying to keep teenage American females from participating in mating rituals handing them out?"
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:23 PM
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41. Well, these "Sweet 16" galas of our early age and that "blue bloods" gave..
Were fully chaperoned, and they allowed dancing and such, but all under watchful eye and maybe the next level is the return to chastity belt.

So this seemingly contradictory behavior isn't really out of place in their world. It's all about control. You do what I say you get what you want.

But I do agree to the normal mind it seems like handing kids firecrackers and no matches assuming holding the firecrackers will be enough and their word that they won't immediately attempt to acquire matches is good enough. I mean if you don't want them to play with firecrackers or matches, why put them in their hands?


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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:17 PM
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12. Actually it isn't as bad as my imagination first suspected.
My mind flashed to those big silver balls I've seen in some places but was afraid to ask about... thinking it might be something like dumbells for women to kegel with.

Somehow I thought someone found a way to track whether those were still in place.. maybe with a car alarm attached that goes off whenever Daddy's little angel even thinks of dropping the ball to be with Mr Studley from the Varsity Football.


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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:17 PM
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13. yuckie
There's an off-color sexual joke lurking in this "purity ball" topic and I for one ain't going near it.

This sort of thing always gives off an incest vibe, the same way hyper-antigays always set off the gaydar. And seeing as I'm a straight male without a gaydar, you really have to Haggard it up to make me start wondering!
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:18 PM
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14. Yes. It's creepy - no question about it.
And the name "purity balls" is just rife with comedic possibilities.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:18 PM
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16. Any father who OBSESSES over his daughter's sexuality ...
Edited on Tue May-15-07 04:20 PM by BattyDem
needs to get help. Seriously. :puke:

Hey dads ... HER vagina is not YOUR property!
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:19 PM
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19. Joe Simpson, anyone?
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:20 PM
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20. He creeps me out.
:-(
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:23 PM
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23. i went to a wedding
about two yrs ago.
good people, nice neighbors, similar taste in drinks, so we get along fine.

Their son married one of those daughters. She was nice, a little vacant, and we did not know it, but she was jumping at the chance of leaving home.

the reception was weird. The daughter's father demanded the first dance and groped her the entire time. I mean ass grabbing, tit rubbing, and an embrace that I keep to a very dark, private and horny situation. The whole crowd was stunned. The mommy dearest looked away and wore this plastic smile like she had been through this for all 18 of her daughter's years. talk about sickening.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:26 PM
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27. Oh, that's just sick
Edited on Tue May-15-07 04:26 PM by BattyDem
The groom should have beat the hell out of him and said, "Get your hands off MY wife, you f*cking perv!" :mad:

Why do the mothers of these girls allow this shit? :shrug:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:31 PM
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30. Maybe daddy was also a violent SOB
Piece of shit
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:35 PM
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42. Please talk to your neighbors about their future grandchildren
I feel ill. Really ill.

Um -- how to put this. That sonuvabitch thinks his daughter is his property and tolerates no boundaries, which means she doesn't know she has a right to any. He was really marking up his territory with that "dance", and quite publicly too. You were all witnesses to it.

He will molest his grandaughters sooner or later, count on it.

Oh gods.

Hekate

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:42 PM
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43. my understanding is that the daughter refuses to
visit them at home, and will only see them at a restaurant.
good for her.
a sweet kid, and obviously stressed, at the very least.

there were about 350 people there, and everyone Every Single Person there, but for the wife, looked on in horror.

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 08:33 PM
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50. She's a smart cookie then. I just hope she and her new family understand that he won't stop with her
Ewww.

Hekate

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:19 PM
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18. Purity Balls. This has to be an oxymoron!
I used to hear about Charity Balls. Those sounded a lot like make-up sex.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:23 PM
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24. Bad Hardrada!
:spank:
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:38 PM
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33. OOOOH NOOOO! My first DU spanking ever!
Knew I'd get one sometime though.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:44 PM
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34. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:party:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:43 PM
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44. You know you loved it. :)
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:05 PM
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48. Oh, I don't know. But I guess I did deserve it.
Some topics just invite being "bad" about!!
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:23 PM
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21. Purity Balls must Be CUT OFF!
How else will they (not) work?
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:23 PM
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22. "Incest Prom"otion Balls. nt
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:24 PM
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25. Purity balls, purity rings
are there purity clamps?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:26 PM
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26. I can't imagine being a dad and taking my daughter.
Could you imagine anything more uncomfortable? Bleccchhhh!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:29 PM
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28. Would this include a consent form signed by the initiated daughters
....to allow random vaginal inspections by the family gynecologist following dates and sleep overs? If so, would this go on until the daughter is actually wed? And, who gets to watch over the gynecologist's shoulder?

:sarcasm: ....but as I think more about it, subjecting young girls to such humiliating accountability has to be both emotionally unhealthy for the daughter and just outright bazaar on the part of the controlling parents. What is wrong with trusting and forgiving.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:31 PM
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29. As a father of a daughter I can guuarantee them
it won't do a friggin bit of good. If they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it and ya can't stop em. And in many cases it won't effect them at all. My daughter got married at age 18 right after graduation from high school and had a child six months later. But you know what? She's still married to the same guy 25 years later.

I was the stereotypical overprotective dad. Had the shotgun ready in case I ever caught her in the act. But even on my worst day I never would've had anything to do with a "father-daughter purity ball".

I was a little hypocritical too. With my son, I assumed he was "doing it" and the only thing I ever said about it was to make sure he used a condom.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:32 PM
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31. Purity Balls creepy, yes, but still lots better than female genital mutilation.


As far as cultural practices that aim to control female sexuality, purity balls are fairly benign.

But still, I wouldn't do it.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:35 PM
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32. Are purity balls anything like Schwetty balls? n/t
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:46 PM
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35. Won't Stop Daddy's Little Princess From Going Down On Her Boytoy
Studies show a marked increase in oral sex activity amongst women who've taken a virginity vow.
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Mark Twain Girl Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:55 PM
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36. Purity rings - tasteful
Here's an example:

http://www.purityrings.com/ShoppingResults.aspx?ItemID=13

This cross is a sentimental reminder to the lady that wears it that Christ’s’ love for her was so great that he sacrificed Himself for her. As this young lady places her deepest devotion in Christ she also places herself in His arms trusting that he will fulfill her heart’s desires. The crucifix gently reminds her that as she waits for her future husband Christ is lovingly preparing him just for her.

Eek! I would not care to give a daughter one of those. I'm a wee bit disturbed that these folks are hawking rings as sentimental reminders of crucified men, yet can't decide how to make the word "Christ" possessive.

Or, how about:

http://www.purityrings.com/ShoppingResults.aspx?ItemID=19

The name of Jesus sits prominently displayed in the center of the ring and is undistracted.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:59 PM
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37. I would have been APPALLED
if my dad, whom I loved very much, had wanted to take me to such an affair. The thought of him wanting to make me declare myself like that, IN PUBLIC, ewwww.. ewwww..... ewwww...

:puke:

And my dad was a Southern Baptist!
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:27 PM
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38. EEEWWW.
And thank you to Diane Glass for pointing out the obvious comparisons to traditional marriage ceremonies.

Got married in September.
Rather than being "given away" by my father, and "taken" by my husband, we had both sets of parents "present" us and "thus bless this marriage".
Rather than being pronounced "man and wife", we were pronounced "husband and wife" - equal footing.
And a few other touches.

I'm 31 years old, and haven't lived at home (even temporarily) since I was 25, but it took MONTHS of fighting with my parents to get them to agree to this!
These things are ingrained, and creepy things like "Purity Balls" only serve to reinforce and start up this sort of thinking.

(BTW, wedding went great, and I received dozens of compliments on my modern yet traditional ceremony.)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:37 PM
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40. It's like a stamp of approval for pedophilia.
Those things absolutely creep me out.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:48 PM
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45. I read balls like little rounds things that roll.
I couldn't stop thinking "tea-baggin'".
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:55 PM
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47. I'm a guy who thinks this is the creepiest idea ever.
:scared:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:09 PM
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49. Yet more proof that "religious" people are sex addicts, 24-7.
Religion is full of sex, from the naked guy nailed up on the wall to the immaculate conception to the naked kids playing house in the garden of eden.

These wack jobs think it's normal to spend mucho $$ and an entire evening in a public event that objectifies their daughter's sexuality and bodies.

It's probably on their minds 24-7, so, they think nothing of dressing it all up in tulle and tuxedos.

And what does it mean for the real wives of these creeps who either get abandoned or replaced by their daughters for the evening? What, exactly, does this all mean to them?
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