BootinUp
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:04 PM
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The "professional left" message boiled down |
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Our support for Obama is very limited we will kick his ass every chance we get to move him in the correct direction.
(yes I stole and paraphrased this from another member who summed it up so well)
Obama's implied response: Ok, expect to get kicked back.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:08 PM
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1. Why should Obama be kicking the people whose votes he'd like to earn or keep? n/t |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:10 PM
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3. Because Gibbs is still his press secretary. nt |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:13 PM
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4. I'm not sure I understand your response. |
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Do you mean that because Obama has to defend his buddy Gibbs, he has to allow him to insult part of his base in an election year?
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:33 PM
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15. It's obvious that Obama would rather lose the votes of his base rather than his press secretary.(nt) |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:45 PM
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22. I think he and his administration are just ridiculously tone-deaf at times. |
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Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 12:53 PM by superduperfarleft
Of course, he's got his die-hard supporters on DU who strive to make it look even worse.
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Fri Aug-13-10 08:12 AM
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27. He obviously doesn't care about us, because he's still got Gibbs working for him. nt |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:18 PM
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6. Maybe some of them will pull heads from rear orifices |
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and focus on the upcoming election.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:27 PM
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10. Yes, insulting potential voters is definitely the best way to win them over. n/t |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:33 PM
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13. If a small but loud segment of voters picks a public fight |
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and ignores other attempts at communication, I don't know why they would expect any different result.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:44 PM
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21. I guess I give Obama a lot more credit than you. |
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Even if I may disagree vehemently with him on certain policy issues, I still don't believe that he is as much of a petty, mean-spirited child as some of his supporters on DU are.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:50 PM
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24. All I see is name-calling, not a meaningful reply. nt |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:46 PM
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23. Because they make a nice scapegoat? |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:10 PM
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2. Other parts of the message |
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were that wanting the type of health insurance system that provides twice the care at half the price is just as crazy as leaving this country defenseless by abolishing the military; and that anybody who doesn't think the way the DLC does has got to have their brains fried on drugs.
And they wonder why we're annoyed.
Saying this sort of thing at any time is stupid and self defeating. Saying it in an election year when every single vote will count is monumentally stupid and self defeating.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:16 PM
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5. Health care legislation is done for this year |
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we barely got it passed. Why do you want to beat the horse in the runup to the election? Do you all have a time machine or something?
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:18 PM
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7. Excuse me? What does that have to do with anything? |
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Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 12:19 PM by Warpy
The issue is the equation of a desire for more progressive legislation in the future with the complete abandonment of the military.
Nice try at a red herring but Gibbs stepped in major doo doo and we all know it and this is one of the ways he did it.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:22 PM
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8. No, that is not the issue |
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The issue is frustation due to lack of understanding the process or any attempt to understand the process. Circular firing squads, etc.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:25 PM
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9. The "process" was cut at the fucking knees when single payer |
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was cut from even coming close to the damn table. And guess where that buck stops.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:28 PM
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11. That buck was killed in something called an election |
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There is zero gain from bashing the admin over it, bashing the admin over that is most like a baby crying because it can't do anything for itself.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:32 PM
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12. Poor baby. Live in reality like the rest of us. |
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Like my SIL who just had her second mild stroke and >did not go to the ER because she has no insurance.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:38 PM
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16. I have never heard the administration say |
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the bills they signed were perfect or anywhere near to it. I do recall how long it took to get some of them through congress, and I recall the President doing what he could to maintain pressure on Congress to get it done.
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Fri Aug-13-10 07:07 PM
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29. We understand the process all too well; we've seen it multiple times now. |
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Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 07:10 PM by Tesha
We start with a fairly centrist Democratic position. Obame and his minions then *GIVE AWAY* all of the bargaining chips before negotiations even begin.
Then, when the proposal looks exactly like a proposal Richard Nixon's Republican team would have delivered, it goes to the House and they reluctantly vote for it. Then it goes to the Senate where the Republicans and the Blue Dog "Democrats" block it for being not completely Neanderthal.
Obama's method of playing three-dimensional chess is to sacrifice his queen, both bishops, and a rook and a knight *BEFORE* the other side even begins playing, and then he lets the other side make half his moves 'for" him.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:33 PM
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14. You should be asking Gibbs, since he brought it up. nt |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:40 PM
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17. He was addressing critics of the administration |
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who have done nothing but bring it up over and over and over in an unending whine fest.
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:41 PM
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18. Get used to it, 'cause we're not shutting up. |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:42 PM
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19. That advice goes both ways of course. nt |
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Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 12:42 PM by BootinUp
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:42 PM
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20. Earned criticism is not a "whine fest." nt |
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Thu Aug-12-10 12:57 PM
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25. How dare you deviate from the approved talking point, |
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Thu Aug-12-10 05:25 PM
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26. I like your forum name. nt |
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Fri Aug-13-10 06:47 PM
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28. You barely got it passed because your politicians took the stupidest possible approach... |
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...to getting it passed. The very, very first thing they did was water the legislation down to the point of being meaningless in the completely vain hope that they would get some Republicans to back it.
Your politicians had the folks on my side not only banned from having "a seat at the table", but saw them threatened with arrest if they came anywhere near the negotiations.
Your politicians threw away the one feature (the public option) that *MIGHT* have made the bill palitable, the one feature that might have saved it from being a complete giveaway of our money to the insurance companies.
And now you want my vote? Somehow, I don't think it's my side whose brains are fried by drugs,
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