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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:06 PM
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I want to talk to you about "the Other." I can only do this properly
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 06:51 PM by Skidmore
through the perspective of my life's story. All through my life, I have been in and out of the role of "the Other." Sometimes being the other has meant that I was not afforded opportunities or suffered shame or degradation and fear. Now, I'm a white woman in my twilight years, for those who don't know me.

As a child, we were dirt poor and marked poverty casts you as "the Other" in a society which fancies itself to be full of wealthy or, at the very least, economically comfortable individuals. I do know what it is to be taunted for wearing dresses to school handed down from a cousin, and to be mocked as the daughter of "your crazy dad." My father suffered from mental illness. Being that "Other" meant enduring the derision of my schoolmates and then going home to endure the fear of what acts of cruelty could arbitrarily come from the hands of the man who contributed to my existence at a time when there were no support systems for families like ours. This combination of poverty and a dysfunctional home removed access to opportunity from us. We had no car and lived 1.5 mi. from town. No money to attend social events at school or to have the newest fashions or item in fad. We did without in painful ways. You will never find me mocking someone who is impoverished.

Education and marriage were my tickets out of that state of Otherness. Having worked very hard to qualify for scholarships, I was able to go to college. My poverty and fundamentalist upbringing left me unprepared for the world I met since I was missing many bits of cultural information in my knowlege fund. I fled in fear after the first year and married an Iranian man when I was 18 and followed him to Iran. There I learned a new variation of Otherness, one that comes with being someone from another nation and religion (I had married into a very conservative Muslim home) at a time when that nation was on the verge of overthowing the monarchy. I learned a new type of fear from the society at large and tried to reconcile it with the normalcy I sought in my marriage. Howver, there I was treated as an outsider by my inlaws, an interloper who had derailed the future of a Seyed. After 10 years, I returned with my children to this nation where I no longer fit it. Isolation from all the technological and cultural change that had occurred in my absence made the country of my birth seem alien and foreign to me. I experienced severe culture shock. It was a painful to me to know that he would not return here because of the way he had been treated in my homeland. I remember him being called a "camel jockey" once. He did not want to come back here.

So, as I entered my 30s struggling with acculturation and learning to be an adult in my own land--a single parent, since he chose to stay there. Recounting my leaving would sound like a novel and I won't go there. Anyway, the marriage would last another 10 years, and we divorced after 20 years in the same contract. My return put me, by necessity, into the world of work as a mom trying to take care of an 11 yr old and a 5 yr old. I was in the Other of a woman in the work place, and taking clerical jobs in a major univesity while I went back to school and working with some of the worst mysogynists I've ever met. And we wonder why women often see themselves as "the Other." In spite of the obstacles these men put in my way, I earned two degrees and went on to be a working professional.

I remarried after a while to a man from the Bahamas and we've been together for almost 17 years. Not all of my inlaws accept me in this marriage either When I visit my brotherinlaw, I'm "the Other" in the neighborhood, sometimes the only white person for blocks around. It took a while for people to accept me and for me to overcome my fears of being rejected again. And, through these years, I've watched him be "the Other" too, supporting and working with him through a very dark period in time in which he was experiencing extreme racial harrassment at his place of employment. We made it through and that battle brought about some very basic institutional change there AND he kept his job and got a promotion he well deserved.

More recently, my Otherness is found in the dual roles of cancer survivor and unemployed older person. I quit applying after a long period of trying because the rejection letters were just too painful.

You see, there are many roles in which we are marginialized as "the Other." Some are blatant and in your face while others just nibble away at your psyche, tearing holes in your soul. The Other is birthed from fear and hatred. The Other is the child of our basest instincts as human beings. It is bad enough when the Other springs fully formed from the brow of the grand self-styled gods of wealth today or from the snarl of age old conflicts. However, it is inexcusable for us to mold Others as strawmen because of our own fears and feelings of being scorned.

I guess after all this long winded biography what I want most to say is that I see this happening a lot on these boards lately. We must work together, for so many of us understand that The Other is ourselves and the commonality of that experience. It took me a long time to understand that there is no shame in being The Other as long as you do something with it. I chose to push forward for a better life for my children and to work to make the world a little better than I found it. I know that no one person can do it alone and that if we don't pull together, it will not happen. We cannot just scream at one another and expect those who feel entitled do more than point at us and mock us. We need to stand up...together, and reclaim the ground we had before the election. I encourage you to find ways in which you all can join in, even when it hurts. In the end, a group of Others can truly become "We, the people."

Thanks for hearing me out.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:11 PM
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1. Powerful
and what I fear is that many of us have been there... but rarely recognize it.

At least I know I have.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:44 PM
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8. The very word I was looking for: "powerful". A thumb-nail sketch of an epic life.
Ironical that your family were so poor, as your surname, Skidmore, is a version of the upper-class name, Scudamore - viscounts and so on. In the courts of eternity, though, I'd be surprised if any of them would have reached your likely rank. Funny old world, as La Thatcher once observed in a wiser moment.

http://www.scudamore.co.uk/toc2.html

The current chatelaine of the Scudamore family, who seemed very pleasant and down-to-earth was interviewed in a documentary series about the Normans shown recently on the TV, here in the UK.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:12 PM
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2. k/r
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:19 PM
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3. k & r
:hug:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:26 PM
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4. Totally feeling your vibe
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:32 PM
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5. Thanks for taking the time to write this and post it.
I've sent it to some people who do not hang out on DU.
This is one of the most eloquent things I've ever read on a message board.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:35 PM
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6. K and R
Been the other most of my life. The easy path in the middle of the highway may be easier and faster but, you see a lot more interesting things in the ditch.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 06:38 PM
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7. Thank you for posting this.
very moving.

:hug:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:02 PM
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9. That is a powerful life perspective.
I hope people read that and get that message.

With that background, and your collection of challenges, you have a pretty substantial and knowledgeable position from which to speak on a lot of really challenging and stressful subjects. Subjects in which a lot of people just have guesses and very basic opinions, but you lived this stuff.

Like, being in an inter-racial relationship
or being in an inter-cultural relationship
or being in an mixed-religious relationship (you didn't say, but I'm guessing)
or being a single mother, raising bi-racial kids, in poverty
or being a single mother, while going to college, and working
Etc.

So many different issues, and each of them very complex in their own right. Wow! That's a lot of personal experience for one person to live. I don't know whether to give you my heartfelt congratulations for surviving all of these challenges, or my heartfelt condolences that you had to.
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red red red Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 07:56 PM
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10. Thank you for posting...
You have touched me and I pray that you will have touched others also.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:06 PM
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11. So beautifully and bravely done! You have given us our homework!
I appreciate this more than you know. We share some of the same outsiderness, and some are very different... but the experience and the feelings and the damage is the same. Maybe it is the age.... I have been looking back at my "Otherness" also. Some small, some very large. The largest, of course, is being homeless in a society that considers homeless people as people of color were considered many years ago.

Many years ago, during that time when porn was being so widely discussed, the priest of the Episcopal church I was attending said in a sermon that a member had asked during the week what he idea of pornography was. He answered, "My idea of pornography is the whole concept of "US AND THEM". I have never forgotten that, and wish we could find a way to all see it as the porn that it is.

"United We Stand", and yet we divide ourselves up into smaller and smaller groups--- not revering and respecting the differences, so we can't celebrate the commonalities.

I'm glad to know you, Skidmore... you have sparked my day!

The Gift of the Poor
The people with the best sense of what is essential to a community, of what gives and maintains its spirit, are often doing very humble, manual tasks. It is often the poorest person - the one who has a handicap or who is ill or old - who is the most prophetic. People who carry responsibility must be close to them and know what they think, because it is often they who are free enough to see with the greatest clarity the needs, beauty and pain of the community.
- Jean Vanier, Community and Growth, p. 262


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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:28 PM
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12. thank YOU
Skidmore- this "other" appreciates you more than words can express.

:grouphug:

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kimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:35 PM
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13. You have given a lot to think about, in this
Thank you very much!
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 08:58 PM
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14. Skidmore, what a moving. beautifully composed post.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 10:51 PM
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15. That was wonderful! I'm glad you see how the others can become a 'we'. That is a great ending
Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 10:52 PM by applegrove
to an eventfull life. And now with your multiethnic family you are in fact representative of the world as it truly is.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:10 PM
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16. Recommended n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:17 AM
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17. Thank you for this post.
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:17 AM
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18. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:23 AM
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19. Another thank you from another Other
That was a great read.
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:16 AM
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20. Thanks for posting
This is so true and well put:

"You see, there are many roles in which we are marginalized as "the Other." Some are blatant and in your face while others just nibble away at your psyche, tearing holes in your soul. The Other is birthed from fear and hatred."

Thank you for sharing your story and for the truth of your conclusion.
We must work together.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:36 AM
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21. Heartfelt thanks for sharing.
Inspirational ....wisdom and passion.


peace~
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jbeing Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:43 AM
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22. K & R Until we understand
that each of us has a biography and that "Others" do as well, we have lost our sense of empathy.

BTW-Empathy is a strength, not a weakness, as some would portray.

Thank you for returning that sense to me.

You are remarkable.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:58 AM
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23. Posts like these are why I stay
Thank you for being willing to be so honest.
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:03 AM
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24. Wow!...
That's all...just wow!
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:09 AM
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25. A beautiful post. Thanks for sharing yourself. K&R!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:10 AM
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26. WOW....thanks so much for sharing.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :kick: :kick: :kick:

I need to cut and paste this into my 'Best Posts' file.

Thank you. I'm a +55 white woman who feels so much like you.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:24 AM
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27. very moving
for some reason your narrative invoked pictures all in black and white and not in vivid color. Not the stark contrast og pilosophical b&w but the serene and calming effect of b&w photos. You easily could have strayed into the anger, frustration of reds...but didn't.

Thanks for that perspective.

Your narative also made me feel that there are so many that sense being relegated to the other. Some have an inner quest to move waya from other, some embrace the otherness, some want to have the estlished group change that other-ness. Perhaps some of the hyper vitriolic discourse, the anger brewing and broiling is sometimes a result of how some deal with trying to avoid being the other.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:53 AM
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28. what a beautiful sketch of your life
Sounds like it has never been easy but you have leaned lessons all the way along. I'm touched by your sharing. And moved by your point.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:54 AM
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29. Thank you, Skidmore.

This is beautifully written and it comes from
your heart.

You have "been there" many times over
and it comes through in your story.

This Other thanks you for sharing
it with us.

You have helped me and no doubt
many Others by doing so.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:55 AM
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30. thank you
what a powerful piece!
:applause:
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:09 AM
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31. This is a wonderful post.
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 11:10 AM by BlueMTexpat
Thank you so much for sharing your story with us.

I believe that any individual who is conscious of having been an "Other" at any time in their existence either understands how soul-destroying it can be and develops compassion, empathy, understanding for all so that they fight against such labelling, intolerance and bigotry.

Or that person goes into denial in an attempt to fit in with and be accepted by those doing the labelling exactly - as you say - because of their own fears and feelings of being scorned. At least some of these latter, I firmly believe, are salvageable, with patience, persistence and education. We are not helped in that, however, by a corporate-controlled media that wishes to earn money by promoting outrageous people and issues in any attempt to promote one agenda or another - especially when those outrageous people themselves literally earn millions by simply being outrageous.

In fact, if we remember the beginnings of our nation, we were "Others" then In most cases, we were the tired, the poor, the latter-born sons of families where only the eldest could inherit, outcasts - even the criminals - from societies that had literally given up on or didn't want us, or we were slaves brought here to serve those people. Or we were here already and found ourselves literally disowned by those who wanted our land and resources. "We, the People" already embraces that concept. Some seem all too ready to forget that.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:36 PM
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43. Dominant culture identifaction is a survival tactic.
They trotted out the lovely young Miss USA to weigh in :eyes: on Park51. Who knows what she believes, she got a script and read it or maybe more cruel, was told to write her own.

"I believe that any individual who is conscious of having been an "Other" at any time in their existence either understands how soul-destroying it can be and develops compassion, empathy, understanding for all so that they fight against such labelling, intolerance and bigotry."


Your OR is BY FAR the most common scenario in my experience, especially where group-think, entrenched caste systems and economics are involved. You know, all that Stockholm Syndrome, identification with the oppressor stuff.

Skidmore has done everyone on this board a solid with her narrative. So let me just kick it again. :kick:

Tante K.



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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:05 PM
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53. She certainly has!
Please let me join you. :kick:
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:05 PM
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54. Deleted as dupe
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 05:06 PM by BlueMTexpat
But I'm leaving the kick in! :kick:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:13 AM
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32. Every person has a story...
...but I think so many of us have forgotten that. We all keep our stories hidden.

Society runs at a very surface level. It's all shopping, work, soccer practice, hanging
out in our glassed-in back porches and burying our faces in our computer screens.

We're all so pulled inward. We rarely hear each others' stories. But we've all got one.
By sharing our stories, we connect and we begin to expand our universe, let people in and become
more human and empathetic. We need more of this!

You are a brave, resilient soul. Not everyone has the capacity to rise from the ashes. I hope you pay
value to yourself for all that you have endured and all that you have overcome.

You need to have a ceremony--bake yourself a cake, light some candles and recognize and celebrate your
life.

:) :hug:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:15 AM
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33. K&R! n/t
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:18 AM
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34. Thank you
From another "Other" :-)
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:20 AM
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35. Thank you for posting this, Skidmore.
~PEACE~
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:35 AM
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36. K & R nt
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:44 AM
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37. from another Other...
:hug:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:01 PM
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38. I have been an "other" in most ways for most of my life.
Hence my screen name. I am the "lonest" wolf I've ever met.

I appreciate your thoughtful, and obviously sincere, post. I agree with your conclusion, up to a point.

I have to say, though, that much of the conflict on this board results from Democrats, those elected, those in power, and those who vote, attacking "others" like school yard bullies singling out the "outs" for their attentions.

If you are an independent-minded Democrat, not a partisan, you are "other."

If you are a teacher, you are "other."

If you are ANY of the groups attacked and marginalized by main-stream Democrats, you are "other."

If you dare to put your "otherness" on the table and to oppose right-wing or neoliberal policy coming from a Democratic administration, you are feared, hated, belittled, ridiculed, and marginalized by the "mainstream."

I think that the "others" here at DU ARE coming together as a group. I think that's part of why the flames between the "others" and the mainstream have blown up. I think it's devastating that "old" Democrats and liberals are now the "others."

I don't know what all that means on DU, or in November, or in 2012, or in how the Democratic Party and the nation continue to evolve. I am certainly willing to work "together" with ANYONE who wants to help put issues on a better path, moving in the right direction. That's really where the divide begins, though, because we no longer agree on that direction. At least, that's how I see it.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:13 PM
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41. What if we all owned our "Otherness" and recognize it in our greater constituencies?
We don't really. We are quick to participate in separating and dividing and labelling the other "Other". During the 2008 campaign we were willing to suspend this. We must do it now as well. Not all things have come to fruition in the ways I envisioned them in the ideal, but we have pushed the boundaries further than they have been pushed in decades. This is where the commonality of our experience of being the Other becomes important. It begins with the understanding that the ideal is just that, an ideal, a mirage on the horizon--something to strive to reach. In reality, sometimes the puddle you trip over is the sustenance for the day and other times you are able to find a cool oasis and luxuriate. You don't abandon the journey or your companions along the way. If you trip, you get up. If you stop to luxuriate, you remind yourself that there are many who have not found what you have discovered. You don't turn your back to the horizon and you don't go back except to give someone else a hand or throw someone else the canteen or rope. Sometimes it means that you go without a bit to make it better for more. You don't hang for dear life and shut your eyes, your ears, your heart, no matter what is happening with you at the moment.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:52 PM
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44. Interesting metaphor.
I've used something like it myself. I AM the idealist. I'm also the cynic that the burned idealist can become. A little of both.

I don't think of the ideal as a mirage." I think of it as a bar set so high we won't get there; the farther the go, the higher it rises.

I strongly believe, though, that keeping our focus on that ideal, that high bar, as we move forward gets us much, much, further than setting our sights only a few steps ahead.

That's the way I teach. My expectations for every student, each year, are that they will make several years' growth, that at the end of the year their spelling and grammar will be perfect, that they will be bibliophiles, they will be eloquent speakers, critical and complex thinkers, advanced writers and researchers, responsible, knowledgeable, empathetic, committed, well-rounded, healthy, happy human beings that will use what I've offered to make their lives, their worlds, and our world better.

Has any student ever reached those expectations? No. No, but they progress well beyond the point they would if I were looking for a small improvement, or minimal adequacy.

I hold the same high level of expectation for my country, my government, and my party. I won't apologize for that.

What I see happening? I don't see that my party has their eyes on the same bar I do. Too many are facing the opposite direction, and are heading DOWN, not up. I'm not going to help them do that. If I've gone back, and tried to turn them around, and they refuse, then what?

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:19 PM
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45. I understand what you are saying, but we can do this.
"Too many are facing the opposite direction, and are heading DOWN, not up. I'm not going to help them do that. If I've gone back, and tried to turn them around, and they refuse, then what?"

This is when we need to recount our Otherness and then get them to share their stories too. We need to reconnect at a very basic human level. This has been stripped from us in the current political and media environment.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:03 PM
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48. How shall we bring those stories forward, in the current environment?
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 03:03 PM by LWolf
I did a little something this week; I met a Republican friend for dinner. She's an old-style republican, a self-defined "RINO," who is a fascinating mix of hardcore independent, personal responsibility values along being a staunch defender and supporter of civil rights, civil liberties, and social justice. We agree on more than we disagree. She's much more "pragmatic" than I.

On the supremely hot-button topic of public education, we agree on much...but she things RTTT is a good thing. I think it's a weapon of public education destruction. A disaster.

Because I know and like her, I listened to her points carefully. I can, and did, acknowledge the points. I just don't like the "solutions" that are on the table; "solutions" that don't solve anything. One of the things she said to me was, "You don't realize that there aren't enough teachers like you." (I taught both of her students; while we worked well together for many years, we didn't become friends until both of her kids had moved beyond my school.) She's right. I don't realize that. And she's wrong. I do.

I realize that, because I AM an "other," professionally as well as politically, socially, culturally...

I don't, because, despite not being "like me," the vast majority of teachers I've known have been competent and worthy of respect. It's usually the system itself that is causing dysfunction, not the teacher.

She also could, and did, acknowledge that the underlying dysfunctions had more to do with flaws in the system than in the teachers, and said, "Teachers are shaped by the system. Only the strongest can resist much of that shaping."

In other words, we found some common ground. She, like many DUers, would rather see everybody fired than another year of nothing changing. I would rather see some fundamental changes that are more positive in nature, and more likely to result in benefitting students and public education. That's a disagreement.

Another piece of common ground: she likes educators' solutions better than politicians'. BUT...educators' solutions are not on the table. Neither of us are sure how to get them there.

This is a small story about 2 people finding common ground. It's a tiny drop in the world's oceans when it comes to communication. It's the only thing I know to do, though, out in the real world.

And here at DU, or out in the real world, "common ground" is never going to be ground salted with right-wing or neoliberal poison. That ground won't grow healthy crops.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:15 PM
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49. All those drops, though, make an ocean.
At sometime in our lives, most of us have been the other, and lots of us refuse to face it. Many of us have faced need, poor health, misfortune, and fear or know someone who has. Your friend can probably be brought to recount some experience of being the Other in her own story, if she is honest. Acknowledgement that "there for the grace of the Universe go I" is essential to reconnection. Sometimes it isn't policy arguments that will get you there. It isn't the labels. The labels here are confusing and shift depending on the grievance. I've been ignoring them and looking for the essence of an issue and the solutions that make the most sense. Not everyone can be winners all the time, nor should they be losers everytime. We have to work our way back to common ground because if we don't we all lose. Common ground is not left or right or even middle. It is an agreement on what benefits the society the most. We need to quit loading issues to the point that discussion--and more importantly, action--cannot take place. I am not positing stasis. I am positing affirmative action in the truest and broadest sense of the phrase.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:31 PM
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50. I will keep that in mind. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:04 PM
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39. Interesting story.
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 12:05 PM by Enthusiast
In the eyes of Republicans you simply aren't a good Merican. You married a Muslin! :sarcasm: :hi: :pals:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:10 PM
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40. Thank you - you hit it out of the park. k&r
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:28 PM
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42. Powerful indeed.
And so beautifully written, woven, expressed and ended. And it definitely needs to be heard and taken to heart. Thanks for sharing your history and heart, Skidmore. :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :grouphug:


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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:29 PM
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46. K&R
:thumbsup:
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N_E_1 for Tennis Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:47 PM
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47. Beautifully Put...K&R
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riverbendviewgal Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:32 PM
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51. You are a wonderful strong woman with a message
You should consider writing a book of your life experiences.

Thanks for writing o about your self.

I have been in the "other" world too. I am almost deaf...

Many times in my life I have felt left out.

I was in my late 20's when I got my first hearing aid. WOW!

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:52 PM
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58. Congratulations!
Any way we can connect is good. I'm sure you hearing aid has made a big difference in you life. It is terrible to feel isolated by circumstance. Peace and well wishes to you, my friend.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:02 PM
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52. How very, very well-said. I salute you.
Redstone
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:29 PM
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55. Very powerful...
I, too, know the feeling of being "The Other". I have taken license and sent this to many, of course, giving you credit.

Thank you so much for your profound and heartfelt sharing :hug:

Jenn
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:31 PM
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56. Thank you for the story Skidmore
Too many people were, are, and/or have become the other in a supposed "melting pot" (or better yet salad bowl) You are correct--- we must stand together and make the difference we want; we need to get people out to vote.


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has" Margaret mead
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:32 PM
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57. Skidmore, you rock!
amazing biography, stimulating and inspirational. thanks
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 11:57 AM
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59. Sunday kick!
:kick:
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