According to Joe Biden-- Obama's a clean and articulate Negro.

[trumad]

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/31/biden_unloads_on_clinton_obama_edwards

Joe Biden---the biggest political putz this side of George W. Bush.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

1. What a dipshit.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

Guessing he doesn't have that many African-American acquaintances . . .

[Tatiana]

2. "House negro." n/t

[Sydnie]

40. Hate to admit it, but that is exactly what went through my head too

"House worker, not a field hand type at all". the image that accompanied that thought had bidden in his ball cap from the Alito hearings, puffing on a big cigar and rockin' on trent Lott's front porch. :puke:

edit- typed faster than I could spell :blush:

[Tatiana]

49. Basically you get the impression that Biden thinks articulate black people are an anomaly

rather than the norm.

That's what irks me. He's jealous. After all, he's been toiling away in the Senate for ages and here comes this young upstart who gets instant media converage with no substantive record to speak of.

However, I think what you are seeing is the people (including the media) indicating a preference of someone with maybe a short legislative record or little experience over someone with a bad legislative record on some of the most important issues.

[Sydnie]

59. Someone with a clear vision that includes HOPE is what we all

are seeing in Obama. I was moved to tears at his speech at the 2004 convention and mentioned to my family that I thought we had just heard a future President speak.

What Bidden needs to consider - "It's the message, stupid". His message has been so off track for so many years that he should be happy that they still let him eat in the same room as the grown ups, much less at the same table. He killed his chances with me forever with the stunt at Alito's hearings and with that lousy bankruptcy bill. We don't need another "joke" of a President. Not in my lifetime anyway.

Obama is more like Kennedy (and yes, Kerry and Edwards too) with a message of hope. I don't agree with everything he says, but I rarely agree with everything anyone says.

I just think Bidden is so past his prime and statements like the one he made about Obama just add fuel to his Presidential Hopeful funeral pyre.

[undeterred]

3. What is John Conyers?

He's worth a hundred Joe Bidens as far as I am concerned.

[Benhurst]

60. John Conyers is not mainstream.

He believes in upholding the Constitution and working for the common man, which makes him a dangerous radical, indeed.

[Missy M]

4. I couldn't agree with you more....

I can't believe he made that statement. It is downright insulting and I wonder if he meant it to be that way. It is one of the dumbest statements I've heard in a long time. It's George W. Bush dumb.

[lancdem]

24. "George W. Bush dumb"

I couldn't agree more!

[renate]

35. that's my new favorite phrase!

Love it! That could be the new "screwn"!

:rofl:

[npincus]

5. he just eliminated himself from The Big Race...

representing Stupid White Men.

F*cking idiot. Didn't he recently make some offensive remark about not being able to step into a DE 7-11 without being confronted by someone of Indian descent (speaking with his impression of an Indian accent).

[Philosoraptor]

8. Shortest campaign in U.S. history.

[npincus]

14. dumb f*ck.

[confludemocrat]

50. Google headline says he "just got back in" the race, so get back out asshole, Joe

What a dope.

[Philosoraptor]

6. I wonder if he's rubbed Obama's skin to see if it was paint?

[Zenlitened]

7. Maybe he meant as in "clean-cut," good role-model, etc. etc.?

:shrug:

Not a big Biden fan, here. But yeeeee-ikes. I hope it was just a brain-mouth disconnect moment.

[npincus]

13. NOT.

He was speaking like he was talking to a membership of a no-blacks-allowed country club.

Would he EVER have said that about a white candidate? The "first" African -American candidate who is "articulate" and "clean"?

[Zenlitened]

32. You have a point, I have to admit.

Would he find it noteworthy that a white guy was articulate? I dunno. Maybe he finds it noteworthy that any young person can string two sentences together. Which makes him, at the very least, part of Generation: Expired. :(

[AlCzervik]

15. this ain't Joe's first time at the rodeo.

[Dorian Gray]

37. Does it really matter if he meant

"clean cut" vs. "Clean?" I mean, he said that Obama was the FIRST of either stripe. The first mainstream African American who embodies all of those qualities? Bull SHIT! He has a lot of latent bigotry if those words came out of his mouth. ((I know you are only trying to find the bright side here, but there is little to defend Biden with.)

[Zenlitened]

58. Yeah, another DUer described it as "unconscious racism"...

... and that seems pretty accurate, IMO. I don't think Biden's a nasty person. But he's certainly... um, "of an older vintage," let's just say. (Trying to be charitable, here.)

I think we need to amend the Constitution so that you'd have to be younger than 35 to run for President. :D

[SweetGrass]

9. Open mouth.

Insert left foot, right foot, and push. Sheesh.

Buh-bye, Joe. My guess is you're finished in politics...and rightfully so.

[MissB]

Well, it ought to kill his chances for a presidential run.

If tpm is correct.

[Double T]

10. One UP, one DOWN...............

Joe's finished before HE even got started.

[Lerkfish]

11. anyone who uses the term "articulate" about an african american

is completely unaware of what a condescending and racist remark that is.

i say that, because I think THEY think they're being wonderful. I don't think THEY think they're being bad at all.

unintentional institutional racism is sometimes worse than the overt direct kind.

[npincus]

18. 100% correct

what Biden was really saying was, Obama was so good, he looked and sounded good enough to be white. Am I right?

F*cking dumbass.

[NMDemDist2]

61. i understand what you are saying but it's so confusing

i call articulate people 'articulate' and smart people 'smart'

as in Hillary is smart and Obama is articulate. that's implying only white people can speak which is ridiculous IMO. just look at chimpie for instance, he's a highly educated man who will NEVER be called articulate



:shrug:

[Pathwalker]

12. Joe's just jealous - Obama's got charisma

and Joe doesn't. Pretty disgusting statement, Joe.
I also don't think Obama plagerized in his book, Joe.

[FrenchieCat]

16. As much as I dislike Biden, he didn't use the word "Negro"......

and I resent that being in your header.

What Biden said was what he said which doesn't make him look all that great anyways......But when folks take it upon themselves to change the words coming out of other people's mouth, that misrepresentation really puts bias and emphasis on OP's own motives.

So, you should change your storyline and take out the "negro" part, cause I couldn't find it as something that Biden said. The guy is enough of a blowhard to destroy his own self....no need to put words in his mouth.

I will also say that to a great degree there are many White folks who think like Biden....that Obama is one who is relatively non-threatening and a cut above the ordinary. But Obama is that in comparison to quite a few not just restricted to those within his own race.

[Bucky]

26. Yes, it's almost as unfair as, say, marveling at how clean a US senator is

But yes, the word choice stuck out for me too. I think the OP was trying to capture some of the patronizing gist of Biden's comments.

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[catgirl]

48. Using the word NEGRO is racist

Biden didn't use it, YOU did. And when others pointed this out,
you didn't correct your title. I question someone's intentions
when they do things like this. You only responded when dip shit
was said. Hmmm.

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[catgirl]

34. Trumad doesn't seem to want to correct the title

and I question why someone would insert this word
when it was not used by Biden. It is offensive.

[Philosoraptor]

17. Did he mention that Obama is a credit to his race?

[AlCzervik]

19. no but he did say "He's one of the good ones"

[Philosoraptor]

21. Some of Joe's best friends are colored.

[shain from kane]

41. He rents them from this site.

http://www.rent-a-negro.com/

[Bucky]

28. Well spun!

In context, it's clear that "ones" means one of the good candidates, not one of the good blacks. But yes, Biden is definitely making bad word choices.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. No shit?

What a prick.

[AlCzervik]

55. no he didn't really say that.

[skypilot]

20. Articulate, bright, clean, nice-looking

And he's the FIRST!!! I guess it's a good thing he came along to show the rest of us mainstream African-Americans what articulate, bright, clean and good-looking looks like.

[Karenina]

53. I'm willing to bet Obama's socks are intact

and that when he appears in public his suit has been cleaned and pressed. Not like SOME self-proclaimed Übermenschen we know! :evilgrin:

[Rosemary2205]

22. Poor Joe Biden

He's trying to pay Obama a compliment and instead ends up calling Sharpton, Keyes, Brown etc dirty and stupid. I bet even having it explained to him, he still doesn't get it. Someone needs to tell him that any white person that acknowledges Obama's skin color at all while paying a compliment is going to be seen as racist.

[RegimeChange2008]

64. Hell, I thought Alan Keyes was very articulate

Batshit crazy, yes. But very articulate.

[immoderate]

68. And clean...

Don't forget.

--IMM

[Jacobin]

23. Biden's mouth gets him in trouble constantly

Always yammering away, like a dog barking that never bites.

[Bucky]

29. Actually getting in trouble for his own words is a first for Biden

Remember what sank him 19 years ago was his use of someone else's words.

[Yavin4]

25. Won't Be The First Time He Killed His Campaign Early

His 1988 bid was killed before the primaries started when it came out that he plagiarized in college.

[npincus]

27. YouTube: Biden "you can't go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts in DE without a slight Indian Accent"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIT3jUrNTX0

[catgirl]

30. You should correct your post...he didn't say "negro"

Biden is notorious for going off on annoying rants
and will stick his foot in his mouth for the duration
of his campaign. He doesn't need extra words put
in his mouth. To use the derogatory word NEGRO
is irresponsible. If you have another real statement
with Biden saying this please share it. If not, you
should correct your title.

[Zenlitened]

33. Agreed. No need to put extra words in Biden's mouth.

[trumad]

39. Nope...not going to do it.

If this was 50 years ago when Negro was used as a reference to Black people, he would have used Negro instead of African-American.

It probably kills the fucker to have to say African-American.

Joe Biden is a God Damn racist...period.

[npincus]

47. agreed- you didn't put the word negro in quotes

and were therefore not quoting, but characterizing what you believed Biden was saying. If you had put it in quotes, then I would think otherwise.

[catgirl]

56. This thread makes it look as if Biden used that word.

To insert this derogatory word into someone
elses statement is plain wrong.

[youthere]

31. WTF? n/t

[earthside]

36. Biden Told the Truth

Wow.

Just because Biden told the truth about the whole rationale for the Obama presidential campaign -- DU is goin' nuts.

The only reasons anyone is paying any attention to Obama's presidential effort is because he is a " mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

Because we all know that there is no 'there' there to Obama -- no experience, no leaderhip on issues, no great personal triumphs over adversity, no special parliamentary skills ...

[trumad]

43. Oh and Bidens got all of that

gee...and look where that got us.

Are you trying to say that experienced politicians are all that compared to non-experienced politicians?

ROTF

[Rosemary2205]

44. Uh huh

we all know that?

Ya, no chance anyone could possibly disagree with you. :eyes:

[AtheistInBabylon]

65. Knee-jerk reactions here. You believe what you want to believe.

Thanks for saying what had to be said there earthside. People are too willing to bandy the racist accusation around where it doesn´t apply. I think everyone who supports Obama, including Obama himself, are doing themselves a disfavor by overemphasizing race (same point goes for gender with HRC) at the expense of actually building a case for the candidate. We all know we can leave it to the Thugs in the general to focus on such inane banalities, so why are we beating up our own and on each other on these non-issues? I can accept that people don´t like Biden for various reasons. I do, however, based more on what I think he is capable of, specifically in the foreign policy arena. While his statement is not recommended for a candidate, it´s a hell of a stretch to call him a racist based on selective interpretation.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. Biden should resign.

What would happen to his seat if he did?

[TZ]

51. dishonest anyway..

I can't remember exactly but didn't he admit to plagiarizing a paper or something like that the first time this jackass ran for president?

[LuckyTheDog]

52. If he said that, he's an IDIOT

And, because Joe Biden has, in the past, shown that he is capable of saying idiotic things, I can believe he said that.

He might as well have said that Barack Obama is a credit to his race. What a dork Biden is.

[Annces]

54. Biden is not a racist

He may be a dinosaur, but so is half the population or more. Biden and Kennedy have been the bulldogs of the senate going after idiots like Renquist. You are irresponsible to say these things.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Riiiiight.

I'm sure he's got lots of black friends.

[AlCzervik]

63. why because he didn't say "Halfrican" like Limbaugh? Biden's racism is the most

insidious type imo, he's not yelling it from the rooftops but it's there.

[marmar]

57. I guess we shouldn't be shocked. Remember this classic:

In thanking a young Indian-American man for the support of his Indian-American group, Sen. Biden touts how Indians are the fastest growing immigrant group in Delaware and says, “You cannot go into a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts without an Indian accent.”

http://anna.typepad.com/herstory/2006/07/of_course_you_c.html

[npincus]

66. I guess that's where they reside on the socio-economic ladder

in his brain. Funny, he didn't name a Fortune 500 company or a white-collar professional's workplace.

[Moderator]

69. locking...

This is flamebait.