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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 08:48 PM Original message |
People should stop pretending that the deficit commission actually has any power to do anything. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. But the drama evolves from the pretending. nt |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. i thought pelosi |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Pelosi didn't say that unilaterally. A majority of the House said that when it voted for the rule. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. i thought it meant |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. The commission was formed by executive order. That's why it has no power on its own. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. the concern as i understand it |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The committee was appointed to deal with the deficit. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. i will say |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. Social Security is not the cause of the deficit. Therefore, as |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I'm not saying we should wait. I'm simply saying that we should direct our opinions to CONGRESS |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Well, I agree with several of your points, such as putting pressure |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. What in fucking HELL do you think we are doing? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. Net recommendation: 0 |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. The same happens on the flip side, darlin'. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. You sound sooooooo sensible! |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. Why is Social Security even being brought up? This is about the deficit which Social Security does |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Making good on the T-Bills in the SS trust fund will increase the deficit. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
72. They don't seem to have any problem with that when they borrow money from China to kill people |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. So 18 DU'ers have as much power as the "Deficit Commission" and I can make a recommendation to .... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. "The House will not hold hearings!" "The House will not permit any amendments!" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Why is SS on the agenda of the *deficit" commission? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. SS has everything to do with the deficit (see post 13 where I responded to you). |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. You can say that until you turn blue in the face... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You don't even pretend to contradict what I am saying. You just talk about the REASON for it |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. That wasn't my intention, I got you to admit that the commission is headed toward fucking with SS.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I never said that the commission would not propose cutting SS! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. There's nothing to rebut.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. You keep saying that, and I keep agreeing with it, but it does NOT refute the fact that SS has |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. And do you think someone leaned on the House leadership to agree to those restrictions? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I have no problem with the commission continuing. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. awwww..... you spoiled the fun!!!! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. Social Security has absolutely zero to do with the deficit.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. It actually has everything to do with the deficit (though that is not the point of my thread). |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Oh bullshit.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. "We all know that the money from SS has been blown on tax cuts for the wealthy" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Congress simply won't take radical action that upsets major donors.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You might be right about that |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Is this from the Wall Street Journal...??? GAO and Social Security Administration are wrong . . .??? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. GAO and the Social Security Administration don't disagree with that. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Social Security has only run SURPLUSSES . . . though they are still not supposed |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. By 2037, it will be paying out more in benefits than taking in. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. So what, this has happened many, many times since SS |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. ...and slight adjustments have always been made ... when necessary ... |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
73. The government doesn't have to borrow to spend. |
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mikehiggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. The real question to my mind is "so what?" |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. That is true but besides the point, because |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Obama is going to cut my Social Security and take away my Medicare |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Are you saying that's not what Wall Street and right wing want . . . ? Not what W was after?? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. No. He is saying that Obama doesn't want that. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
65. A few still cling to the idea of Obama being for "change" ... but that's pretty much over -- |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I was obviously being sarcastic |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. Who would have thought that Obama would have FAILED to deliver |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's good for negative campaign ads: Senator Simpson wants to cut your social security by 80%! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. It is not useful for campaign ads, because |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Doesn't matter, the American public for the most part doesn't know who is and isn't |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. So is it a big distraction - and if so, what are we allowing to be hidden? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. It diverts accountability from the Congresspeople who actually have the power to enact laws. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. Right -- a long tradition of moving tough decisions from Congress whom we ELECT . .. |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
48. Beware Govt Trolls... telling you everything is OK.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Really tough to do that these days--!! And, to our shock, under Dem president--!!! |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
49. No power except to provide cover |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
51. They have the power to shape dialog in an election. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Right -- the power of propaganda and Obama put them in that position ..... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
52. It Has The Power To Provide Cover For Any Politician That WANTS To Make Cuts... |
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ShamelessHussy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. "The commission has no more power than a group of 18 of us" - lol |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. thank you...its just an excercise to show how dumb the other ideas really are. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-03-10 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. Good post - though I wonder why this obvious fact has to be restated here over and over again |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. The Cat Food Commission has the power of propaganda ... and advice to Congress.... |
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noise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
59. The commission |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
60. Precisely. I laugh and shake my head at all the doomy-gloomy-sign-the-petition posts. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. And are you still laughing over health care deform ... you know . . . . |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
62. OK, I understand you, but here is why you are wrong |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
63. And R. Gibbs has no power; Rahm has no power. You miss the point, re: OBAMA. |
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