Pat Buchanan: Ron Paul "was speaking intolerable truths"

[sabra]

Freepers heads exploding...

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=but_who_was_right_--_rudy_or_ron&ns=PatrickJBuchanan&dt=05/18/2007&page=full&comments=true

But Who Was Right -- Rudy or Ron?
By Patrick J. Buchanan

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Ron Paul says Osama bin Laden is delighted we invaded Iraq.

Does the man not have a point? The United States is now tied down in a bloody guerrilla war in the Middle East and increasingly hated in Arab and Islamic countries where we were once hugely admired as the first and greatest of the anti-colonial nations. Does anyone think that Osama is unhappy with what is happening to us in Iraq?

Of the 10 candidates on stage in South Carolina, Dr. Paul alone opposed the war. He alone voted against the war. Have not the last five years vindicated him, when two-thirds of the nation now agrees with him that the war was a mistake, and journalists and politicians left and right are babbling in confession, "If I had only known then what I know now ..."

Rudy implied that Ron Paul was unpatriotic to suggest the violence against us out of the Middle East may be in reaction to U.S. policy in the Middle East. Was President Hoover unpatriotic when, the day after Pearl Harbor, he wrote to friends, "You and I know that this continuous putting pins in rattlesnakes finally got this country bitten."

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Ron Paul is no TV debater. But up on that stage in Columbia, he was speaking intolerable truths. Understandably, Republicans do not want him back, telling the country how the party blundered into this misbegotten war.

By all means, throw out of the debate the only man who was right from the beginning on Iraq.

[wakeme2008]

1. bin Laden wanted us to get our military out of Saudi and

Bush did that also.

[blm]

12. Bin Ladens have helped Bush family for decades - Bushboy returned favors.

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[TwilightGardener]

2. Any enemy of the neocons (who is not a Dem) is a friend of Pat's.

[WI_DEM]

3. He is absolutely correct.

[eleny]

4. "admired as the first and greatest of the anti-colonial nations"

I had never considered that we were the first anti-colonial nation. It gave us something in common with other countries dominated by Britain or other European governments. I just never thought about that and how it would make other peoples view us.

Boy, we blew it bigger than I'd ever realized.

[enki23]

6. that's because it isn't, actually, true.

ours has never, so far as i can tell, been an "anti-colonial" nation. we were late to the game, but we still tried our damnedest to play it.

[Nederland]

7. How do you figure?

Weren't we the first colony to successfully rebel against a European colonial power?

[truedelphi]

9. I think that in 1776 we were

It didn't take too long to go the way of the other colonials - we started fighting wars with
Mexico to gain empire early in the nineteenth century

[JoDog]

13. Don't forget the Spanish American War

part of the point of that war was to gain a foothold overseas.

[eppur_se_muova]

38. One of the reasons the colonists rebelled is that George III forbade them ...

from settling beyond the Appalachians in the Ohio Valley, which he ceded to the Indians, writing to one native chief as one monarch to another that he agreed to a treaty forbidding the further encroachment on Indian lands. So many colonists rebelled against the Crown for the specific purpose of becoming colonizers themselves.

[eleny]

20. Well, having overthrown Britain did set up the commonality

So, I can understand how other countries might feel a kinship. And if they did, we blew it by becoming worse than the worst.

Btw, thanks for the clarification. :hi:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Well, it's hard to dispute truth

Pat is no friend of the neocons, so he isn't afraid of the truth.

[global1]

8. Kudo's To Pat Buchanan - He's Hit The Nail On The Head.......

if the Repugs throw Paul out of their debates - maybe the Dems should invite him to participate in theirs.

[malaise]

10. Wow!!

I have always liked Paul's stand on US foreign policy.

[TwilightGardener]

16. Aside from the war, his foreign policy sucks--unless you are against

the UN, and are very isolationist, and don't want to engage with the world.

[iverglas]

17. the enemy of your enemy ...

Wish people would remember that, eh? And stopped clocks, and blind pigs ...

The same conclusion can sometimes be reached by different routes. The devil is in the directions.

[LeftishBrit]

22. Deleted most of post, because I'd misread these posts as referring to Buchanan rather than Paul

Buchanan is disgusting, and some of his crap has been tossed in my backyard (extreme hostility to Europe; sympathy for LePen) so I feel quite strongly about him. I know less about Paul, though what I do know about him isn't very attractive; e.g. he's anti-choice and against ALL taxes.

I agree with those who say here that the enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend. And though any politician who still supports the war at this stage is crap, not everyone who opposes it is a nice bloke. (E.g. Putin!)

[TwilightGardener]

31. Well said--Buchanan and Paul are not our friends just because they

are against the war--they are isolationist and xenophobic (at least Pat is), and that probably influences their attitude toward the war, but they just happen to be right on this one. It's a stupid leap of logic to make, to think that they are somehow "kindred spirits" with progressives.

[Downtown Hound]

11. What crazy times we live in

that I should find myself cheering a homophobic, neo-nazi like Buchanan. I never thought I would see the day that happened. But then again, I never thought I'd see the day that a lot of things that have happened under Bush have happened.

Anyway, to give credit where credit is due, good on you Pat. But you're still an asshole.

[loudsue]

14. I wish we had a "Pat Buchannan" to tell America that what Kucinich & Gravel said

in the Dem debate were the only two up there telling the TRUTH. But there ARE NO Dem pundits with that much "face time" who ALSO support the truths Kucinich & Gravel were telling about the other Dem candidates.

I'm so tired of listening to the "pre-packaged", "processed" pablum that the other candidates are spewing. America is HUNGRY for truth-tellers, and we all KNOW that the "mainline" candidates are just telling the same ole lies with a little bit of Dem or Repuke corporate spin on it.

We need statesmen, not monkeymen pulling the same ole tricks.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Robson]

15. BINGO - The timer for truth tellers not spin doctors is now

I'm ready to vote for any politician that speaks what I perceive to be the truth and not some predetermined, pre ordained party line pablum. I'm so disgusted with politicians (and we are overloaded with them) that say only what they think we should hear or what the powerful institutions think should be implemented.

I'm ready for a politician such Mike Gravel who has fought for democracy for the people. http://ni4d.us/

[blm]

23. With both GOP and Dems on same page, now would be great time to push for

Truth and Reconciliation hearings for this country.

Instead of constantly being divided over separate beliefs, the books should be opened so ALL its citizens can begin to form conclusions that are informed by the actual facts in our nation's historic record of our time involved in that region of the world that is the cause of so much chaos, death and dispute these last 50 years.

[Mark Twain Girl]

37. Good point, good post. n/t

[JackBeck]

18. Ouch. The only thing Ron Paul left out

Was talking about the Prince Sultan airbase in Saudi Arabia. And that Shrub quietly closed it after 9/11.

[Bake]

19. Don't Repubs generally find the trtuh intolerable?

I mean, really now.

Bake

[steel71]

26. People are still playing the Dems vs Rep game

Will the people ever wake up and realize both these parties suck. I learned something very interesting about 6 months ago. The Republican party funded a Democrat to run against Ron Paul's Congressional seat. Both parties are just hybrids of each other, they play the liberal vs conservative game which makes people think that we have a Democracy. We don't people, we haven't for a long time. This country started to go down hill after JFK was assassinated. Check out Google video for JFK's "secret society speech", then you will realize the situation we are in.

[Bake]

32. If I thought you were correct, I wouldn't be here.

And I can't help wondering why you are. Here, that is. On DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Bake

[sproutster]

41. Seriously wth? IMO it's beyond partyline at this point.

We have a king sitting in office, and congress appears to be having investigations that lead to NOTHING. They allow the king to do as he pleases.

The constitution is shredded.

[sproutster]

40. Thank you - those are my feelings as well. I'm supporting both gravel and paul n/t

[sellitman]

43. Why are you here then?

Just wondering?

[LeftishBrit]

21. Buchanan was right on Iraq, but he's still vile.

My first encounter with his views was when he came across as worryingly sympathetic toward LePen

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2002/04/24/the_earthquake_in_france


and he has made a lot of comments that come across as seriously sexist and racist on other occasions.

I would hope that the Iraq war disaster does not lead to a rise in support for Buchanan, just because he was right on this one issue.

But it's good if this all means that the Republicans are turning on each other and forming a 'circular firing squad'. I imagine this can only be good news for the Dems.

[Hissyspit]

42. Anyone know if he's apologized for calling the Dixie Chicks "bimbos"? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

24. All truths are intolerable to republicans.

[FatDave]

25. I've been saying this for well over a year now, but I'll say it again.

How scary is it when Pat Buchanan is the voice of reason in the republican party? Can you imagine? I just wish we could go back to the days of Pat Buchanan republicans. Man alive...

[H2O Man]

27. Although he has

not been a member of the republican party for many years, Patrick Buchanan does seem like one of the voices of reason within the conservative right wing of American politics .... at least some of the times when he discusses foreign affairs. Of course, once he states talking about domestic policy, he seems pretty out of touch with reality.

[FatDave]

29. I remember him in the 80's

I know better than to trust my memory completely, but it seems like he ran in nearly every election in the 80's and some in the 90's. And he was a joke. He was a looney. Didn't he say Hitler got a bad rap one time? He was waaaaaay too right wing, even for the republicans of the time. And that's what I find so remarkable. Today, by comparison, he's rational, and we'd be better off if his type was the status quo in the republican party.

And on a related note, we now pine for the good old days of Attorney General Ashcroft.

[Frank Cannon]

36. I never thought I'd wish Richard M. Nixon back again

But as much of a crook as Nixon was, I don't think that he perceived his primary mission in the Presidency as completely destroying this country for the benefit of multinational corporations. That's pretty much what we're dealing with now.

We're certainly living in some strange times, when Pat Buchanan appears as a voice of reason.

[chaska]

28. They damn near crucified Ward Churchill for saying the same.

[dogday]

30. They don't want to believe it in SC

God and Country terrority.... enuff said.....

[Bullet1987]

34. Paul is NOT an isolationist!!!

This is a lie spewed by the media. He agrees with having foreign engagements...just not ones that deal with war. A la Vietnam, Iraq, Desert Storm, etc. That's not being isolationist...that's being smart!!

[dogday]

35. I was talking about the audience in SC

what are you talking about? No clue :shrug:

[watrwefitinfor]

39. Well, actually, dogday,

"They" were only 2000 or so rich white republican men in SC who sat there in Columbia clapping for Ghouliani.

:hi:

You know, I saw one local newscast here in SC that showed Paul making the statement, and there was applause for him as he finished, and before Ghouliani opened his mouth. Not as loud as the Ghoul's applause, but enough so it was cut out every other time I've seen the snippet since. Watch whenever they show it on tv - they always chop it off it the instant the words are out of Paul's mouth, then cut away to the Ghoul. That's the applause that Ron Paul received that they're hiding from us.

Wat

[alphafemale]

33. I'd never heard that "rattlesnake quote" before. But it is an apt one.

Was President Hoover unpatriotic when, the day after Pearl Harbor, he wrote to friends, "You and I know that this continuous putting pins in rattlesnakes finally got this country bitten."