Global Weather Change is already here

[nadinbrzezinski]

folks, just look at the country to the south of you... three, yes read this THREE major incidents due to Global Weather Change. Katrina, SO FAR, is the only major hurricane with that level of destruction in the US. But it is coming to the States too. Will the US only WAKE THE FUCK UP when it happens in the US? Or is the kool aid so damn powerful that Jaysuzz will keep us safe, until of course it don't.

[zazen]

1. it was 98 today in Raleigh, NC, on the autumnal equinox

It's been in the 90s most of September, I believe.

I wonder how the Tea Baggers will explain these ongoing changes. Perhaps a "weather machine" created by socialist muslim Democrats?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. You forgot a few things

Socialists, Marxists, Nazi Muslim, godless democrats... just saying.

:hi:

[antigone382]

10. Don't forget the liberation theology! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Which version? Oh I forgot his preacher's version

(For the record there are several)

[antigone382]

17. The Muslim Communist Nazi Anti-Colonial Cactus version, of course!

:)

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. LOL, thanks for the laugh

I am sure we will, have to add more soon.

[oswaldactedalone]

25. That would be Muslin

if you spell like a Teabagger.

[The Straight Story]

2. The real question is - why? Is it a natural change? How old is the earth?

And how many changes has it undergone weather wise?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. We know this is related to the Industrial Revolution

don't matter how much people want to drink the kool aid.

Yes it is called science.

[The Straight Story]

9. And science also says we go through warming and cooling periods

And that, for the most part, that happens outside of what people/animals do - and science also tells us the sun will eventually die out. So our best bet is to use up all the resources we have here and expand our scientific knowledge and get off this rock.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. We know it is DIRECTLY related to the Industrial Revolution

you think it is not happening? Go spend an afternoon in Veracruz. Make sure you stay around for the NEXT hurricane too. It is coming... next week.

[The Straight Story]

14. Again, yes it is happening - how much is caused by X versus Y is in dispute

not to mention the fact that no matter what we humans do the sun will burn out, the earth is doomed. Period.

We need to focus on getting off this rock, no amount of being green is going to save the earth. Can we, and should we, do more to prolong it? Yes. But we are not the ONLY influence on it, and to think we are is human arrogance.

Real progress will come when we embrace the fact that the planet has cycles that do not care about who is on it and using that knowledge to find a way to survive them and get out of here.

We often hear how the Christians are silly for saying for 2000 years the end is near, and yet I have been hearing the same from folks since I was a kid and it has had nothing to do with the bible (In the 70's they said the Rainforests would be gone by the 90's and the world would be in a deep freeze - and they had science to back them up).

It seems every generation has it's own end of the world scenario - and they all may well be right. The only real hope is use the resources we have to build ships and move on.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. It is in dispute ONLY by those scientists

working for the Oil Industry, who get discredited over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and overover and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

Get the picture?

[Radical Activist]

21. No, it isn't in dispute.

And it isn't within the range of any normal, natural cycle. You're actually advocating that we make life uninhabitable for human life? What are you, Dr. Evil? Lex Luthor?

[Odin2005]

3. Southern Minnesota just got TEN INCHES OF RAIN in 24 hours.

They are saying it is moisture from the remnants of hurricane Karl. Insane.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Rains here are that much more intense

And the droughts as well.

In this country, developing and all, people don't hide their heads in the damn sand.

[malaise]

7. Matthew will create serious flooding problems

in Cancun and Cozumel as well as Nicaragua, Honduras and Belize

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. All they need right now

oy...

Americans, unfortunately, need a one, two, three punch to get it...MAYBE!

[TheIdiot]

13. it fucking SNOWED in Montana...

three days ago!

http://www.krtv.com/news/september-snow-surprise-in-montana/

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. As they say one effect is that weather becomes less

predictable

[PufPuf23]

19. Global climate change in the context of unprecented human

impact on ecosystems is the context.

We are already experiencing a greater rate of extreme weather events and extinctions and distruction of habitat types.

More Northern Spotted Owl habitat (tending to harsher habitat slower to recover with less $ available) has been destroyed by wildfire in northwestern California National Forests since 1990 than the 35 years of clearcuts sold to industry between 1955 and 1990.

I have native dogwoods blooming for the 2nd time this season in my yard. The crop from my fruit trees was almost totally destroyed by weather patterns this spring and summer. At this moment, my house is powered by generator as the grid is down from weather.

Better science/management of ecosystems is indicated and also a reduction in population just to avoid a horrid ride.

There was a post today about Smith and capitalism and the need for the correct regulations to provide the incentives for good.

The neo-cons and neo-liberals deny nature and lie for short term gain for cover.

[Radical Activist]

20. Nashville floods and Tennessee's Senators still oppose climate change legislation.

Diabolically stupid.

[Swamp Rat]

22. We have always had very strong tropical cyclones impacting North America

Maybe Katrina was the most costly in terms of U.S. Dollars, but it certainly was not the most destructive in terms of human casualties (and I say this as a Native New Orleanian who has survived a half-dozen killer tropical cyclones).


1775 Newfoundland Hurricane - Killed 4000 British sailors

Great Hurricane of 1780 - Deadliest Atlantic storm in recorded history - 27,500 deaths

1886 Indianola Hurricane - 400 deaths

1893 Chenier Caminada - 2000 deaths

1893 Sea Islands - 1000-2000 deaths

1900 Galveston Island - 8000 deaths

1928 Lake Okeechobee - 2500 deaths

1935 South Florida Keys - 408 deaths

1938 New England "Long Island Express" - 700 deaths

1957 Audrey - 600 deaths

1959 Mexico (Pacific) - 1800 deaths

1960 Donna - 364 deaths

1965 Betsy - 164,000 homes flooded

1969 Camille - 143 deaths - Strongest sustained landfall windspeed in world- 190 mph


Death tolls in the Pacific and Indian Oceans, due to tropical cyclones, dwarf the numbers above.


Global weather change has always been happening, and will always be happening until the Earth's magnetic core stops spinning, or the Sun switches to fusing hydrogen in a shell outside the core, and begins fusing hydrogen to helium.

What humans need to do is stop screwing up livable habitats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. They are becoming more severe and more common

that is the point.

Look at your dates and find the pattern.

[Swamp Rat]

24. Maybe more intense, but not more common

I've looked through a lot of tropical cyclone data as part of my graduate research, and that is what I found.

One thing is for certain, we've gotten much better at spotting cyclones and gotten much faster at telling folks about it. That has made a huge difference in vulnerable areas like the Northern Indian Ocean (Bay of Bengal), which has a wide, shallow shelf, and large wetland/mangrove areas. They had huge numbers of deaths (in the historical record) until recently, though i.e. Cyclone Nargis in 2008 was pretty bad, with approx. 138,000 deaths.