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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:01 PM
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One in seven Americans, doesn't begin to reflect how widespread poverty really is in this country
The Census Bureau's 43.6 Million Poor Are Just the Tip of the Iceberg
by Jon Stepanian September 25, 2010 08:40 AM (PT)
http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/the_census_bureaus_436_million_poor_are_just_the_tip_of_the_iceberg

With the recession over, the stock market towering above 10,000 and all the right wing outcry for extended tax cuts for the rich, you might assume we're well on our way to economic recovery. But that really isn't the case, is it?

When we have 43.6 million people living in poverty, the greatest number in our country's recorded history, it seems pretty hard to argue that the Great Recession is behind us. Worse still is that this number, one in seven Americans, doesn't begin to reflect how widespread poverty really is in this country. For example, the U.S. Census Bureau defined poverty for a family of four as earning less than $21,954 in 2009. If a family of four made $22,000 that year, they weren't considered poor and consequently weren't counted in that 43.6 million. Can a family of four get by on $22,000? How about $30,000? When we talk about poverty, are we fooling ourselves into believing that the real number of people living in poverty isn't much, much higher?

Generally when we think about poverty, we think about those of us who are unable to meet basic needs or those of us who are going into debt to do so. Things like food, housing, transportation, utilities, clothing and health care add up quickly. But that's not how the Census Bureau calculates poverty statistics. For it, poverty has an absolute cutoff and statistics are formulated with no regard to regional expenses, changes in food prices or even taxes. It's clearly not the most accurate system. What we need in its place is a metric to judge poverty based on the cost of necessities.

The Self-Sufficiency Standard, formulated by Dr. Diana Pearce, the director of the Center for Women's Welfare, does just this. It calculates the income a family needs to meet its bare minimum expenses without any outside assistance and it does this on a county by county, state by state basis (pdf). http://www.hwcli.com/documents/358.pdf

What this metric includes are "no frills" expenses like health care, clothing, rent and transportation. (Not included are expenses like car repairs, fast food and personal savings.) The result is a much more accurate measure of the minimum income needed for individuals and families to just get by.

Currently, the Self-Sufficiency Standard has been calculated for 37 states and the District of Columbia. It shows a steep difference between the actual cost of affording basic necessities and the federal poverty line. (Find the Self-Sufficiency Standard for your state at http://www.selfsufficiencystandard.org/pubs.html )

For example, according to the Self-Sufficiency Standard the average single adult living in Brooklyn needs to have an annual income of at least $28,367 (pdf) to pay for his or her basic necessities. http://www.selfsufficiencystandard.org/docs/New%20York%20State%202010.pdf In contrast, the federal poverty threshold (pdf) for the same individual is $10,830, a disparity of 262 percent. http://www.coverageforall.org/pdf/FHCE_FedPovertyLevel.pdf

More staggering still is the gap in other areas of the country, like my home county of Suffolk, New York. In pricey Suffolk, the Self-Sufficiency Standard for a family of four is $86,245 — a whopping 391 percent greater than the federal poverty threshold.

The Self-Sufficiency Standard (like the forthcoming non-binding federal supplemental poverty measure) is a fairly new way of looking at poverty. Its adaptation is not universal, hence the fact that it's only been calculated in 37 states.

Nonetheless, the fact remains that the vast amount of data already collected points to a much greater number of real poor and struggling in this country; perhaps a much greater number than we're willing to admit to ourselves.

When I spoke with Dr. Pearce about this subject, she made some alarming points. For example, three in 10 California households (pdf) http://www.selfsufficiencystandard.org/docs/CA%20Overlooked%20%20Undercounted%202009.pdf and one in three Mississippi households (pdf) http://www.mepconline.org/images/admin/spotedit/attach/0/Executive_Summary_Overlooked_and_Undercounted.pdffall below the Self-Sufficiency Standard.

These numbers indicate families sacrificing necessities like food, home heating, medical care and even shelter to pay other bills. To try and get a sense of what this all meant nationally, I asked Dr. Pearce what portion of Americans she thought were below the Self-Sufficiency Standard. Her response: one in four.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:20 PM
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1. but you can't count the people with a tv. i know there were other things
that make you not poor also.

personally, we feel we are well off even though my husband makes $40k a year. we are just under the cap to get reduced lunches and heap and state health insurance. but compared to where we were before, we feel like we are living ok.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:21 PM
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6. What?
If you own a TV you can't be poor? Sounds like it is right out of the Heritage Foundation's playbook.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:48 PM
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15. can't remember who it was, but someone was saying how great the poor have it nowadays.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:11 PM
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19. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume said someone is a blinkered idiot. (nt)
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1955doubledie Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:18 PM
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29. Not necessarily an idiot
Just someone with an agenda...one with which to gain lots of money from.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:56 PM
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32. Idiots can have agendas. (nt)
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 06:35 AM
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33. i found it. rand paul
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 05:21 PM
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10. i'll have to tell the people in the homeless shelter that. a number own tv's.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 05:21 PM by Hannah Bell
they just have nowhere to plug them in except the homeless shelter.

probably if they'd sold their lousy tvs that would have made the difference between homelessness & a fabulous middle class lifestyle.
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billlll Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:01 PM
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13. TV?? INCOME measures poverty, not some foolish person's bad spending plan
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 06:11 PM by billlll
A TV indicates foolishness, not wealth.
May even indicate a type of addiction akin to net addiction or video game addiction.

Or extreme need to escape the BRUTAL reality of GOP-caused hmlessness..caused when RR slashed Section 8 aid by a third in the early '80's.

Or mental illness...GOP has cut funds for that

93 percent

Since '80

See Pete Early book "Crazy...."

As usual, GOP causes the problems we face.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:49 PM
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16. or that someone spends a lot of time at home because they can't afford to go anywhere.
nevermind that it might be an old tv. well, except that now you need that digital box for those old tvs to work. i wish these assholes had to live life as a poor person for a month. just a damned month.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:59 PM
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17. So...poor people shouldn't watch TV?
Does that mean only the middle class and upward are entitled to watch a little TV, or what? TVs are commonly given as hand-me-downs, or bought for a few bucks at the second hand store, you know.

And here I thought I was a grinch for thinking poor people shouldn't buy lottery tickets.

Other than that, I see your point, sort of.
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billlll Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 06:54 PM
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44. I was misunderstood.
Did not intend to say poor can't watch Tv.

Had not heard of gifted TVs.

I am on the side of the poor.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:59 PM
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48. That's okay. It's easy to misunderstand one another on internet message boards.
:hi:
Hand-me-down TVs can be pretty sweet! I'm poverty level too, right now, but have a few friends/family who can afford to upgrade their TVs. However, I have a feeling that is going to be less common as the recession continues.
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1955doubledie Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:25 PM
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30. Bad choices, poor people! Bad! Bad!
:spank:

Instead of buying that $45 Emerson 9" portable, you could have been saving up for a 3-bedroom bi-level in the suburbs. Yes, sir!
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j420norcal Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:07 PM
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21. Really? I own 2 TVs...
Thats right, I said TWO.

Bow down before your new elitist Master.

<dripping blood sarcasm gif thingy>
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:01 PM
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45. you must feel very wealthy!! we have two also. i know we feel like
we won the lottery!!
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j420norcal Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:06 PM
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47. Well then I'll see you for drinks at the Yacht Club later N/T
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:59 PM
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26. No, having or not having a TV is not a measure of poverty
Neither is having cable. Our local cable company gives free services for low income people, and free digital boxes too. You have to fill out paperwork to show that you're on some kind of assistance, but they feel that everyone should be allowed to have basic cable to get their news and important information.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:02 PM
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46. someone's gonna complain about that. i have heard family members of mine
bitching about the cell phone program... safelink? uggh!!
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:40 PM
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2. And who will talk about this? Nobody ....GRRRRR!
...I read this last week and sent some links. This is a big deal and yet it is being ignored in the lamestream media of course. As someone working on poverty issues for many years, it is sad because blaming the poor is a "reason" to look the other way from the truth.

That is why we need to keep raising our voices and telling it like it is.

Cat
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:24 PM
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7. Not only the MSM...
even on the internet you have to search through some obscure websites to find this information.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:45 PM
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3. K&R.

Some "recovery".
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:12 PM
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28. Maybe it's the new normal.
:shrug:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:01 PM
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4. Thanks Dajoki
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 04:04 PM by maryf
One in four below self-sufficiency, how many are barely making it above that?

This is egregiously disgusting, the distribution of wealth has to be rectified. basic human needs should be provided to all without question. From each according to his ability. To each according to his need...
K&R
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Panaconda Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:14 PM
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5. K&R n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:28 PM
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8. Ya know what so many of these folks say?

"It's got to get better."

It breaks my heart but I gotta tell them, "No, it ain't."

Eliminate hope and action is possible.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 05:11 PM
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9. I used to be one of those people...
but I have finally come to the realization that its not happening.
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billlll Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 05:49 PM
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12. dollar-a-day wage is the goal worldwide
Mexico is the GOP idea of Utopia.

Finland is my goal... #1 in Quality of Life ratings.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:40 PM
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20. It's NEVER going to "get better" for poor folk, because we don't have the supporters.
We are forgotten, we are ignored, but all the lovely PROGReSSIVES.

:puke: :nuke:
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 06:51 AM
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34. It's never gonna get better...

if we continue to expect those who pose as our representatives and leaders to put our needs above those who reward them. We, the working class(including those of us who cannot work), are on our own and must stop asking and start demanding redress. Among us, those who are most able must take the lead, "From each, according to their ability....".
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:06 AM
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50. *I* am not one of those "we".
I started demanding a long time ago, and don't even have support from *my* "base".

Fuck it.

I see none of you "taking the lead" on homelessness.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:55 PM
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38. I hate to say it but...
I have come to a point in my personal life that I feel their is no hope.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:08 AM
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51. I realized a long time ago there is no "hope", and I didn't buy that in '08.
However, dajoki, I refuse to go down without a fight.

I'm fighting mad, and will raise all the hell I can with my dying breath.

I hope you decide to join in that.

Just letting them walk over you doesn't help you, us or the ones to come.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:21 PM
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53. It's never gonna get better because the poor cannot buy politicians
like the rich can.

It never was an even playing field from the very beginning.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 05:43 PM
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11. Recommended. nt
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:24 PM
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14. Recommend. This makes much more sense than setting
some arbitrary income number to be used for every area of the US. Reminds me of the unemployment numbers and how skewed they are. Or taking the defense budget out of the budget. And of course, the skewing is always to make things look better.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:01 PM
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18. This is very, very, important stuff.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 07:08 PM by BreweryYardRat
I've got one minor quibble about their methodology -- they need to include car repairs. Public transportation is SHIT everywhere in this country, aside from major, major cities. When the bus only comes once an hour, missing it can get you fired or get your (meager) pay docked, and the stops aren't always convenient.

Want to bike to work? Unless you're working night shift or your office has shower facilities, that's not an option in many parts of the country during most of the year, because you will arrive soaked with sweat.

Cars are essential to having/keeping a job in this country, so you've got to keep yours working.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:09 PM
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22. K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:17 PM
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23. Repugs screwed up the statistics on inflation/poverty ... and Dems show no signs of fixing it--!!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 02:34 PM
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40. It has been broken...
for a long time and NOBODY is even attempting to fix it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 03:03 PM
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41. As long as Congress has its automatic pay raises, COLA's, benefits we pay for ... they're all set!!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:20 PM
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24. k & r
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:49 PM
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25. K & R nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:08 PM
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27. K&R THIS NEEDS MORE EXPOSURE!!!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:36 PM
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31. Amen
Not to mention that fact that in San Francisco, the cost of living might be $55K, so people living below that are poor, while in Redding the cost of living might be $25K, so people below that are poor, BUT THERE ARE TRULY POOR PEOPLE IN BOTH PLACES, even though incomes and standards of living might be different.

A dude living with 5 roommates in a 3 bedroom flat and working at a restaurant making generous tips in San Francisco might be poor, while a person living with a spouse and three kids in a singlewide and working at Target in Redding might be poor.

I bet the real poverty level in California is close to 20 percent. But it's not evenly distributed, and it's not measured in ways that make it easy for the government to measure.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:37 AM
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36. No. its not easy...
but they have to do a better job of it than they are now.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 09:15 AM
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35. So the US has surpassed the
Third World...we are now the Fourth World where no one can escape poverty. At least in countries like those in Central America's 3rd World, roughly 45% of the population controls most of the wealth. Here the top 10% controls 90% of the wealth.

We are the new 4th World...stretching the boundaries of hideous wealth to the maximum allowed by human nature.

Pitchforks for All!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:08 AM
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37. The poor folks should stop whining.
:sarcasm:



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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:57 PM
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39. +1 nt
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 03:42 PM
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42. I don't buy this theme that "we are all poor"
or that so many people are barely getting by.

According to that site, the self-sufficiency standard for a single person in Scottsbluff, Bebraska (as close as I could get to where I live) was $12,000 in 2002. According to the inflation calculator, that is $14, 361 in 2008. Curiously enough, I officially made $11,968 in 2008. Hard to tell though because I also made payments for health insurance that were not taxable, so I really made about $17,000 and paid $3,000 for health care and $1,000 for my retirement, but the $4,000 are not included on my taxable income. I also made a $920 donation to my IRA to knock my taxes from $283 down to zero plus a $69 Earned Income Credit. This year I may go with a Roth because I don't think I need the deduction on line 33.

Anyway, I seem to be around the self-sufficiency income and I find lots of room for luxuries. Always have.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 03:59 PM
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43. Good for you...
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 04:05 PM by dajoki
But do you pay a mortgage, Dr. bills, prescriptions, etc.?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 05:17 AM
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49. Then there are those who are not poor
but lost the better part of their retirement savings.

The "not poor yet".
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:13 PM
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52. kickety n/t
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