So now we have Biden and Obama in a one two punch on Dem base

[quinnox]

Oh Jesus Christ. I thought these guys would be above this kind of nonsense. This makes both of them look bad, like little bullies wondering why no one appreciates them. Sorry, but you can't bully people into liking you, and the President and Joe Biden ought to know that by now!

This is what is inexcusable - what Biden said - and he should apologize to the Democratic base.

Obama and Biden are lowering themselves in these attacks on the Dem base and it makes all Dems look bad!

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[Catherina]

2. As long as they listen to their sycophants, this will go on. And then come election day

they'll blame it on everything but the truth that they REFUSE to heed.

[cliffordu]

9. Your warning is infantile and wrong

If the result is poor it's due to the crybabies and snivelers who serve their own immediate interest and nothing else.

[Catherina]

18. Cry me a river on election day when you wring your hands over where everyone went. n/t

[cliffordu]

19. DOES THIS MEAN YOU'RE LEAVING???

:bounce:

[EFerrari]

20. Your GOTV work started early this morning.

[Catherina]

26. No Clifford, You've been wishing for that ever since I, a once ardent supporter, realized

how we were being betrayed back in the pre-election days of Obama's FISA vote but go ahead, jump up and down, I'm not leaving and even when you do manage to convince the Admin that I'm a bad, bad Dem, you'll still have to deal with the disappointment of millions like me come election day.

Keep burying your head in the sand. Obama is burying his presidency by relying on smiley bouncers.

[cliffordu]

29. Oddly enough, I have never reported you or mentioned your name to

the Admins here or anywhere else.

Mom always said not to sweat the small stuff, so, I don't.

But your fear of that is refreshing.

[BuelahWitch]

38. Sorry my bad

edited because I missed the word "Admin"

[Nite Owl]

13. +++1

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. ---2

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. +++3

[tridim]

3. I'm the Democratic base, and he doesn't have to apoligize to me.

[cliffordu]

11. Word.

[Andy823]

22. I am with you!

No apology needed! We "DO" need to get off our butts and vote, not sit around complaining and threatening to stay home and not vote! This is the republican plan folks, get the democrats to stay home! We can complain all we want, no problem there, but when push comes to shove we have to decide on who is going to do the "BEST" job, not a perfect job, of working for the people, and trust me that isn't the republicans!

I am not happy with a lot of things, and I think the democrats should have had a vote on the Bush tax cuts before the election, but I don't plan on NOT voting just because they did something I think was stupid! Sure I think a lot of things need to be done, but I also realize that we have a chance to get more done with democrats in charge than with republicans in charge. If we don't like the way congress has voted on things, then during the primaries we have to put them out of work and put in a new face, but now is not the time to let the Bush years come back. If you think things are bad now, wait till the republicans get in charge again and then see what BAD really is!

There is just to damn much negativity going on around here. I know some of it comes from right wing trolls, but some of it comes from democrats who have lose site of the fact we can't go back to the Bush years, no matter how ticked off you might be at congress or the president. Bush had 8 years to screw things up, give the democrats and Obama at least the same amount of time to fix the mess!

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. Thank You. Base Here. Today and Forever.

:dem:

[treestar]

55. +1000

[emulatorloo]

4. "Obama's overall approval rating from Democrats is 87%"

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1896

[MineralMan]

53. Now, that's the base.

Not those who are trashing him daily, no matter what he does. After the Warren appointment, it was very, very clear.

[treestar]

56. Yes, and why aren't they celebrating Rahm leaving?

Whenever they do get something they want, they ignore it or say it isn't good enough. How can that be "the base?"

[MineralMan]

59. Yeah, well, I've just about given up on that "base." It's too close

to the election for me to waste my time on people who will never support President Obama, no matter what he does. I'm switching into full campaign mode where I live. I'll probably still post some comments here, but my activity level is going to be a lot less until November 3. There's lots of work to be done, and lots of Democrats to help get elected.

[bahrbearian]

5. Don't forget the Rahm Crouch Kick.

[Blue Owl]

6. Not even sure what this is in reference to

What did Biden say?

[cliffordu]

7. Victim, much???

:nopity:

[ecstatic]

8. this thread sounds like whining... just my opinion nt

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. You whine about bullies, but you're attacking other people.

Project much?

[ecstatic]

17. no, the 12 year old whines when told the truth... the adult takes

any comment with a grain of salt and moves on. How many threads are you people going to post about how hurt your feelings are because Biden told the truth?

[SidDithers]

14. Dem base?...

I do not think it means what you think it means.



Sid

[cliffordu]

15. well..

:rofl:

[SargeUNN]

16. why don't you get it right please

I heard the interview Lawerence did and heard what Biden said about it. Frankly, he was talking to the ones who want to just gripe and claim they won't vote. He was right that those people need to quit their griping and get into the game. I am a lefty and I am not offended because I am out here fighting to expose the plight of the Banished Veterans, of the need for more attention to the Veterans and the Poor. How we are letting seniors and the homeless get into a worse situation and yet we have too many sitting on the rear ends just griping. How the hell do you change things just sitting back and refusing to do what needs to be done. I have no sympathy for these people and frankly feel they are as much an enemy as the Republicans.

[jaxx]

21. I'm the base.

No apologies needed.

First voted in 1968.

[phleshdef]

23. They are talking to you under the assumption that you are a grown ass adult.

But it would seem that some of us are destined to prove their assumption wrong.

[EFerrari]

24. Adults using don't order other adults around unless they're in an army

or a cult.

[phleshdef]

27. No one is being "ordered around". And apparently you've never been part of a team situation.

[EFerrari]

37. Actually, it's mostly direct orders, stop whining, wake up

and the more passive variants, "people need to".

[phleshdef]

43. If your sensibilities are so fragile that statements like that actually bother you...

...then I don't think there is much help for you. Being told to buck up and keep fighting is the last thing anyone bearing the title of progressive should be able to take and even welcome. And anyone that thinks that its not inexcusable to be apathetic to the possibilities of a takeover by this Republican party has no business calling themselves a liberal.

[EFerrari]

66. Oh, baloney. And as you know, insulting people is not actually an argument,

it's an evasion of the issue.

[phleshdef]

75. Like I said, if you actually feel insulted, then your feelings are too juvenile to reason with.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. Again, don't buy into what the M$M is try to do and that is to anger the base

and depress the vote.

Don't give in to this strategy!

[NJmaverick]

28. The Quixote Liberals are not the Dems base. Rather they are the reason the GOP wins

even though the GOP a distinct minority. The

[cliffordu]

30. Yep.

[quinnox]

31. What the? "Quixote liberals"

Is that your new slur term for left wing Democrats now? Did you get tired of professional left or somethin'?

And you can be damn sure, I am part of the Democratic base. I have been a liberal Democrat all my damn life, and I'm sick of you guys saying I am not part of the base.

You can be damn sure I AM PART OF THE FREAKIN DEM BASE.

[NJmaverick]

32. quixote liberals

Anyone familiar with the story of Don Quixote knows it's a tale of a sad man living a sad life who escapes it all by entering a fantasy world of knight, chivalry and monsters. While he is engaging in these flights of fancy he creates no end of havoc. Worse, no amount of fact or reality can shake him from his delusions. When he tilts at windmills, he believes to be giants, he smacks head first into the unyielding windmill. Instead of being shaken to his senses he immediately declares that a wizard had turned the giants into windmills and vows his revenge. He also has this strong sense of honor that he is constantly attacking others to defend as he hears almost every other word as an personal affront to his honor in some way.

I think that describes those that are supposedly on the left who constantly try to take down the Democrats and the President. They are not happy with the less than perfect real world where politicians have to play politics and compromise and few bills are rarely perfect. Instead of facing the harsh realities of the word and helping make it a better place, they escape into a fantasy world where they are noble knights fighting the evil monsters of corporatism and defending their honor from the imaginary slights of the Obama administration and others.

Like Don Quixote though they are immune to the realities of the real world. The refuse to accept any facts or observations that don't fit into their fantasy world. When the President and Congress create a historic list of impressive progressive accomplishments, they dismiss them as being imperfect or they ignore them and focus only on what hasn't been done yet. Their belief that the President would fail to turn around the economy only made them insist there would be a double dip. Sadly as you can see it's nearly impossible to reason with them and while they enjoy their pleasurable fantasy world of being the noble knights righting all the world's wrongs, they create untold havoc on the real world. The right has certainly noticed it and has no doubt put posers into the cyber world to only encourage their delusions.

[CBR]

33. +1000!! nt

[quinnox]

36. Wow, ok, you certainly have a unique take and wrote

almost a novel in itself describing your new term. Well, hell, thats fine, I can respect that. You aren't like some of those other guys who are annoying as heck, at least you can explain yourself well.

[DevonRex]

51. + a brazillion.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Quixote liberals... Rand Paul democrats...

D.A.R.s...

[cliffordu]

35. The tree sap brigade.....

[BuelahWitch]

39. Must be from Rahm's new talking points n/t

[NJmaverick]

46. why?

[cliffordu]

48. 'Cause it's the most insulting thing that one could come up with.

Which is so overused that it has become just fucking lazy.

[NJmaverick]

50. I don't know having people think my original ideas are on par with professionals

at the highest level of government is more of a compliment than an insult. I just wondered what she criteria she used to make her comments.

[cliffordu]

52. Hmm.....I never looked at it like that.......

You're right. could be a compliment.....

[Gormy Cuss]

57. Who are the "Quixote Liberals?"

I'm not asking about your definition, I'm asking for names.

Name one.

[cliffordu]

65. Call outs are a no-no.....

[Gormy Cuss]

70. The poster answered my question in another thread by naming a progressive, a former conservative who

runs a progressive site, and a muckraking journalist who doesn't self-define as liberal, and two of the three most certainly aren't tilting at windmills, liberal or no.

I'm still waiting for some actual liberal names who fit the bill.

[cliffordu]

71. I'm talking about people here at DU - no call outs of them...

[Gormy Cuss]

73. I know that's what you meant

but people who aren't on DU are fair game.

[cliffordu]

74. Absolutely.

[Hekate]

40. Joe Biden and Barack Obama are that rarest of political animals: Truth Tellers.

You want pandering? Join the GOP. It's their specialty.

Hekate

[quinnox]

42. No, you join the GOP

I just want these guys, who are supposed to be the creme of the Dem party, to stop participating in sniping contests with people who are supporting them!

This makes the Dem party look like a bunch of bozos to the rest of the country.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

47. "This makes the Dem party look like a bunch of bozos to the rest of the country"

We will anyway if a bunch of people not showing up allow wingnuts like Rand Paul and Sharon Angle to be swept into office.

[MineralMan]

54. I'm not seeing that support...nope...can you give me an example?

Where I'm seeing the support is among the DFL folks here in Minnesota who are out knocking on doors, trying to get everyone to the polls to vote for Democratic candidates. That's where I'm seeing the support.

[Whisp]

61. they aren't sniping at the people that are supporting them

why would they?
I and many others on this thread support Obama and his team. Not one of us has taken offense that Biden was calling us some names, he was calling the slack assed whiners names, which they deserve.

wtf is it with reading comprehension these days?

[cliffordu]

44. Bada Bing!!!!

nice shot.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

76. LOL

[JNelson6563]

49. lolz

the real base is too busy working the trenches to take notice or offense at Biden's latest remarks. It seems those who sit on their ass pounding out anti-Dem screeds, declaring themselves the Dem base who are taking the offense as well they should. Such remarks are meant for their ilk.

Julie--headin' back to the trenches

[smalll]

58. Just generally, once you stop trying to wow the audience with stuff like Yes, We Can,

We Are The Ones We've Been Waiting For, Hope and Change, (or ".... the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.")

--- When you stop trying to wow the audience, but instead get petulant over their silence, and forlornly start muttering, "Tough crowd; tough crowd -- can I get a little applause here?"

--- you have LOST.

I've never said this, it's a dreadfully annoying cliche, but here goes --

Epic. Fail.

[cliffordu]

64. You sound like someone who got fucked again by santa claus....

[Arkana]

60. I'm a member of the Democratic base, and frankly, there are some of us

that could use some tough love.

[lamp_shade]

62. Oh.... cry me a river.

[KittyWampus]

67. Enjoy playing the victim. It's totally boring for the rest of us.

[butterfly77]

68. Bushit!!

[backscatter712]

69. Let me quote Lee Atwater...

Y'all a pussy!

[cliffordu]

72. Well..

:popcorn: