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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:35 AM Original message |
Inflexibility and denial |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. Obama was not my first choice in the primaries. But when Edwards dropped out, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. It really depends on your view on the structural impediments to change, historically and currently. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I could mount an argument, a convincing one I think, that Bush enacted radical change. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Well that would be in the executive sphere, where the President DOES have somewhat unilateral |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. But....it took a catastrophic event (911) to enable the radical change |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. As catastrophic as the deliberate collapse of the economy? n/t |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. +100000 |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
42. Good post...nt |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:22 AM Response to Original message |
3. Never liked the phrase 'in denial' |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'll have to decide once I hear an actual argument from the "other" side. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I agree about waiting to hear an actual argument from the "other" side |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Can you "hear" yourself? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Of course in your mind, I run into closed doors, and people turn and walk away from me. |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
38. I can hear him/her....however |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. Do you want to start with the Health Insurance Industry Profit Protection Act? |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. This is what I understand... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Momentum alone did not lead to an increase in drone attacks in Pakistan. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. While of course people who disagree with the war have a legitimate beef with Obama |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I'm sure that if you look honestly enough at every presidency... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Wars to me are not really an issue that fits into the category of... |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I've been reading Chomsky for the past 20 years... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Anyway you slice it, if there was ever going to be a turning point, it was 2008. |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I'm sorry, it's ALWAYS been the old Olds |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Just keep in mind that it wasn't nearly as much of a victory as FDR and LBJ had. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I think we were confused by.. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. That hits the nail on the head, yup. nt |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. +1 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
13. I'm known as a critic but not as well known is that I was an Obama delegate. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No one is saying a delegate can't be a critic. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Did I say that? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. "Much of the problem lies with the current condition of the party. " |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Yes. Powerful people in the party have worked to scrap |
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Panaconda (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm inflexible on this... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Even while seeking to gut Medicare and reduce SS benefits. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Me too. It's my first and biggest item. n/t |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
19. My complaint is not issure-oriented, but structural |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The funny thing is, while Obama explicitly ran on bipartisanship in the primary, he has NOT |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. Just because the Repukes didn't vote with him doesn't mean |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I don't think we will get any of them as President. They are Straw People. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Ah, I miss the old DU... |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
26. I do not think it is a clear choice between issues and party. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
32. On some issues, I AM inflexible. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. ... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. AMEN! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Totally! n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. This goes into my Bookmarks and the "Fridge Door"...(a place of honor in our house) |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
33. There are times to criticize and times support the party. Yes, i consider myself flexible. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
34. Party and Administration are secondary |
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Panaconda (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
44. Bumping |
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