Hagel

[murielm99]

I am trying to figure out why republican scum has to speak at my son's graduation.

He is graduating from North Central College in Naperville, Illinois.

Du Page County has been repuke for a long time, but things are changing there.

Why does an aspiring repuke Presidential candidate get to speak at a graduation in Obama country? I am so pissed.

[XNASA]

1. From the NCC Site

http://www.noctrl.edu/x22772.xml

---Hagel is one of the nation’s most influential lawmakers and is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations, Intelligence and Rules, and Housing and Urban Affairs committees. The New York Times Magazine calls the senior senator from Nebraska a true “internationalist, someone who’s capable of feeling intensely about alliances, multilateral endeavors, the value of global institutions.” He is considered a possible candidate for President in 2008.

In recent months, the Republican has been vocal in his growing criticism of the War in Iraq. He served in the U.S. Army (9th Infantry Division) during the Vietnam War and was awarded two Purple Hearts. ---

The nerve of him showing up and spewing his RW propaganda at young impressionable minds in DuPage County. On second thought, I guess he was probably invited to speak.

[rasputin1952]

2. Hagel is moving to a more central position...now that the D's

are in charge, Hagel can actually do what he wants to. This is not to say he's not a dyed in the silk R, but he can get his feathers ruffled and call it like he sees it when he's not going to be beaten to death by an R majority.

Hagel is not stupid, and for sure, I have some serious problems w/past votes, but he does have some power, and if he comes to the D side of issues, I'm not going to complain. Let the talking heads like Limbaugh and Hannity bash him, as long as he is in the D voting block against the war, I'm OK w/him...:)

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. Although I do not agree with all of his politics

Hagel has shown morals more than any other republican I can think of. He knew he would not be popular within the radical-right-wing, and likely vilified by Bush and Co, and yet he stood for what he believed in.

The idea of an us-and-them dichotomy is harmful. There are some who are so radical they should not be in office and some who are so worried about their own personal power that they regurgitate the talking points and agree with everything Bush and Co. does--no matter how illegal. Hagel is neither one of those.

[murielm99]

4. Hagel was the CEO of ES&S.

He won an election in which he was expected to make a poor showing. I have always had my doubts about that, given his connection to ES&S.

I think he is worried about his own power. He wants to be President. He has past votes that are questionable. He has only started to stand up to his own party recently.

If we were not already in an electoral season, and if Hagel was not seeking the Presidency, I might be taking this better. I think they should have sought a non-political speaker.

[TwilightGardener]

7. Hagel's been giving his party, and Chimpy, grief for years--it's not a recent thing

for him--that's why they love him so much, LOL! He's put country ahead of party many times. I don't want him to be president, but I do like and respect him.

[murielm99]

5. Who started the us-and-them dichotomy?

The republicans did, when they took Congress in 1994, and Newt banned all fraternization across the aisle.

Now they are screaming for a bipartisanship that they do not deserve, and obstructing any legislation that they can.

As far as I am concerned, the current crop of republicans has proven themselves to be the enemy of the Constitution and our way of life. They have looted the treasury and destroyed the middle class. Until they are a very distinct minority, and we have time to clean up the mess they have made, I will give them no respect, moderate or not.

At the county level, I sometimes have to compromise with republicans. I will do so on a very narrow basis, if we want the same person to be the chairman of the county board, or a zoning regulation passed. But that is all.

Hagel hasn't proven anything to me. He will vote with his party when it is in his interests, and against them when he can get what he wants.

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. I agree--the republicans started dehumanizing us and anything "liberal"

And I detest those who did that. But, I look at Hagel, not as someone I would vote for (I have seen his record), but as someone who went beyond the rhetoric, and spoke his conscience. I hope we do not resort to us-verses-them because "they" started it. Aren't we better than that?

[EFerrari]

6. Hagel is dirty. He just comes off like a boy scout.

And this isn't about binarisms but about the man's record.

I'd organize an alternative graduation in a heartbeat.

[TwilightGardener]

8. This is crazy. Are Republicans not allowed to speak at commencements,

like Obama and Edwards have recently? And if a Republican was chosen to speak, why on earth would anyone object to Hagel, of all the GOPers? Yes, he has a conservative voting record--does this mean he's not worthy to address the youth of America? How odd and disturbing this post is. He is a decent man, with a very interesting background and many years of service to this country.

[EFerrari]

9. Yeah! A very interesting background of having every vote for him

counted by his company.

That's pretty interesting, all right.

[TwilightGardener]

10. Oh, Lordy, I'm not going to get into this again. If you feel he's in office

illegally, please write to your Senators and ask to have him investigated or removed. That would truly be a serious crime, and he should be in jail. Make it happen!

[EFerrari]

16. Have we done this already? Okay!

lol

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. "does this mean he's not worthy to address the youth of America?" YES! That's exactly what it means!

The man is in office ONLY because he stole the damn election. I don't care if you want to ignore that that fact, but it's true. He wouldn't have covered up his ES&S connections had he been on the up & up. He won when he was behind in the polls just like Chambliss did against Max Cleland. BOTH of them were put in office by the MAGIC of evoting machines.

If Hagel was speaking at my son's Graduation...we'd be staying home!:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

12. "He stole the election"--and your PROOF is...?

A good-looking conservative millionaire Reagan-appointee Republican combat vet in 1996 Nebraska, during the Contract with America era, wasn't expected to win? Maybe not at that time, but boy, has Nebraska trended red ever since! I'm pretty sure he's in office fairly, or Ben Nelson (his "victim") would have raised a stink. He never did. Because there's no proof. But believe what you want.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. PROOF from an evoting machine with no paper trail? They made damn sure there was NO PROOF to be had.

He stole the election as did Chambliss. Cleland was ahead in the polls the night before the 2002 election. Chambliss won in Districts where people would NEVER have voted for him...if he was the last politician on earth. They're thieves.

Ben Nelson would have raised a stink? Is that the same Ben Nelson who panders to all the repukes in his state by voting with the Senate repukes all the time? THAT Ben Nelson?:eyes:

Charlie Matulka, is the candidate who ran against Chuck Hagel in Nebraska’s U.S. Senate race in November 2002


SENATE CANDIDATE QUESTIONS HAGEL’S CONFLICT OF INTEREST

Charlie Matulka, the candidate who ran against Chuck Hagel in Nebraska’s U.S. Senate race in November 2002, also wrote to the Nebraska Secretary of State and to state elections officials in October 2002. He pointed out that his opponent had ties to ES&S, and asked them to look into the conflict of interest, but received no answer.

Several Nebraska ES&S machines malfunctioned on Election Day, and Matulka filed a request for a hand count on December 10, 2002. It was denied, because Nebraska has a new law that prohibits election workers from looking at the paper ballots, even in a recount. The only machines permitted to count votes in Nebraska are ES&S.<snip>

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

Hagel and Chambliss are just 2 of the slimeballs who are in office by nefarious means.:(


20 Amazing Facts About
Voting in the USA
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Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold


2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886


5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php


7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html


8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm


11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm


12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml


13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html


16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/baxterVPR.mov.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190


17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml


18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm


19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html


20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/

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DECEMBER 2004 GALLUP POLLS
1 in 5 Americans believe the elections were fraudulent.
That's over 41 Million Americans.
You are NOT alone!

http://nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html

[TwilightGardener]

15. LOL! You apparently aren't familiar with the relationship between

Hagel and Nelson--it is one of the frostiest, most famously hostile in the Senate. They didn't speak for years, and avoided each other until recently (Iraq has brought them together--sort of a truce). Believe me, if Nelson thought he had something, he would've used it. And Matulka? There was absolutely NO WAY he was going to be anywhere near competetive with Hagel in 2002--Hagel was the Golden Boy (at that time, before Iraq), and GOP incumbent of a strongly red state. He didn't have to rig anything to win--he could've won with live-boy/dead girl pictures.