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Ruffhowse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:55 PM Original message |
Here's an eye opener.....Tax rates from 1913 to 2010 |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Those numbers without the corresponding changes in tax code are rhetorical gibberish. |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. If you know how to play the tax game it's easy to not pay |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. If that's actually the case... |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I keep seeing that, but every wealthy person I know pays very little in taxes |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You can choose to believe IRS facts or hearsay. |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Lies, Damn lies and Statistics. |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. So you think both the Obama and Clinton administrations are/were in on it? |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Nope, its not that simple. |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I have |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. You seem to be basing my knowledge on one example |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You've yet to show any example of your 'knowledge' other than that. |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Never claim the 400 earner thing, just put it up as an example |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I sent you a link via e-mail |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Got it, thank you, I'll add it to the library of similar info I already have |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Here, let me simply it for you... |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. You are completely missing my point |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. It's becaue they have too much money compared to everyone else. (nt) |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. And if they aren't paying taxes as the person I was replying to claims |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. The middle class |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Do you really think the stats the IRS puts out about where |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Do you really think the stats are as straight forward as they all claim |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Please explain how you think those statistics are being manipulated |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Simple |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. You understand that the "top 5% pay 60% of all income tax" |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. While they may pay sixty percent of the taxes it is a much smaller percentage |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Source? |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Here is one, wasn't hard to find if you actually look |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Was $45 million/year what you meant by "almost nothing"... |
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thetonka (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Agreed. |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Yes, there are a lot. |
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Ruffhowse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. hmmmm.... |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. More info than you want can be found here... |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Remember prior to 1980, you had the 50% disregard for long term Capital Gains |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Now it's capped at 20% on investments held for one year.... |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Which is where the real outrage should be. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I do taxes for a living. It's ridiculous that people making 50-60k |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Are those income tables adjusted for inflation? |
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daylan b (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. If you adjusted the 1963 bracket to 2010 |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. Short Version... |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. Perfect! Thank you. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
22. It will only open eyes partway - Very few people actually made over $50,000 in 1978, for example |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. Let's bring back the 91% tax rate for all income over $400,000!!! |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Take a look at 1920 - those are exactly the rates we should have today. |
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