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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:41 PM
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Lauren Valle "was a provacateur" -- an answer to this accusation
By DirkGently...posted in another thread...needed to be its own OP. Thanks for this, DG -- amazingly awesome post!

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"Provacateur?" "Looking for trouble?" How about strapping on a gun and a sign talking about watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots?

How about accusing the President of murdering people and being a Nazi AND a communist over a healthcare bill? How about burning Congressional reps in effigy? How about shouting down rational debate about healthcare with corporate funded, organized screaming about "death panels?"

May we asume if THESE hundreds and thousands (or millions, if you watch Fox News) of organized provacateurs, rather than one 23-yr-old woman, were pinned to a curb and given a concussion-inducing stomp, that would likewise be a non-issue?

The rest of us will take that under advisement.

I'd love see anyone calling this curb stomping a "love tap" put to the Sean Hannity waterboarding test. If you think it's such a picnic, volunteer to have it done to you. Sean demurred when given the opportunity to put his body where his mouth is. I'm pretty sure the same would apply to curb stomping. Hey, a concussion is only cranial bleeding and brain damage. One by itself is only rarely fatal. What's the big, right?

Let's get something else straight: The MANUFACTURED RAGE here belongs SOLELY to the rightwingers and their ever-more-dark-and threatening rhetoric. Fake rage is their entire game, in fact. That is ALL they are selling. These are, after all, self-styled "patriots," comparing themselves to the Founding Fathers, no less, while wailing about "Marxism" and "Communism" and "Nazis" and "Death Panels," when all they're really mad about is the supposed "tyranny" of the rich paying their taxes and health insurance reform. And of course, their rather transparent pain at seeing a black man elected President in "their" country.

"Their" country. As though those that dare disagree are foreign invaders who have stolen some unnamed birthright. Their theme is "taking our country back," with an implied (and often expressed) corollary that they will do this "by any means necessary."

They BEGAN with a theme of violence and have ratcheted it up ceaselessly since Obama took office, from Glenn Beck's "special" on the coming tax-pocalypse to Sharon Angle's "Second Amendment remedies," to the gun-toting self-appointed "Constitutionalists" shadowing Obama's speeches to "We came unarmed ... this time."

If liberals or immigrants or Muslims, or any one else but the self-annointed Angry White Protestants in this country merely strapped on a gun, or merely burned a public figure in effigy, or merely urged their supporters to "buy all the ammo you can," they would have been instantly condemned as dangerous, violent radicals.

And had any other group beaten someone down in this way, the wails of rage and calls for blood from conservatives would be deafening. Remember, they're still wetting their pants over two black guys shouting slogans in a black voting district. Imagine if those guys had so much as TOUCHED some conservative "provacateur" in a teabag hat waving an "Obamunist" sign.

And speaking again of who is "provoking" WHOM, calling this young woman a provacateur in the context of these fucking gun swinging lunatics who flavor every action with a threat of armed violence is a bad joke. And calling them on their first tentantive foray into open violence now is a favor to THEM, because if someone in these organizations doesn't throw some cold water on these rightwingers sitting around rubbing their rage nuts and deciding that they're "not gonna take it anymore" because a black man is President, they're going to do something even stupider and more violent, and the non-crazy contingent of America, which is a lot larger and a lot more determined than the knuckle-draggers understand, will be obliged to extinguish their little Tea Party with a firehose.

I'd respectfully suggest that anyone thinking of ways to try to paper over this crystal clear case of the current batch of rightwing fruitloops gratifying their oft-hinted longing for mob violence keep that in mind.


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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:47 PM
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1. Great rant!
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:47 PM
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2. such diversity...
white men in their 40's, 50's AND 60's... light hair, dark hair...

t-shirts and polo's...

impressive.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:49 PM
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4. blahahaha!
omg -- so true.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 09:32 AM
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42. All the colors of the white rainbow
From pale to pasty.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:48 PM
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3. Thanks for reposting this, brook.
It's a work of art, isn't it, especially considering the context.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:49 PM
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5. indeedy doodie!
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 01:52 PM by nashville_brook
on edit -- it's worth the repost b/c it really tackles the larger issue behind the stomping, and the really dangerous emotions that are being stirred. it's big. and it's been happening since i've been involved in politics in the 80s.

there was one episode in particular, in Johnson City, TN at a Bush rally where a bunch of GOPers literally tied up a couple of Dems who'd come to hear the speech. I have the press clipping. Disgusting.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:46 PM
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13. Perfect!! nt
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:51 PM
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6. K&R.. Great one DG!
Thanks for posting Brook...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:53 PM
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7. best rant i've seen in a while!
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:56 PM
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8. K&R!
Great post!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:09 PM
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9. I LIKE it! 8)
:rofl:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:18 PM
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11. glad you didn't mind
didn't think you would -- :hug:
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 04:25 PM
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30. Back atcha.
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 04:25 PM by DirkGently
:)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 08:56 PM
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33. ping!
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:18 PM
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19. You are my new hero!
Next time I need to rant, I'm just going to pm you. You're much better at it than I am!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:34 PM
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21. Aw shucks ma'am. :) Seriously, though, defending a curb stomp with "the lib was too provocative?"
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 03:44 PM by DirkGently
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:40 PM
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23. Unbelievable, isn't it?
Makes me sick.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:44 PM
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24. From the people who brought you: "Well ... she *was* wearing a halter top ..."
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:13 PM
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10. Excellent! Thank you. k/r
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:40 PM
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12. here's another good example:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:03 PM
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16. here's another :
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:39 PM
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22. Wow. Forgot the "Browning" one. Not as "provocative" as a wig, apparently.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:59 PM
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26. not all wigs are non-violent
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 04:24 PM
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29. Guess the powdered Tea Party wigs are non-curb-stomp-able?
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 05:14 PM
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31. Holy crap. Didn't get the image the first time.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 07:42 PM
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32. pretty awesome wig!!!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:48 PM
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14. K & R nt
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:58 PM
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15. K&R
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:13 PM
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17. Well I'd like to take on some of the "OUR country" screamers
For Palin - according to the time my relatives came to America she is a Johnny come lately. both sides of my family came to this country in the very early 1700's. when you have to carve out the trees, dig up the stumps, build the boats and so on. when her relatives came in the late 1800's and early 1900's everything was already done. I bet a hell of lot of the so called patriots ancestors are also Johnny come lately. How dare they tell me they want their country back. OK go to your country overseas and see if they will let you have it back.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:22 PM
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20. I suspect the Native People of Turtle Island
would like to have their country back from all of us.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:58 PM
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25. word.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 04:11 PM
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27. I had ancestors at Jamestown,
some of whom were killed during Bacon's Rebellion. I had some who were killed in New England while settling Milford, and I had some killed on the western frontier when it was still part of Va and what is now WV.

Know what they had in common? They were all stealing land that rightfully belonged to the First Peoples.

I just don't think anyone whose ancestors immigrated here has any right to claim any moral high ground. After all, we engaged in ethnic cleansing, genocide, and slavery. It's nothing to brag about as far as I'm concerned.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 03:16 PM
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18. Don't you remember the pack of liberals who jumped on that guy, disarmed him & pinned him down?
Me neither.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 04:12 PM
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28. Bingo! n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:02 PM
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34. kicking for visibility
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:09 AM
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37. See that kick and raise ya one
Good rant.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:10 AM
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41. i happen to know he mused over this since the whole thing started...
there's certain issues that "set you off." this is one of those.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:18 PM
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35. K & R
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:58 PM
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36. Over here in the Civilized World, the general rule seems to be that
you can't have a bunch of guys hold a woman down while somebody stomps on her head -- even if you suspect she might be planning to do something to provoke you

It's not a new rule for most of us, and I'd bet most kindergarden kids know the rule. I'll try to remember to ask a few the next time I see them: Who thinks it would be OK for Joey and Billy to hold Sally down while Tony jumped up and down on her head because he was afraid she might stick out her tongue at somebody?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:16 AM
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38. Excellent!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:18 AM
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39. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 01:31 AM
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40. Oh Rock on Sister! k&r nt
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